I just became a member of the cool guys club

[zionoir626]

Glad to see someone still does their own research..Nice

Yes,It's 14 days..I mainly posted that to get people to actually look..I have always been very conservative with doses..With a new compound,start low and see what can be gained without tons of sides..Again I disagree with Monstro..When ever I topped 150mgs of Tren E or Hex,the sides just weren't worth it for me..Remember with Tren more doesn't=better..Plus 14 days is a long time to deal with un-wanted sides..and that ever elusive Sweet Spot of Test to Tren mix..

 

[MGM]

I’ve ran all 3 and hex did give me less sides personally, low mg tren is the way to go imo. You guys crack me up in here trolling lmao

 

[weazel]

Just my opinion and experience from using different esters of all sorts of compounds over the years. Id have to say the Ester difference is water weight held with different ways/times the hormones are released is what makes it "feel" different. Ive used long Ester cut blends before vs short Ester cut blends ive gotta say the short Ester made me feel leaner,harder,aggressive the long Ester made me feel bigger,fuller,more level but could be just the time it's built up/released in my system. Same with npp vs deca I hold way less bloat with npp I feel npp is superior since I take less mg,it hits quicker,less sides for me. Ive always been a short Ester guy preferably I like that "feel" same as with if you'd take tne 5x wk with some strong orals your gonna see/feel a difference vs just a reg ol testE,deca,dbol cycle just me tho.

 

[GenixCon2.0]

I’ve ran all 3 and hex did give me less sides personally, low mg tren is the way to go imo. You guys crack me up in here trolling lmao

So I had to dig around a bit in my saved notes. Tren hex has a active tren ratio of .6578 soooo. If he’s taking 100mg per week he’s only getting 65mgs of tren per week.


That’s definitely a low dose tren cycle.

I’m glad that the op is not getting any sides at that amount. If he was I would suggest Anavar @5mg/day or maybe 50mg a week of primo. If that’s to much maybe 10mg of proviron per day....

Seriously tho, tren is a compound that doesn’t have a clinical or therapeutic dose. So if the side are to much maybe stay away from it and pick a milder compound. It’s definitely not for everyone.

IMHO

 

[Skinnyguy180]

anything less than a gram of tren might as well be used as chain lube... pussies the lot of yah

 

[MustardTiger]

So I had to dig around a bit in my saved notes. Tren hex has a active tren ratio of .6578 soooo. If he’s taking 100mg per week he’s only getting 65mgs of tren per week.


That’s definitely a low dose tren cycle.

I’m glad that the op is not getting any sides at that amount. If he was I would suggest Anavar @5mg/day or maybe 50mg a week of primo. If that’s to much maybe 10mg of proviron per day....

Seriously tho, tren is a compound that doesn’t have a clinical or therapeutic dose. So if the side are to much maybe stay away from it and pick a milder compound. It’s definitely not for everyone.

IMHO

yea im on 500mg pw primo and 50mg of anavar pd with 300mg test, but its been 3 weeks now and I got the the restless sleep and a little bit of ibs the last two nights and one night at the start, that is it so far

 

[zionoir626]

For me if a low dose can yield good results..run with it..
300 of Tren anything would just kill me..I have ran a gr of Test...Once..just to see..I only ran it for a couple of wks,then backed it back down..and all I really noticed was really oily skin..

But I don't ever see myself running it again that high..too much risk at my age now..and doubting I'll ever pop that top on that bottle of Tren E...

Thinking of giving it away actually...You should know who's it is..

 

[GenixCon2.0]

yea im on 500mg pw primo and 50mg of anavar pd with 300mg test, but its been 3 weeks now and I got the the restless sleep and a little bit of ibs the last two nights and one night at the start, that is it so far

That’s a solid cycle. Is this with the low dose hex?

What are you taking as ancillaries and supplements? Supplementing cardarine and T3 while running tren does wonders for me when I run tren. I consider them staples on cycles of tren. I don’t think they will help with ibs but I don’t get a lot of the other tren sides when I run them concurrent. I also run low dose cialis but I do that for the prostrate and pumps.

In all honesty and I don’t think it’s ibs but I haven’t had a solid shit, you know like a brick, since I don’t know when. It’s the consistency of baby poo lol, always. Doesn’t bother me a bit. I almost prefer it that way.

 

[zionoir626]

That got dark...quick

 

[MustardTiger]

That’s a solid cycle. Is this with the low dose hex?

What are you taking as ancillaries and supplements? Supplementing cardarine and T3 while running tren does wonders for me when I run tren. I consider them staples on cycles of tren. I don’t think they will help with ibs but I don’t get a lot of the other tren sides when I run them concurrent. I also run low dose cialis but I do that for the prostrate and pumps.

In all honesty and I don’t think it’s ibs but I haven’t had a solid shit, you know like a brick, since I don’t know when. It’s the consistency of baby poo lol, always. Doesn’t bother me a bit. I almost prefer it that way.

Yes that is the cycle I am doing with tren hex. I am also taking caber 0.25mg twice a week cause I am prone to prolactin issues from deca/npp and even test sometimes. Yes I take cialus, that is all I am taking no AI or anything. I am not sure why I would take cardarine and t3, I am a powerlifter so what I am doing this for is strength purely, not to get lean (I am already very low bodyfat anyway), and not to really bulk cause I need to stay within my weight class but I do got a buffer to grow into right now.

For me to call it IBS probably makes it sound worse than it is, basically its like I get a sick acidic feeling in my stomach sometimes at night, that is it.

 

[weazel]

You speak of ibs symptoms let me throw some ideas out there. My dad had gastric bypass surgery done a few yrs ago they went in repiped he's insides,sowed his stomach half the size,took his pancreas out, some other over the top stuff they quit doing today's world. So he lost 100pds+ in no time but was starving all the time fixed his diabetes etc... the downside he didn't know when he was gonna fart it just leaked out as a gas I guess, you'd be rolling down the road then just mustard gas from nowhere! He ended up figuring out mths later it was the sugar in the food causing it. He has to eat a semi clean diet now with no sugar and very low sodium to keep him from leaking the gas. I know another guy who can't have any sodium at all 0 zilch fuckn tasteless blan life now.

 

[zionoir626]

I'm battling some odd stomach problems..had more test but no proper diag yet...
Have to think it's what we are eating,all the crap they are putting in the food and crops..my acid reflux is no joke..even with meds it still flares 2x a month..and it has to run it's course..I have gone to a respected specialists in Greenville..I am sure they will figure it out..but that stuff is scary..Two months age I was on the toilet for 3+ hrs.. totally covered in sweat and passed out 3 times..That ain't right..

Part of the problem was me...just writing it off...the other was shitty Dr.s in the Asheville area..So if you're in a car driving and you feel sick.. don't stop in Asheville NC..drive to Greenville..

 

[GenixCon2.0]

Yes that is the cycle I am doing with tren hex. I am also taking caber 0.25mg twice a week cause I am prone to prolactin issues from deca/npp and even test sometimes. Yes I take cialus, that is all I am taking no AI or anything. I am not sure why I would take cardarine and t3, I am a powerlifter so what I am doing this for is strength purely, not to get lean (I am already very low bodyfat anyway), and not to really bulk cause I need to stay within my weight class but I do got a buffer to grow into right now.

For me to call it IBS probably makes it sound worse than it is, basically its like I get a sick acidic feeling in my stomach sometimes at night, that is it.

Yea my bad bro. I always assume people research the compounds they are using.

Now that I know your a powerlifter I’ll try to keep it simple.

So a relationship exist between tren, your TRH levels and prolactin. TRH stimulates, by way the hypothalamus, the production or synthesis of TSH by way of pituitary. TSH (thyrotropin) in turn stimulates the production or synthesis of thyroid hormone T4 which converts to T3 (I’m leaving out T1andT2). Also we have a negative feedback loop which exist between T4 and TRH. Meaning if the body has low levels of T4 it stimulates TRH.

It already has been established that in humans TRH is also capable of stimulating the release of prolactin. In hypothyroid patients there is often an elevation of TRH and prolactin due to diminished levels of T4. Galactorrhea often presents as a symptom of hypothyroidism

The following studies are with sheep.

In sheep introduction of TrenA caused a 45% drop in T4 which as explained will cause a negative feed back loop. Which will cause a production ramp up of TRH causing a spike of prolactin. (This didn’t happen in the sheep but that’s because unlike humans, sheep production of prolactin is independent of TRH)

I can personally attest to a lowering of T4 levels and a increase of TRH in my bloodwork although I wouldn’t say 45%. As with all this stuff it’s user and dose dependent. Bloodwork is your crystal ball.

So by deduction, if tren drops T4 levels, supplement so you avoid spikes in prolactin.

If you’re worried about catabolism of T3 which I wouldn’t be if your on Gear while using... take T4.

Side note lack of overall T4/T3 levels cause side effects like hot flashes (think about night sweats) and fatigue and mood swings..... any of these sound familiar bro?!?

Let’s move on the Cardarine. Cardarine has a positive effect on cardio, blood pressure and liver function. Which I won’t go into but I’ll just let you know that all these attribute to the sides of tren.

So I understand you’re a powerlifter, but diet not drugs decide if you loose muscle mass while on gear. Nutrient partitioning will only serve you better for your goals, not worse.

Maybe with proper supplementation you can increase your dose, while lowering those dreaded tren sides.

Or just keep doing it your way with low dose tren and caber....

 

[zionoir626]

I like the way you start...Con2.0
Not one..but two kicks in the balls...sweet

 

[MustardTiger]

You speak of ibs symptoms let me throw some ideas out there. My dad had gastric bypass surgery done a few yrs ago they went in repiped he's insides,sowed his stomach half the size,took his pancreas out, some other over the top stuff they quit doing today's world. So he lost 100pds+ in no time but was starving all the time fixed his diabetes etc... the downside he didn't know when he was gonna fart it just leaked out as a gas I guess, you'd be rolling down the road then just mustard gas from nowhere! He ended up figuring out mths later it was the sugar in the food causing it. He has to eat a semi clean diet now with no sugar and very low sodium to keep him from leaking the gas. I know another guy who can't have any sodium at all 0 zilch fuckn tasteless blan life now.

well I mean the only thing I changed was adding tren so that tells me right there its probably the tren, also had this feeling before only once and it happened to be the only other time in my life that I also started taking tren, also its a common side effect from tren

 

[MustardTiger]

Yea my bad bro. I always assume people research the compounds they are using.

Now that I know your a powerlifter I’ll try to keep it simple.

So a relationship exist between tren, your TRH levels and prolactin. TRH stimulates, by way the hypothalamus, the production or synthesis of TSH by way of pituitary. TSH (thyrotropin) in turn stimulates the production or synthesis of thyroid hormone T4 which converts to T3 (I’m leaving out T1andT2). Also we have a negative feedback loop which exist between T4 and TRH. Meaning if the body has low levels of T4 it stimulates TRH.

It already has been established that in humans TRH is also capable of stimulating the release of prolactin. In hypothyroid patients there is often an elevation of TRH and prolactin due to diminished levels of T4. Galactorrhea often presents as a symptom of hypothyroidism

The following studies are with sheep.

In sheep introduction of TrenA caused a 45% drop in T4 which as explained will cause a negative feed back loop. Which will cause a production ramp up of TRH causing a spike of prolactin. (This didn’t happen in the sheep but that’s because unlike humans, sheep production of prolactin is independent of TRH)

I can personally attest to a lowering of T4 levels and a increase of TRH in my bloodwork although I wouldn’t say 45%. As with all this stuff it’s user and dose dependent. Bloodwork is your crystal ball.

So by deduction, if tren drops T4 levels, supplement so you avoid spikes in prolactin.

If you’re worried about catabolism of T3 which I wouldn’t be if your on Gear while using... take T4.

Side note lack of overall T4/T3 levels cause side effects like hot flashes (think about night sweats) and fatigue and mood swings..... any of these sound familiar bro?!?

Let’s move on the Cardarine. Cardarine has a positive effect on cardio, blood pressure and liver function. Which I won’t go into but I’ll just let you know that all these attribute to the sides of tren.

So I understand you’re a powerlifter, but diet not drugs decide if you loose muscle mass while on gear. Nutrient partitioning will only serve you better for your goals, not worse.

Maybe with proper supplementation you can increase your dose, while lowering those dreaded tren sides.

Or just keep doing it your way with low dose tren and caber....

Thanks, I thought cardarine was just used for increasing endurance and T3 was mainly used for dieting so admititly haven't looked into any of these because I didn't think they would help me. All I have heard is that they are dangerous. I will definitly test my t3 on my next blood work and see what it looks like after this cycle. So taking t3 allows you not to take caber and you tested this on bloodwork? prolactin? Do you think t3 is healthier than caber?

Side note lack of overall T4/T3 levels cause side effects like hot flashes (think about night sweats) and fatigue and mood swings..... any of these sound familiar bro?!?

no I have never had these side effects.

 

[GenixCon2.0]

Thanks, I thought cardarine was just used for increasing endurance and T3 was mainly used for dieting so admititly haven't looked into any of these because I didn't think they would help me. All I have heard is that they are dangerous. I will definitly test my t3 on my next blood work and see what it looks like after this cycle. So taking t3 allows you not to take caber and you tested this on bloodwork? prolactin? Do you think t3 is healthier than caber?




no I have never had these side effects.

When you run a thyroid panel it will list TSH, T4 free and total, T3 free, total, and reverse also some other things. Depending on the depth of what the dr orders it can have a lot of other things looking for signs of cancer as well.

As I mentioned, Tren lowers T4 values. Lower T4 values plus a higher TSH score is what you would see.

No T3 will not replace caber. It may help alleviate the spiking of prolactin. Allowing you not to take caber on such a ridiculously low dose of tren.

Honestly and I’ve alluded to this above.... if you need .25 of caber on 65mgs of active tren a week, then you don’t need to run tren at all bro. It’s not for everyone. If you’re truly that sensitive to it then stay away.

I don’t take caber on 700mg of TrenA, but of course all this is user and dependent.

As for T3 or Cardarine being dangerous. No neither one of them taken in standard therapeutic dose is at all dangerous IMO

So all that being said. I will answer your last question as standalone question. Yes I do think caber is worse for a person than taking T3.

What sides are you trying to avoid by taking low dose tren? I will clarify the question, what happens when you run a standard dose of TrenA that you are wary from taking it?

Most people complain of things like reduced cardio, night sweats, fatigue, aggression, heartburn, and high blood pressure. That’s why I asked if those sides sounded familiar.

I would supplement T4 if your goal is size and strength or even T3/T4 combo. I’ve used a OTC product called Armour Thyroid. When taken as the label suggests, It’s a good product.

 

[MonsterMaker]

This thread

 

[MustardTiger]

When you run a thyroid panel it will list TSH, T4 free and total, T3 free, total, and reverse also some other things. Depending on the depth of what the dr orders it can have a lot of other things looking for signs of cancer as well.

As I mentioned, Tren lowers T4 values. Lower T4 values plus a higher TSH score is what you would see.

No T3 will not replace caber. It may help alleviate the spiking of prolactin. Allowing you not to take caber on such a ridiculously low dose of tren.

Honestly and I’ve alluded to this above.... if you need .25 of caber on 65mgs of active tren a week, then you don’t need to run tren at all bro. It’s not for everyone. If you’re truly that sensitive to it then stay away.

I don’t take caber on 700mg of TrenA, but of course all this is user and dependent.

As for T3 or Cardarine being dangerous. No neither one of them taken in standard therapeutic dose is at all dangerous IMO

So all that being said. I will answer your last question as standalone question. Yes I do think caber is worse for a person than taking T3.

What sides are you trying to avoid by taking low dose tren? I will clarify the question, what happens when you run a standard dose of TrenA that you are wary from taking it?

Most people complain of things like reduced cardio, night sweats, fatigue, aggression, heartburn, and high blood pressure. That’s why I asked if those sides sounded familiar.

I would supplement T4 if your goal is size and strength or even T3/T4 combo. I’ve used a OTC product called Armour Thyroid. When taken as the label suggests, It’s a good product.

> if you need .25 of caber on 65mgs of active tren a week, then you don’t need to run tren at all bro.

I don't know that I need .25 of caber on tren, I just know that a low dose of deca/npp will give me high prolactin, so I am preemptively taking the caber, I considered trying not to take the caber

>What sides are you trying to avoid by taking low dose tren? I will clarify the question, what happens when >you run a standard dose of TrenA that you are wary from taking it?

I don't get any intolerable sides from 50mg of tren A EOD, I do get acne initially and coming off so I am trying to avoid that. My goal is to take enough that it gives me a bit of a strength boost without any sides and the least impact on my health. There is a lot of people report the tren hex I am taking from GC that 100-120mg per week is a good dose for them.

 

[GenixCon2.0]

> if you need .25 of caber on 65mgs of active tren a week, then you don’t need to run tren at all bro.

I don't know that I need .25 of caber on tren, I just know that a low dose of deca/npp will give me high prolactin, so I am preemptively taking the caber, I considered trying not to take the caber

>What sides are you trying to avoid by taking low dose tren? I will clarify the question, what happens when >you run a standard dose of TrenA that you are wary from taking it?

I don't get any intolerable sides from 50mg of tren A EOD, I do get acne initially and coming off so I am trying to avoid that. My goal is to take enough that it gives me a bit of a strength boost without any sides and the least impact on my health. There is a lot of people report the tren hex I am taking from GC that 100-120mg per week is a good dose for them.

Gotcha. Yea I also get a increase in body pimples when hormones are changing. Nothing to do about that other than treat it afterwards.

I understand the urge to preemptively get ahead problems. I hope you get the strength boost your looking for.

Don’t forget to run bloods. It would let you know where you stand on prolactin. My new insurance covers bloods 4x a year. That’s two times more than my previous insurance coverage. Check your plan and see what yours will cover.

 

[MonsterMaker]

Gotcha. Yea I also get a increase in body pimples when hormones are changing. Nothing to do about that other than treat it afterwards.

I understand the urge to preemptively get ahead problems. I hope you get the strength boost your looking for.

Don’t forget to run bloods. It would let you know where you stand on prolactin. My new insurance covers bloods 4x a year. That’s two times more than my previous insurance coverage. Check your plan and see what yours will cover.

When running blood work through insurance how did you go about it? Did you go to your primary and ask? Does that raise any flags with the insurance and or medical team?

 

[CoachCabo]

I wish people would understand and accept the fact that some compound or esters simply aren’t for them.
Some just see “…tren is the big daddy of all steroids…” and jump right in, very often excessively.

It reminds me of dudes buying motorcycles. They read about the “baddest ass bike around” (stories of the Hayabusa come to mind) and walk onto the showroom floor and say that’s the bike for them! When you qualify their skill level by asking what they own now, the answer might be “I have a Honda scooter.”
My friend that owned the dealership said he knew guys were likely to die if he sold them the bike but hey, that’s his business. Not being the gatekeeper.

I used to acquire steroids for people but when someone would ask me that shouldn’t be using them, I always stronly suggest they don’t. Even if it affects my pocket.

I can’t use test propionate. Even the 30mg in Sustanon can fuck me up. I tried (real, tested) Primo. Same thing. Ridiculous, crippling pip. So I don’t use them. Adding to the list and water-based injectable. I get it. So I don’t even try, I adjust and move on.

Tren is pretty awesome. I don’t get any sides that aren’t bearable, so I will use it when appropriate. I haven’t used tren hex since the Parabolan of 1988. So I am about to buysome from GC and give it a go after hearing all the hype. But I won’t use more than 2ml/week, no matter what.

 

[Montego]

I wish people would understand and accept the fact that some compound or esters simply aren’t for them.
Some just see “…tren is the big daddy of all steroids…” and jump right in, very often excessively.

It reminds me of dudes buying motorcycles. They read about the “baddest ass bike around” (stories of the Hayabusa come to mind) and walk onto the showroom floor and say that’s the bike for them! When you qualify their skill level by asking what they own now, the answer might be “I have a Honda scooter.”
My friend that owned the dealership said he knew guys were likely to die if he sold them the bike but hey, that’s his business. Not being the gatekeeper.

I used to acquire steroids for people but when someone would ask me that shouldn’t be using them, I always stronly suggest they don’t. Even if it affects my pocket.

I can’t use test propionate. Even the 30mg in Sustanon can fuck me up. I tried (real, tested) Primo. Same thing. Ridiculous, crippling pip. So I don’t use them. Adding to the list and water-based injectable. I get it. So I don’t even try, I adjust and move on.

Tren is pretty awesome. I don’t get any sides that aren’t bearable, so I will use it when appropriate. I haven’t used tren hex since the Parabolan of 1988. So I am about to buysome from GC and give it a go after hearing all the hype. But I won’t use more than 2ml/week, no matter what.

No no no.

See what's happening is, they're just not using enough. Double up the dose and everything will work out just fine

 

[MustardTiger]

I wish people would understand and accept the fact that some compound or esters simply aren’t for them.
Some just see “…tren is the big daddy of all steroids…” and jump right in, very often excessively.

It reminds me of dudes buying motorcycles. They read about the “baddest ass bike around” (stories of the Hayabusa come to mind) and walk onto the showroom floor and say that’s the bike for them! When you qualify their skill level by asking what they own now, the answer might be “I have a Honda scooter.”
My friend that owned the dealership said he knew guys were likely to die if he sold them the bike but hey, that’s his business. Not being the gatekeeper.

I used to acquire steroids for people but when someone would ask me that shouldn’t be using them, I always stronly suggest they don’t. Even if it affects my pocket.

I can’t use test propionate. Even the 30mg in Sustanon can fuck me up. I tried (real, tested) Primo. Same thing. Ridiculous, crippling pip. So I don’t use them. Adding to the list and water-based injectable. I get it. So I don’t even try, I adjust and move on.

Tren is pretty awesome. I don’t get any sides that aren’t bearable, so I will use it when appropriate. I haven’t used tren hex since the Parabolan of 1988. So I am about to buysome from GC and give it a go after hearing all the hype. But I won’t use more than 2ml/week, no matter what.

Couldn't agree with you more on tren, it should really be one of your last options since especially as a beginner you would get better or similiar results from something much safer and less likely to cause sides. I also don't get any intolerable sides from tren. Regarding the hex I am already noticing things after only 2 and 3 weeks from just using 1.2ml per week and its not going to be at full blood saturation for a long time yet, tren hex is 14 day half life which means its basically EQ ester, sides I am getting are like the same when I was just taking 25mg of ACE ED so I suspect 120MG of the gc hex it going to be like when I was taking around 250MG tren ace per week of the other lab once it hits full blood saturation if I was just comparing the side effects.

 

[zionoir626]

No no no.

See what's happening is, they're just not using enough. Double up the dose and everything will work out just fine

Wait.. what's going on here..Wait
That's my line Mont... I'm the Official Ahole here...Damn it..!

 

[GenixCon2.0]

When running blood work through insurance how did you go about it? Did you go to your primary and ask? Does that raise any flags with the insurance and or medical team?

Sorry I just saw this. I use the teledoc service. If insurance cares they’ve never mentioned it.

If I’m going for test levels or igf-1 I go with a internet service. PrivateMedlabs or Questdirect