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    For test e I didnít notice anything til like week 5/6 so I wouldnít worry too much


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bft84 View Post
    Iím not an idiot this is science you dipshit. Do I need to post more pics of what adhering to a caloric allotment and adequate protein does? You are always so wrong itís hilarious. Go eat some special colored rice. What exactly did I post that was incorrect? Would you like studies as well? Go ask Layne Norton you retard. Protein is king, and fats and carbs are energy sources. What pros do? Thereís a ton that adhere to flexible dieting. Also just because a bodybuilder does something doesnít make it the only way. Your appeal to authority is stupid.

    Super size me: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Super_Size_Me
    Okay, what's incorrect?

    You aren't exactly incorrect or correct in your statements. You mix truth with half truths. It's reckless. That's what junk science does...

    You would be a great personal trainer. Hey, no cardio. Eat doughnuts. Drink Soda. And look like me (except I taken a ton of Tren).

    IDK bro, keep doing you.

    I will say this, if you read over your posts, and came off less like an arrogant cock, it would be received better.

    For someone who doesn't "appeal" to authority, you sure act like an authority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milford King View Post
    So... I see bft84s point and in my experience when I was a young buck playing sports and lifting I ate whatever the fuck I wanted when I was hungry.... and I looked good. Then i started AAS, still played sports and lifted harder and heavier and looked even better....

    but then I got older


    shit foods started slowing me down, no energy, injuries, longer recovery periods....

    it is important, as you age to eat clean... obviously calories in vs calories out is science and how you lose weight but...

    thereís more to nutrition than losing weight.

    you need vitamins and fine tuned macros to keep your engine running...

    so both sides are correct but it is indeed much more than that.


    im guess bft84 doesnít eat shit everyday ... just guessing

    and that trest is fucking magical lol
    According to him, it isn't necessary to eat clean. A calorie is a calorie.

    Your just confused. He simplified it for us.

    I just hope some newbie doesn't view this thread and his post and come to the conclusion that they can eat just about anything and look like him.

    Bc that is how he comes across.

    He is revolutionized the industry...taken clean eating and thrown it out the window.

    A piece of cake = grilled vegetables so long as they are both 300 calories. Who knew??

    Keep an eye out for this guy, next Rich Piana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skip Foursome View Post
    White rice my friend!

    Starchy carbs over complex carbs any day.

    Oh this is so simple (sarcasm).......
    Lol I'm not saying to only eat white rice lol. My point is broken rice causes digestive problems for most people, and if you're not digesting it, you're not utilizing it. I personally shit out everything I eat undigested when I eat it with brown rice. I'm not the only one. Plus it's proven that brown rice causes malabsorption.

    I'm saying there's better carbs for bodybuilding purposes. Sweet potato, regular potato, Barilla protein+ pasta, fruit, etc. Fats slow down the digestion of carbs too. There's a reason very few high level coaches RX brown rice at all.

    To be clear OP, I'm not saying to eat shit carbs. Don't go eating burgers and fries all the time. Here and there sure, it'll help push your caloric intake up. But don't overdo it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Multislacking View Post
    I'm pretty certain you just stated exactly why some people recommend brown rice. It is harder for the body to digest, body uses more calories to break it down, etc, etc. The slightly lower glycemic value for brown is probably negligible in the overall scheme of diet. If it causes issues/food allergies, obviously don't do it.

    Which brings me to what we all know. For every study that says "do this" we can find an equal number of studies that say "don't do this". The best diets and training routines are the ones you can stick to. We're all experiments in progress and until we try something we won't know if it works for us or not. I'm not going to tell someone they *have* to do anything...it's all just suggestions for something to try to see if it works.

    Best of luck to OP on his journey. Not sure why this one new guy thread turned into such a dick swinging contest. I'll apologize for anyone I've been testy with this week (bft84 in particular). I have a family member on their death bed and all this seems pretty trivial right now. My "being compassionate and positive" tank is about empty for everyone I have around me IRL. Life is too short to argue about trivial things.
    This is true, but it's the enzyme in it that causes nutrient malabsorption that causes the problems. I thought this was common knowledge in the bodybuilding world these days. Go watch some interviews with Matt Jansen, John Meadows, Chris Aceto, etc. They've all said the same thing about brown rice.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2822877/

    Here's one of the studies on the matter. It decreases nutrient absorption, hands down. Protein especially.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GarlicChicken View Post
    Lol I'm not saying to only eat white rice lol. My point is broken rice causes digestive problems for most people, and if you're not digesting it, you're not utilizing it. I personally shit out everything I eat undigested when I eat it with brown rice. I'm not the only one. Plus it's proven that brown rice causes malabsorption.

    I'm saying there's better carbs for bodybuilding purposes. Sweet potato, regular potato, Barilla protein+ pasta, fruit, etc. Fats slow down the digestion of carbs too. There's a reason very few high level coaches RX brown rice at all.

    To be clear OP, I'm not saying to eat shit carbs. Don't go eating burgers and fries all the time. Here and there sure, it'll help push your caloric intake up. But don't overdo it.
    Ya I donít know man Iíve always been been keen on eating high quality foods. I feel better that way and thatís all I know. My body responds better to eating a avocado burger made with extra lean meat and no cheese while getting a good 15 -20 grams of healthy fats in through the avocado than it would to eating a double cheese burger from Mac Ds and filling up on all that saturated fat. Could just be placebo but I definitely feel better eating like that.

    Donít get me wrong I still have cheat meals but I make damn sure they arenít a stapleÖ


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    Quote Originally Posted by MonsterMaker View Post
    Ya I donít know man Iíve always been been keen on eating high quality foods. I feel better that way and thatís all I know. My body responds better to eating a avocado burger made with extra lean meat and no cheese while getting a good 15 -20 grams of healthy fats in through the avocado than it would to eating a double cheese burger from Mac Ds and filling up on all that saturated fat. Could just be placebo but I definitely feel better eating like that.

    Donít get me wrong I still have cheat meals but I make damn sure they arenít a stapleÖ


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    I agree 100% man. Eat clean for the most part, nothing worse than eating a burger and fries then trying to lift the same day lol. It's good here and there.

    Try swapping out the brown rice for a few days though. Leave it in for one meal, before I had GI problems I had good luck with having it in one meal with low fats in that meal. Just replace it with other clean carbs and see how it goes. Especially pre workout try white rice with some added fats like evoo or mac nut oil. Sits much lighter in the stomach than anything else

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    Quote Originally Posted by GarlicChicken View Post
    Lol I'm not saying to only eat white rice lol. My point is broken rice causes digestive problems for most people, and if you're not digesting it, you're not utilizing it. I personally shit out everything I eat undigested when I eat it with brown rice. I'm not the only one. Plus it's proven that brown rice causes malabsorption.

    I'm saying there's better carbs for bodybuilding purposes. Sweet potato, regular potato, Barilla protein+ pasta, fruit, etc. Fats slow down the digestion of carbs too. There's a reason very few high level coaches RX brown rice at all.

    To be clear OP, I'm not saying to eat shit carbs. Don't go eating burgers and fries all the time. Here and there sure, it'll help push your caloric intake up. But don't overdo it.
    I am saying eat white rice for sure, 100% serious

    That or white or red potatoes, not sweet potatoes.

    Complex carbs are slow for uptake and do not provide what you can get with starchy carbs.

    And I never seen a real coach ever use complex carbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GarlicChicken View Post
    I agree 100% man. Eat clean for the most part, nothing worse than eating a burger and fries then trying to lift the same day lol. It's good here and there.

    Try swapping out the brown rice for a few days though. Leave it in for one meal, before I had GI problems I had good luck with having it in one meal with low fats in that meal. Just replace it with other clean carbs and see how it goes. Especially pre workout try white rice with some added fats like evoo or mac nut oil. Sits much lighter in the stomach than anything else
    What you think about whole grain oat breads? Been inhaling that stuff lately. And sweet potato to get my carbs up. Getting over my fear of carb consumption has made a dramatic difference in my energy this past week, seriously itís insane.

    Had the most aggressive work out this morning. Best Iíve had since starting, felt like I could tear the dumbbells in half. I was literally shaking by the time I left, and could barely get my shirt offÖthings are looking up. Switching to a push pull split helped to. Most of the stuff I was doing today would have been towards the end of a full body after using up almost 80% of my energy, so I had just so much more drive.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Augustine5I View Post
    Okay, what's incorrect?

    You aren't exactly incorrect or correct in your statements. You mix truth with half truths. It's reckless. That's what junk science does...

    You would be a great personal trainer. Hey, no cardio. Eat doughnuts. Drink Soda. And look like me (except I taken a ton of Tren).

    IDK bro, keep doing you.

    I will say this, if you read over your posts, and came off less like an arrogant cock, it would be received better.

    For someone who doesn't "appeal" to authority, you sure act like an authority.
    name one thing I said that wasnít a whole truth that isnít backed up evidence? Do you not understand the LAW of thermodynamics? I donít take tren or high doses of anything. Youíre accusing me because you never managed to not look like shit because you donít know what youíre talking about. I donít act like an authority itís everything I say is fact. Full stop. Iíve had very happy people that Iíve helped because they didnít have to change their entire life or give up things they enjoyed in order to look better and be healthier. Do donuts make people fat? Does any single food or drink make someone fat or out of shape? Is cardio a requirement to losing weight and improving body composition?

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    All great advice given. Only thing I can add is years ago I would juice myself and always got minimal gains. Probably just enough to keep me coming back. Then I got into something that required me to have coaches and trainers and a nutritionist. These guys and girls all taught me how and when to eat, how to train for either size or strength or at times both. They taught me how to use AAS but only as a catalyst to become even better at whatever. As soon as all that happened I started to grow like a bad weed. So much so that there were many cycles I had to back off of because I was gaining too much for my profession. Itís all about learning my man. Now even though Iím old and retired Iím still learning. Since Iíve been here guys like Max, Wes, Wesley Swolle, Hot Rod, Vision, Multi. All have given me valuable info that even now has made my gains even better. All the wisdom is here bro you just gotta take it in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AR-15 View Post
    Since Iíve been here guys like Max, Wes, Wesley Swolle, Hot Rod, Vision, Multi. All have given me valuable info that even now has made my gains even better. All the wisdom is here bro you just gotta take it in.
    You left out Bft84. lolz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Augustine5I View Post
    According to him, it isn't necessary to eat clean. A calorie is a calorie.

    Your just confused. He simplified it for us.

    I just hope some newbie doesn't view this thread and his post and come to the conclusion that they can eat just about anything and look like him.

    Bc that is how he comes across.

    He is revolutionized the industry...taken clean eating and thrown it out the window.

    A piece of cake = grilled vegetables so long as they are both 300 calories. Who knew??

    Keep an eye out for this guy, next Rich Piana.
    😂 300 cals are 300cals. You can get fat on vegetables but good luck eating enough too. Theyíre not the same nutrient content obviously. Again, because youíre old and at this point Iím convinced are either retarded or senile, Iím talking about losing weight and gaining weight. Now if 2 people went on a diet and lost the same amount of weight but one person did it with McDonalds abd the one did it with veggies,fruits,chicken, fish, etc. then yes the one who ate the whole food diet would have better health markers and feel better. But they would lose the same amount of weight. A calorie is nothing more than a unit of energy. Do you understand? Also if one person got fat on Whole Foods and someone reached a healthy body fat percentage on ďjunkĒ the person who reached a healthy bf would be healthier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Augustine5I View Post
    You left out Bft84. lolz
    Letís see what youíve done? Youíre just another skinny fat user on the internet with no experience and only parrot what others have told you. You have no knowledge. You have no application. You donít even know how to read a study which is why you think thereís one out there that will support any point. You talk shit but canít rebut a single thing Iíve said. You use juice too right? Letís see what youve done with your physique. My health markers are damn near perfect. I donít use a lot of drugs, I train hard, damn hard, and I donít adhere to restrictive dieting. 🤔So letís see what have you done with your physique?

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