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For fucks sake, no one is suggesting that. :banghead: A *lean* noob coming out of the gate on his first cycle needs to eat more than maintenance to put on muscle, as does anyone. I said "generally speaking" for a reason. Don't be so literal.
This guys trying to learn so say what you mean and mean what you say. I’m a literal person especially when it comes to advice. There’s people telling a guy who says he gets fat easily and is gaining weight on 3000 cals that he’s not eating enough and one that said eat 5000. You’ve got people saying to eat a certain type of rice depending on goals and that a full body workout or training 3x a week isn’t enough. It’s a ton of useless baseless opinions. A lot of people are playing expert and while giving nonsense advice. I’ve read everything but the basics. The basics work and work well. You’ve got Matt Jansen putting people on stage using the basics. Jordan Peters whole training philosophy revolves around the basics.
 
This guys trying to learn so say what you mean and mean what you say. I’m a literal person especially when it comes to advice. There’s people telling a guy who says he gets fat easily and is gaining weight on 3000 cals that he’s not eating enough and one that said eat 5000. You’ve got people saying to eat a certain type of rice depending on goals and that a full body workout or training 3x a week isn’t enough. It’s a ton of useless baseless opinions. A lot of people are playing expert and while giving nonsense advice. I’ve read everything but the basics. The basics work and work well. You’ve got Matt Jansen putting people on stage using the basics. Jordan Peters whole training philosophy revolves around the basics.

Fair enough. Would you agree he needs to eat 500 cals above maintenance to gain muscle as I suggested?
 
Fair enough. Would you agree he needs to eat 500 cals above maintenance to gain muscle as I suggested?
Yes, unless he starts getting too fat, then he needs to pull back. I like the idea if building the metabolism up. So say start at 250-500cals above maintenance then add 100-200 cals every 2-4 weeks.
 
Yes, unless he starts getting too fat, then he needs to pull back. I like the idea if building the metabolism up. So say start at 250-500cals above maintenance then add 100-200 cals every 2-4 weeks.

Yep. That's the problem with having had excess weight before. The fat cells are still laying there just waiting to expand again. And your body is usually more eager to make fat than muscle in that scenario. That's why it is such a mind fuck for guys with the scale. I highly recommend weekly progress pics. They tell a story the scale never will, especially when it comes to weight gain.

Considering we are still talking new guy scenario, I will say that *any* workout is better than *no* workout. He's laying a foundation right now, not trying to build the peak on his bicep. As long as he is getting the time in the gym, with enough intensity, he *will* make gains...again, as a new guy. 3 times a week is light imo, but he's got other things going on besides the gym, so I get it. The bad thing is, if you miss one workout, that's only 2 workouts that week. Personally, I'd rather shoot for 5, so if I miss one, it's not *as* big a deal.

OP literally has guys fighting over him...hopefully he takes advantage of it all. :geewhiz:
 
Yep. That's the problem with having had excess weight before. The fat cells are still laying there just waiting to expand again. And your body is usually more eager to make fat than muscle in that scenario. That's why it is such a mind fuck for guys with the scale. I highly recommend weekly progress pics. They tell a story the scale never will, especially when it comes to weight gain.

Considering we are still talking new guy scenario, I will say that *any* workout is better than *no* workout. He's laying a foundation right now, not trying to build the peak on his bicep. As long as he is getting the time in the gym, with enough intensity, he *will* make gains...again, as a new guy. 3 times a week is light imo, but he's got other things going on besides the gym, so I get it. The bad thing is, if you miss one workout, that's only 2 workouts that week. Personally, I'd rather shoot for 5, so if I miss one, it's not *as* big a deal.

OP literally has guys fighting over him...hopefully he takes advantage of it all. :geewhiz:

Haha I’m blushing! No really guys appreciate everything, I’m just sitting back and taking notes and enjoying the show LOL.

Still have no idea how to post pics, otherwise I would have started a log already
 
Haha I’m blushing! No really guys appreciate everything, I’m just sitting back and taking notes and enjoying the show LOL.

Still have no idea how to post pics, otherwise I would have started a log already

Are you using tapatalk on phone?
 
This guys trying to learn so say what you mean and mean what you say. I’m a literal person especially when it comes to advice. There’s people telling a guy who says he gets fat easily and is gaining weight on 3000 cals that he’s not eating enough and one that said eat 5000. You’ve got people saying to eat a certain type of rice depending on goals and that a full body workout or training 3x a week isn’t enough. It’s a ton of useless baseless opinions. A lot of people are playing expert and while giving nonsense advice. I’ve read everything but the basics. The basics work and work well. You’ve got Matt Jansen putting people on stage using the basics. Jordan Peters whole training philosophy revolves around the basics.

Best thread in a while . I wish I would have had this to read when I started.

Yes...we come together for guys and gals that are humble and respectful and Teachable..And yes we are going to disagree at times..the world would be boring if didn't...the main thing is he's getting help from a lot of great knowledgeable members..Five pages and counting..
With greats like Vis..Skip..That porn guy Rod..MultiS..the list is a variable who's who..

What's the cost of that kind of advice..??...Free
 
This guys trying to learn so say what you mean and mean what you say. I’m a literal person especially when it comes to advice. There’s people telling a guy who says he gets fat easily and is gaining weight on 3000 cals that he’s not eating enough and one that said eat 5000. You’ve got people saying to eat a certain type of rice depending on goals and that a full body workout or training 3x a week isn’t enough. It’s a ton of useless baseless opinions. A lot of people are playing expert and while giving nonsense advice. I’ve read everything but the basics. The basics work and work well. You’ve got Matt Jansen putting people on stage using the basics. Jordan Peters whole training philosophy revolves around the basics.

Do not eat 5000cals a day you’ll get insanely fat. Where in the fuck do you guys come up with shit?

So I'll address what I said about calorie intake..Im an ectomorph..I can't gain a pound on 4k a day...Now throw in trying to bulk and doing cardio..that will require more..would also depend on the quality of food..crappy food more cardio(that's basic 101)..So if I'm not worried about quality(as you said).. I would need to bump cardio..right?..base line 3k...4k won't do anything..5k of clean...Yes..

Don't get me wrong I agree with 90% of what everyone has said..at 6k..dailing in cardio will yield nice results..sure will he hit 6k everyday...No..but that's the goal..You have to eat to grow..Now everyone will agree with that..and everyone should agree that nutrition is always the weakest link...Oh where did I get that in 1997...trial and error
 
So I'll address what I said about calorie intake..Im an ectomorph..I can't gain a pound on 4k a day...Now throw in trying to bulk and doing cardio..that will require more..would also depend on the quality of food..crappy food more cardio(that's basic 101)..So if I'm not worried about quality(as you said).. I would need to bump cardio..right?..base line 3k...4k won't do anything..5k of clean...Yes..

Don't get me wrong I agree with 90% of what everyone has said..at 6k..dailing in cardio will yield nice results..sure will he hit 6k everyday...No..but that's the goal..You have to eat to grow..Now everyone will agree with that..and everyone should agree that nutrition is always the weakest link...Oh where did I get that in 1997...trial and error
for you 5-6k is what you need. For a guy who says he’s gaining weight on 3k and if he eats more he gets fat then he will not gain any more muscle on almost doubling the cals he simply get obese and then have a hell of a time getting rid of the fat. I would become obese on 5-6k and I can grow on 3k. Clean food, “dirty food” it’s all calories. You’ll gain or lose the same weight on equal calories from pop tarts or rice. I think digestibility is very important and as calories drop the diet tends to get cleaner anyway. Here’s what I always tell people, take your total caloric allotment, subtract the amount of calories for 1-2grams of protein per lb, then fill in the rest with food you like.
you have to eat to grow but the goal is to grow and not get too fat. Blanket statements like eat 5000 cals are not helpful.
 
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These comments along with disagreements proves my point diet is hard to understand and just as hard to stick with.

AAS is easy, it's everything sale that is hard.
Diets easy it’s just people over complicate it. Want to lose weight? Be in a deficit. Want to gain weight? Be in a surplus. Want to gain muscle? Eat 1-2 grams per lb protein and fill in the rest of your calories with whatever food you like. Want to lose weight and try to maintain as much muscle as you can? Do the same with a deficit. How is dieting hard?
 
I had a lady the other day tell me she needs to lose weight but she just can’t quit eating bread and sweets. She felt hopeless because of this whole good food bad food nonsense. She had never even heard to eat what you want just eat less. Clean food and bad food or thinking a certain food will make you fat is an unhealthy relationship with food.
 
There's a big difference to me between eating clean and dirty..at 55 you better believe it and starting good habits early is key to staying healthy..You need to look further down the road that 1 cycle or 2..Yes it took 6k back then now No..but I'm wiser now..Eating dirty will raise health markers quick..best not to start or continue that..young first couple of cycles yes then go for quality..I agree to disagree..

Dailing in cardio can curve the fat gains..but most BB want to cut back on that to gain..I strongly disagree with that mindset..

BTW.. I'm no expert by any means..guys like Vis..Skip..401..know WAY more than me on most sujects..
 
Diets easy it’s just people over complicate it. Want to lose weight? Be in a deficit. Want to gain weight? Be in a surplus. Want to gain muscle? Eat 1-2 grams per lb protein and fill in the rest of your calories with whatever food you like. Want to lose weight and try to maintain as much muscle as you can? Do the same with a deficit. How is dieting hard?

Proper dieting can be like a foreign language to some people, so yes it can be complicated. Critiquing people for not understanding is silly. Dieting does take time to understand especially sensitivities and knowing how to make adjustments. And most of all timing, timing is pivotal. You just can't throw that information above at someone and tell them to have at it and make improvements. We can peel the layers back here and get really nitty gritty without people have an emotional attachment with food, cravings, genetic predispositions and so on. For people that have been at this for years, I get it it's simple, but for people that have no idea - how are they supposed to have an idea?!?!
Most of us are programmed what to eat and how to eat, no fuss no muss. But we were never always programmed. There's not one mother fucker that's the genuine article. Dieting can suck, it takes time, and people get to learn themselves through a whole different perspective that they've never experienced, and each phase can be different from the last as sensitivities change.
 
There's a big difference to me between eating clean and dirty..at 55 you better believe it and starting good habits early is key to staying healthy..You need to look further down the road that 1 cycle or 2..Yes it took 6k back then now No..but I'm wiser now..Eating dirty will raise health markers quick..best not to start or continue that..young first couple of cycles yes then go for quality..I agree to disagree..

Dailing in cardio can curve the fat gains..but most BB want to cut back on that to gain..I strongly disagree with that mindset..

BTW.. I'm no expert by any means..guys like Vis..Skip..401..know WAY more than me on most sujects..
I’m talking about gaining and losing weight. What mind set do you disagree with? It’s not a mindset it’s literally the law of thermodynamics. A calorie is a unit of energy. Consume excess you gain weight, consume less than you burn, you lose weight. A piece of cake isn’t going to harm the average person. People trying to control calories will clean up their diet over time. Restrictive eating for most people leads to binging and failure. I’d rather someone live a normal life and eat foods they enjoy, because they can adhere to that and get the same benefits of eating “clean”. You will not get fat no matter wgat you eat if calories remain the same. Your age doesn’t change magically change the law of thermodynamics
 
Proper dieting can be like a foreign language to some people, so yes it can be complicated. Critiquing people for not understanding is silly. Dieting does take time to understand especially sensitivities and knowing how to make adjustments. And most of all timing, timing is pivotal. You just can't throw that information above at someone and tell them to have at it and make improvements. We can peel the layers back here and get really nitty gritty without people have an emotional attachment with food, cravings, genetic predispositions and so on. For people that have been at this for years, I get it it's simple, but for people that have no idea - how are they supposed to have an idea?!?!
Most of us are programmed what to eat and how to eat, no fuss no muss. But we were never always programmed. There's not one mother fucker that's the genuine article. Dieting can suck, it takes time, and people get to learn themselves through a whole different perspective that they've never experienced, and each phase can be different from the last as sensitivities change.
Dieting is confusing to people because of all the misinformation and over complication of it. A calorie is a calorie. We store them or use them. I’m not critiquing anyone I’m just cutting through the nonsense. I understand people have certain allergens and other things, which is why I’m not giving food choices, but what I am doing is making it as easy and unintimidating as I can. It’s literally the only way any diet works, because they all work if you’re consistent with them.
 
Dieting is confusing to people because of all the misinformation and over complication of it. A calorie is a calorie. We store them or use them. I’m not critiquing anyone I’m just cutting through the nonsense. I understand people have certain allergens and other things, which is why I’m not giving food choices, but what I am doing is making it as easy and unintimidating as I can. It’s literally the only way any diet works, because they all work if you’re consistent with them.

Listen I totally get what you're doing, you're getting down to the brass and you're simplifying things and you're pulling out the crayons and paper, that part I get.
But people can also read what you're posting and get misinformed as well, because it does come down to the quality and type of nutrients we take in, ratios and so on and this much you already know.

This is like someone that is a whiz at math, someone who completely gets it, while trying to explain the others who do not get it, by telling them how simple it is in layman's terms. When in reality, some people are just good with numbers and other people it takes exposure and practice, with continuously using these principles without getting rusty. For the average person, if you don't use it you'll lose it.

But I get what you're saying here and I'm not disagreeing. My angle of approach is merely advocating education, and having a better understanding.
Take the basic and the fundamentals that you have laid out, and have others build from there with knowing what to take, when to time it, it went to make the adjustments by adding or subtracting. The reality is the metabolism is always changing adjustments will always need to be made. But let's also consider the type of people were trying to better educate here. It's very unlikely that's the majority of people reading this are competitors or plan on being one. Therefore a cookie cutter would suffice, but what happens when they hit a brick wall? I think it's fair to say people should be more in tune.

Apply the basics, basics always win, if they want to make some really significant improvements learn how to make the adjustments.

Your closing statement is what this all comes down to and that's consistency. People will fall off the rails, and people will need motivation, but staying consistent for as long as possible and picking right back up to be consistent again is what it comes down to.

The reality is it's hard as fuck to always be on point.

I consider myself very programmed, and I get disappointed and often have resentment and guilt when I slip up, but to the average person they roll their eyes like "really".. because yes it's a big deal to me, because I know better and I strive to stay consistent. The little shit bothers me. I can't make that up!
 
I'm going to finish with this..because this thread is getting derailed..and the OP doesn't need this back and forth..another thread for education if need be..First,I'm wrong more than right and I'm old enough to not get my feathers ruffled..I don't have to be right just ask my girl..yes a cal is a cal..but how you able to get away with stuff at a young age Radically changes as We all age..A1C point in case..

1st...
Everyone is different

2nd..I am stating from personal experience about cal intake with my metabolism..and decades of use..

3rd..We can All learn from each other without the attitude..

And Finally
What worked for me or you is No guarantee it will work for anyone else..
With that I bow out of this Thread
 
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Brown rice is good if you're cutting/recomp. Unless I missed it, you still haven't stated what your goal is. Is it losing weight? Is it recomp? Is it adding mass? If it's adding mass, then throw in potato, white rice, pasta. Recomp is a bit of a bitch. It's long and slow relatively speaking. Because you're not focusing on just cutting weight or just adding mass.

I disagree on brown rice being good for anything man. It causes noticable gastric stress and bad digestion for me with even one meal a day. I've heard many others say the same. I'm assuming that enzyme in it that causes malabsorption of micronutrients is the cause. Plus I don't see many higher level coaches using it at all for prep, which I'm assuming is for a reason. Meadows doesn't like it at all.
 
I’m in my 4th week of my first cycle and it has unfortunately been unremarkable for the most part. I feel like I’m either doing something wrong here or my gear isn’t up to par or I had my standards too high. I should mention that I’m getting my labs done this week too, just thought I’d put this out there to hear any thoughts.

I’m eating pretty clean @3000 cals a day. Carbs are 200+ Gs daily and protein is 200-400 gs daily. Carbs primarily from brown rice and veggies. Protein primarily from chicken breasts, tuna, and extra lean beef. I’m lifting 3X week and doing full body workouts. Bench, military, DB rows, rack pulls, tricep extension, flys, cable cross overs, make up a lot of my workout. I shoot for 4-8 rep range. Going to be trying a push/pull split to see if more recovery time helps with gains.

I’ve only seen a minimal increase in strength since starting. I definitely don’t have the mental edge I was hoping for. I actually feel kinda shitty most days. Just burned out feeling, and that’s kind of concerning. The extreme mental and physical exhaustion/fatigue is what had me looking into my T levels before I even decided I wanted to try a cycle, and now I’m blasting 500 msg and don’t feel any better or maybe even worse some days.

After about 2 weeks from starting I gained about 8 lbs. I assumed that was all water retention as I looked and felt puffy and lost definition, I have a soft look to me now. I gained about two more LBs since the initial bloat but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s just body fat.

Does this sound typical for someone’s first? I kept hearing how great the first cycle is and how much mental aggression you have is just ridiculous... I just feel bloated...not to mention the pip I get almost every time has been hindering my progress, for sure. Especially the first couple weeks when I was only pinning my quads.

Most of these guys are just going to tell you your doing stuff wrong and not actually help.
What's the Ester you're running?
How old are you?
Have you utilized a personal trainer for atleast 2 hours?
Just my quick 2 cents.
"Full body" workout routines are actually better for beginning lifters.
Shoot for 14 exercises per day 4-5 days a week.
500-600 mgs on a first cycle is going to put some weight on you. You already gained 8 lbs in three weeks? Not bad it can take the average unenhanced person several month to attain the same result.
That "puffiness" is probably glycogen building.
You shouldn't need an ai at that dose unless you run more than 10-12 weeks. If your having any sides it's because your diet and body fat aren't structured.
 
I'm going to finish with this..because this thread is getting derailed..and the OP doesn't need this back and forth..another thread for education if need be..First,I'm wrong more than right and I'm old enough to not get my feathers ruffled..I don't have to be right just ask my girl..yes a cal is a cal..but how you able to get away with stuff at a young age Radically changes as We all age..A1C point in case..

1st...
Everyone is different

2nd..I am stating from personal experience about cal intake with my metabolism..and decades of use..

3rd..We can All learn from each other without the attitude..

And Finally
What worked for me or you is No guarantee it will work for anyone else..
With that I bow out of this Thread

I don’t give a fuck what some dumb gym bro bullshit asshole says, a calorie isn’t a calorie.

Some foods/calories impact our bodies differently. Like carbs.

You have 8 doughnuts and see how those “calories” make you feel. They will make you feel like total crap.

Blood sugars will spike and crash.

AND there are no nutritional parts to a piece of cake. No one will grow muscle on cake.

That guy who ate McDonalds and only McDonalds got sick as a dog. Body was shutting down. Don’t tell him a calories is a calorie.

Have a bag of pretzels and next day you are up two pounds in water from sodium. You can’t just eat whatever the fuck.

It’s not as simple as calories in and calories out.

Take two ppl and give them both 3k calories a day. One eats boiled chicken and grilled vegetables. One eats cake, bagels and butter, sausage sandwiches.

3 months go by they won’t look the same. Or feel the same. Or produce the same at the gym with strength or endurance.

Btw this isn’t directed at you bro. It’s at other idiots who ascribe to dumb junk science logic.


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Most of these guys are just going to tell you your doing stuff wrong and not actually help.
What's the Ester you're running?
How old are you?
Have you utilized a personal trainer for atleast 2 hours?
Just my quick 2 cents.
"Full body" workout routines are actually better for beginning lifters.
Shoot for 14 exercises per day 4-5 days a week.
500-600 mgs on a first cycle is going to put some weight on you. You already gained 8 lbs in three weeks? Not bad it can take the average unenhanced person several month to attain the same result.
That "puffiness" is probably glycogen building.
You shouldn't need an ai at that dose unless you run more than 10-12 weeks. If your having any sides it's because your diet and body fat aren't structured.

Either way I’m learning a lot reading through the comments on this post, but I’m running Test E @500 a week, nolva 10 mgs daily, I’m 32, and started at 165 lbs. the scale has been fluctuating between 171-175 for a week now, which has got me thinking I might actually need to eat more still.

I have Dbol on hand as I was originally planning on starting the cycle off with it. What do you guys think about stacking 25-50mgs Dbol a day to this test for 2-3 weeks in the middle of it?
 
I don’t give a fuck what some dumb gym bro bullshit asshole says, a calorie isn’t a calorie.

Some foods/calories impact our bodies differently. Like carbs.

You have 8 doughnuts and see how those “calories” make you feel. They will make you feel like total crap.

Blood sugars will spike and crash.

AND there are no nutritional parts to a piece of cake. No one will grow muscle on cake.

That guy who ate McDonalds and only McDonalds got sick as a dog. Body was shutting down. Don’t tell him a calories is a calorie.

Have a bag of pretzels and next day you are up two pounds in water from sodium. You can’t just eat whatever the fuck.

It’s not as simple as calories in and calories out.

Take two ppl and give them both 3k calories a day. One eats boiled chicken and grilled vegetables. One eats cake, bagels and butter, sausage sandwiches.

3 months go by they won’t look the same. Or feel the same. Or produce the same at the gym with strength or endurance.

Btw this isn’t directed at you bro. It’s at other idiots who ascribe to dumb junk science logic.


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as far as weight gain/weight loss a calorie is a calorie. The majority of my muscle did not come from eating “clean foods”. When I cut I don’t eat mainly “clean foods”. Ask JM Blakly how to gain weight. He has more muscle and strength than anyone here. This isn’t junk science. It’s literally the law of thermodynamics. I’m not talking about health purposes. You know what I eat build muscle? I love pizza, bagels, McDonald’s, etc. I just stick to my protein requirements and caloric allotment. Same with cutting. As far that documentary it has been debunked. Morgan Sperlock is a sensationalist. Digestibility and how it makes you feel is more important than “clean food”. You know what’s most important? Consistency. If you’re stepping on stage there’s variables like water retention to worry about. Bad food, good food? Nope you’ve got a bad relationship with food and misunderstanding of how it works in the human body.
 
Most of these guys are just going to tell you your doing stuff wrong and not actually help.
What's the Ester you're running?
How old are you?
Have you utilized a personal trainer for atleast 2 hours?
Just my quick 2 cents.
"Full body" workout routines are actually better for beginning lifters.
Shoot for 14 exercises per day 4-5 days a week.
500-600 mgs on a first cycle is going to put some weight on you. You already gained 8 lbs in three weeks? Not bad it can take the average unenhanced person several month to attain the same result.
That "puffiness" is probably glycogen building.
You shouldn't need an ai at that dose unless you run more than 10-12 weeks. If your having any sides it's because your diet and body fat aren't structured.

Btw I’m not a beginner lifter. Been lifting on/off for 15 years. I decided to go with the full body after taking a 3 year break when my wife got pregnant with our first. Thought the full body would work well with my chaotic schedule. Before the break I had been doing a simple push/pull/leg split


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as far as weight gain/weight loss a calorie is a calorie. The majority of my muscle did not come from eating “clean foods”. When I cut I don’t eat mainly “clean foods”. Ask JM Blakly how to gain weight. He has more muscle and strength than anyone here. This isn’t junk science. It’s literally the law of thermodynamics. I’m not talking about health purposes. You know what I eat build muscle? I love pizza, bagels, McDonald’s, etc. I just stick to my protein requirements and caloric allotment. Same with cutting. As far that documentary it has been debunked. Morgan Sperlock is a sensationalist. Digestibility and how it makes you feel is more important than “clean food”. You know what’s most important? Consistency. If you’re stepping on stage there’s variables like water retention to worry about. Bad food, good food? Nope you’ve got a bad relationship with food and misunderstanding of how it works in the human body.

You're an idiot.

And your dangerous bc new guys reading how it's okay to eat bagels, McDonald's as part of this lifestyle is reckless.

IDK who the fuck you think you are to take a position like this but it's over your head.

Relationship with food?? lolz. Who you parroting? Any pro would tell you they don't eat the foods your talking about. Unless they are doing a cheat day or dirty bulK (excuse to consume shit).

Again, this shit is over year head. You read this shit someplace and now parrot it like some newbie dick.

Also, post where it was debunked. So I can learn that it was... rabbi
 
You're an idiot.

And your dangerous bc new guys reading how it's okay to eat bagels, McDonald's as part of this lifestyle is reckless.

IDK who the fuck you think you are to take a position like this but it's over your head.

Relationship with food?? lolz. Who you parroting? Any pro would tell you they don't eat the foods your talking about. Unless they are doing a cheat day or dirty bulK (excuse to consume shit).

Again, this shit is over year head. You read this shit someplace and now parrot it like some newbie dick.

Also, post where it was debunked. So I can learn that it was... rabbi

I would have to argue that someone who feels it’s healthy to consume whatever they want, whenever they want, is the one who has an unhealthy relationship with food…


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You're an idiot.

And your dangerous bc new guys reading how it's okay to eat bagels, McDonald's as part of this lifestyle is reckless.

IDK who the fuck you think you are to take a position like this but it's over your head.

Relationship with food?? lolz. Who you parroting? Any pro would tell you they don't eat the foods your talking about. Unless they are doing a cheat day or dirty bulK (excuse to consume shit).

Again, this shit is over year head. You read this shit someplace and now parrot it like some newbie dick.

Also, post where it was debunked. So I can learn that it was... rabbi

I think Vision broke down what Bft84 was saying pretty well in that this is the absolute most basic concept between weight loss and gain and in that regard he is correct.

Regardless of composition and any kind of gastroenterological distress, the only thing that dictates weight gained vs weight lost is caloric intake. The finer points of your diet will dictate what kind of weight that is. It’s easier to stay satiated and feel better in general if you keep processed foods to a minimum but it’s not mandatory strictly from a scale weight perspective.

He’s providing some much needed pushback against some of the silly shit I’ve seen proponents of Keto and Atkins diets push. My former Controller argued with me up and down that caloric intake didn’t matter. You could only gain weight once you ate carbs. I challenged him to eat a tub of mayonnaise in front of me every day for a month and then we could weigh him at the end. Those people are the ones are that are confused. He looked like absolute shit and refused to be helped.
 
I disagree on brown rice being good for anything man. It causes noticable gastric stress and bad digestion for me with even one meal a day. I've heard many others say the same. I'm assuming that enzyme in it that causes malabsorption of micronutrients is the cause. Plus I don't see many higher level coaches using it at all for prep, which I'm assuming is for a reason. Meadows doesn't like it at all.

White rice my friend!

Starchy carbs over complex carbs any day.

Oh this is so simple (sarcasm)....... :)
 
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