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    Bloating will be the result of many things, either your diet or the aromatization ratio with whatever drugs you're using.
    You don't necessarily have to add more drugs tools, why not just simply make some adjustments with your diet and just increase your dosage with testosterone?
    Employ an AI with your testosterone, and you can keep things more simplified and within a narrow spectrum.

    Test only cycles/blast are very underrated and people think that we need to always incorporate more drugs.
    Drugs are nothing but tools, let your diet dictate all the gains.

    500-600mg or test, with some mastE and an AI that you prefer, increase your meals and let the testosterone do the nutrition partitioning.

    Things don't have to get sloppy.

    If by chance you don't want to increase your testosterone dosage, keep it low to moderate and throw in some YK11 and or MK677.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vision View Post
    Bloating will be the result of many things, either your diet or the aromatization ratio with whatever drugs you're using.
    You don't necessarily have to add more drugs tools, why not just simply make some adjustments with your diet and just increase your dosage with testosterone?
    Employ an AI with your testosterone, and you can keep things more simplified and within a narrow spectrum.

    Test only cycles/blast are very underrated and people think that we need to always incorporate more drugs.
    Drugs are nothing but tools, let your diet dictate all the gains.

    500-600mg or test, with some mastE and an AI that you prefer, increase your meals and let the testosterone do the nutrition partitioning.

    Things don't have to get sloppy.

    If by chance you don't want to increase your testosterone dosage, keep it low to moderate and throw in some YK11 and or MK677.
    Vision what do you think about YK11? and Mk677 i love it but is the worst think for me in terms of blotting

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    Quote Originally Posted by MONSTRO View Post
    Vision what do you think about YK11? and Mk677 i love it but is the worst think for me in terms of blotting
    I had absolutely zero blow with YK11.. all of my games were lean as my diet was extremely lean.
    To me it felt like I increased my test, strength was increased significantly and all around I just felt great.
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    Why are some of you suggesting eq? He stated he cannot use dbol due to BLOOD PRESSURE ISSUES. Eq shouldnít even be mentioned in this thread. Vision is absolutely correct. Instead of adding different drugs, simply apply a better diet and increase your testosterone. 250mg isnít much. Iím prescribed 200mg by my dr for trt, just to put your dosage in perspective.

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    sorry what is dhb?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MONSTRO View Post
    But DHB and masteron both DHT will dry him to much if he needs to grow
    Not if heís doing what heís supposed to and not destroying his estradiol. This is nonsense. If heís training hard and eating how heís supposed to he will grow. Youíre a big guy but you post some stuff thatís just wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vision View Post
    Bloating will be the result of many things, either your diet or the aromatization ratio with whatever drugs you're using.
    You don't necessarily have to add more drugs tools, why not just simply make some adjustments with your diet and just increase your dosage with testosterone?
    Employ an AI with your testosterone, and you can keep things more simplified and within a narrow spectrum.

    Test only cycles/blast are very underrated and people think that we need to always incorporate more drugs.
    Drugs are nothing but tools, let your diet dictate all the gains.

    500-600mg or test, with some mastE and an AI that you prefer, increase your meals and let the testosterone do the nutrition partitioning.

    Things don't have to get sloppy.

    If by chance you don't want to increase your testosterone dosage, keep it low to moderate and throw in some YK11 and or MK677.
    finally. I donít know why people donít realize the diet is going to have the largest effect being lean or bloated or fat if theyíre doing what theyíre supposed to do and making sure theyíre getting bloods done so they can control e and progesterone.

    Stop looking for drugs to do the work if youíre growing abd you canít get damn big on test then your diet and training sucks. Guys donít realize how far they get with just 500mg test a week.
    I also donít like orals on growth phases but thatís just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxmuscle1 View Post
    Nothing wrong with wanting less bloat. One thing to keep in mind; the water retention helps protect and makes you strong. Muscle is a lot of water. Bulking = Some water retention. I can completely understand not wanting a fat face but, personally; I had to let my jawline go to truly bulk. If your not competing and wanna just add lbm, I like to do lower test, higher dht , 19 nor

    Examples
    300 test p
    300 tren Ace
    300 mast p

    Or
    Test Cyp
    Dhb (1-test cypionate)
    Npp

    30mg -40mg Anavar

    I do love gh and peptides and am able to keep a lot of the bloat down by avoiding certain foods and eating plainly with high water intake along with supplements. It takes a few weeks, months for the body and person to learn dieting and training and macro/Supp technique to keep water low/low bloating.

    Max
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    is always better have one each category, test + 19nor + dht .
    Holding water is needed when goal is grow, remember the best compounds to grow are testosterone + hgh + slin + dbol and only with all of them you will get another level of size and all of them produce alot water retention , even hgh that burns fat . Water retention is not fat , people should be worried about fat not water

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    Test and npp.

    Don't need anything else.

    Low dose Dbol if you want to get really crazy

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    Quote Originally Posted by MONSTRO View Post
    is always better have one each category, test + 19nor + dht .
    Holding water is needed when goal is grow, remember the best compounds to grow are testosterone + hgh + slin + dbol and only with all of them you will get another level of size and all of them produce alot water retention , even hgh that burns fat . Water retention is not fat , people should be worried about fat not water
    Love it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    Test and npp.

    Don't need anything else.

    Low dose Dbol if you want to get really crazy
    this and t-bol, but watch BP. Doesn't bother mine, but does my buddies- guess what? we're all diff- imagine that!

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    Keep it simple. I prefer high test and low dbol dose (on training days only) low dose dbol mitigates high BP amd allows fir a long safe run of dbol. Iíve been doing this off and on for years with no issues

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    I'm looking for a similar option for the Fall so I have been following this thread.

    What you suggest in terms of test/NPP dosages?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    Test and npp.

    Don't need anything else.

    Low dose Dbol if you want to get really crazy

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    Quote Originally Posted by MONSTRO View Post
    is always better have one each category, test + 19nor + dht .
    Holding water is needed when goal is grow, remember the best compounds to grow are testosterone + hgh + slin + dbol and only with all of them you will get another level of size and all of them produce alot water retention , even hgh that burns fat . Water retention is not fat , people should be worried about fat not water
    What? You need water retention to grow tissue? You shouldnít be worried about water retention? Yes you should be hydrated but not holding a ton of water. None of this is healthy but you should be cautious. Water retention is bad for your heart and kidneys.
    i like the test and hgh.

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