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    I've finally decided to do TRT at 52. I've researched, been given advice in the forum, read Jay Campbell's TOT Bible, and have listened to many pad casts. I had my labs done and see my doc in a few days.

    I've looked into the online TRT factories... MaleExcel, Royal, etc... anyone have any referrals?

    If you have listened to Jay Campbell or read his book, he is against using AI. Any thoughts on that?

    Appreciate any feedback

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bdawg View Post
    I've finally decided to do TRT at 52. I've researched, been given advice in the forum, read Jay Campbell's TOT Bible, and have listened to many pad casts. I had my labs done and see my doc in a few days.

    I've looked into the online TRT factories... MaleExcel, Royal, etc... anyone have any referrals?

    If you have listened to Jay Campbell or read his book, he is against using AI. Any thoughts on that?

    Appreciate any feedback
    Considering the research you've done I hope you understand the commitment that you're about to make.
    I'm no specialist and I'm not going to give any medical advice, but I do have an opinion, and a lot of these sites that people join online fall into a cookie cutter protocol.
    I'm not stating that these protocols are ineffective, because in fact they do work but that will vary on each individual. TRT can be a real cunt, and it takes some time to dial things in, and sometimes trt can transition into full blown HRT, meaning you may have to incorporate other synthetic hormones eventually and people don't even consider this. Whether it's HGH, DHEA, anti estrogens or even thyroid meds, and worst case insulin.

    My suggestion is to see someone in person that you can trust, during the beginning it's not going to be easy because they'll be a lot of adjustments made. The specialist will be trying to get to know your body, and at the same time you're going to have to get to know your body all over again. Trt is not a plug and play and a lot of older lions tend to think it is.

    Any specialist that is against a particular protocol, I would always question because any real men of science would always keep every option on the table for consideration. If you get into a certain program or protocol a lot of times guys don't realize that they're playing a game with treating symptoms, and that's all they end up doing is putting Band-Aids here and there.
    Once you mess with one hormonal level there's a good chance it's going to fuck with others, it's a Cascade of events. And there's a lot of drugs out there that have off label properties that find their way into therapeutic treatments, but because of some people's narrow perspective they wouldn't know about it.

    Don't be a rope-a-dope and fall for the trt trend, I strongly encourage people to avoid going on if there's other methods, even starting off with gels and patches or implants is not off the table.

    BEAR IN MIND THAT SYNTHETIC TESTOSTERONE IS NOT GOING TO MAKE YOUR BODY RESPOND LIKE IT'S YOUR TESTOSTERONE. YOUR BODY WILL NEVER TRULY RESPOND TO SYNTHETIC TESTOSTERONE LIKE IT DOES TO YOUR NATURAL TESTOSTERONE.

    Good luck.

    And don't settle for a one size fits all approach!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bdawg View Post

    If you have listened to Jay Campbell or read his book, he is against using AI. Any thoughts on that?
    If you need one, you need one. It all depends on how your body treats the test you're injecting. Gyno can develop even if you're within normal test ranges.

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    Clomid at 25mgs ed is the very first step a patient "can" take when they approach an Endocrinologist. For instance I worked with Metabolic Dr. and that was one option. I have seen the average hypogonadal patient acheive about 600-1000 n/dL levels on that dosage. So you would be in a healthy, non superphysiological range.

    HCG also can be used as HRT. Though it is suppressive.

    As for AI's like Multi said, unless you "need" it, don't use one. On HRT, I would say the majority of patients I dealt with in the Medical field, did not need one "IF" they stayed on true HRT dosages. HRT dosages are not "cycles". This new generation thinks 500mgs of Test per week is HRT. That is a cycle.

    What we found best was administering 100mgs of Test Cyp/E every 4th day. We also administered or O'Connor (Metabolic Dr) HCG at 250-500iu 2x per week. With the addition of the HCG you may indeed see a little bit more estrogen while on cycle.

    Nevertheless if you do need an AI, on HRT, I personally have seen way to high of dosages. What I use with my guys and what I prefer is Exemestane, and we will start out as low as 6.25mgs e3d. You will see an increase in free testosterone when taking something like EXEM alongside your HRT dosages.

    Also jump on some liver support. What alot of newbies or even AAS abusers don't realize, is that your body metabolizes Testosterone. Their is an indvidual response based on how "YOU" metabolze testosterone. The healthier your organs and liver, the more likely you are going to metabolize testosterone better. Guys with massive stress to their organs will then test their levels and blame the brand for being poor quality when many times it is because their body is so taxed it is metabolizing testosterone poorly.

    This is what I use myself and with clients. I didn't come here intending to sell you something but I certainly will show you what it is I carry, use and sell.

    Another tip I will give you is to rotate injection sites constantly. The body will absorb and do much better with fresh muscle tissue, then if you keep injecting into the same area. Oil can build up in that site and not only slow down absorption rates, but it can also form an abcess or pre-abcess.

    Easiest place for a newbie are the glutes, shoulders and pecs. I personally do not suggest Quads bc the rate of Preabcess, lumps and pain is the highest of any injection area in my experiences with patients, clients and personally.

    If you need a legit TRT option that will prescribe you an actual decent amount of Test and 100% legal you can uise my buddies place
    www.titanmedicalcenter.com

    Good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by GYMnTONIC View Post
    Clomid at 25mgs ed is the very first step a patient "can" take when they approach an Endocrinologist. For instance I worked with Metabolic Dr. and that was one option. I have seen the average hypogonadal patient acheive about 600-1000 n/dL levels on that dosage. So you would be in a healthy, non superphysiological range.

    HCG also can be used as HRT. Though it is suppressive.

    As for AI's like Multi said, unless you "need" it, don't use one. On HRT, I would say the majority of patients I dealt with in the Medical field, did not need one "IF" they stayed on true HRT dosages. HRT dosages are not "cycles". This new generation thinks 500mgs of Test per week is HRT. That is a cycle.

    What we found best was administering 100mgs of Test Cyp/E every 4th day. We also administered or O'Connor (Metabolic Dr) HCG at 250-500iu 2x per week. With the addition of the HCG you may indeed see a little bit more estrogen while on cycle.

    Nevertheless if you do need an AI, on HRT, I personally have seen way to high of dosages. What I use with my guys and what I prefer is Exemestane, and we will start out as low as 6.25mgs e3d. You will see an increase in free testosterone when taking something like EXEM alongside your HRT dosages.

    Also jump on some liver support. What alot of newbies or even AAS abusers don't realize, is that your body metabolizes Testosterone. Their is an indvidual response based on how "YOU" metabolze testosterone. The healthier your organs and liver, the more likely you are going to metabolize testosterone better. Guys with massive stress to their organs will then test their levels and blame the brand for being poor quality when many times it is because their body is so taxed it is metabolizing testosterone poorly.

    This is what I use myself and with clients. I didn't come here intending to sell you something but I certainly will show you what it is I carry, use and sell.

    Another tip I will give you is to rotate injection sites constantly. The body will absorb and do much better with fresh muscle tissue, then if you keep injecting into the same area. Oil can build up in that site and not only slow down absorption rates, but it can also form an abcess or pre-abcess.

    Easiest place for a newbie are the glutes, shoulders and pecs. I personally do not suggest Quads bc the rate of Preabcess, lumps and pain is the highest of any injection area in my experiences with patients, clients and personally.

    If you need a legit TRT option that will prescribe you an actual decent amount of Test and 100% legal you can uise my buddies place
    www.titanmedicalcenter.com

    Good luck

    Organ and Liver support

    http://stores.gymntonic.com/c-e-r-t-...ged-nutrition/
    A lot of good info here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vision View Post
    Considering the research you've done I hope you understand the commitment that you're about to make.
    I'm no specialist and I'm not going to give any medical advice, but I do have an opinion, and a lot of these sites that people join online fall into a cookie cutter protocol.
    I'm not stating that these protocols are ineffective, because in fact they do work but that will vary on each individual. TRT can be a real cunt, and it takes some time to dial things in, and sometimes trt can transition into full blown HRT, meaning you may have to incorporate other synthetic hormones eventually and people don't even consider this. Whether it's HGH, DHEA, anti estrogens or even thyroid meds, and worst case insulin.

    My suggestion is to see someone in person that you can trust, during the beginning it's not going to be easy because they'll be a lot of adjustments made. The specialist will be trying to get to know your body, and at the same time you're going to have to get to know your body all over again. Trt is not a plug and play and a lot of older lions tend to think it is.

    Any specialist that is against a particular protocol, I would always question because any real men of science would always keep every option on the table for consideration. If you get into a certain program or protocol a lot of times guys don't realize that they're playing a game with treating symptoms, and that's all they end up doing is putting Band-Aids here and there.
    Once you mess with one hormonal level there's a good chance it's going to fuck with others, it's a Cascade of events. And there's a lot of drugs out there that have off label properties that find their way into therapeutic treatments, but because of some people's narrow perspective they wouldn't know about it.

    Don't be a rope-a-dope and fall for the trt trend, I strongly encourage people to avoid going on if there's other methods, even starting off with gels and patches or implants is not off the table.

    BEAR IN MIND THAT SYNTHETIC TESTOSTERONE IS NOT GOING TO MAKE YOUR BODY RESPOND LIKE IT'S YOUR TESTOSTERONE. YOUR BODY WILL NEVER TRULY RESPOND TO SYNTHETIC TESTOSTERONE LIKE IT DOES TO YOUR NATURAL TESTOSTERONE.

    Good luck.

    And don't settle for a one size fits all approach!!!!!!
    Thank you, great insight. I agree, Iím starting with my doc that Iíve had for decades to see what he can do. My labs came back with 147 test.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GYMnTONIC View Post
    Clomid at 25mgs ed is the very first step a patient "can" take when they approach an Endocrinologist. For instance I worked with Metabolic Dr. and that was one option. I have seen the average hypogonadal patient acheive about 600-1000 n/dL levels on that dosage. So you would be in a healthy, non superphysiological range.

    HCG also can be used as HRT. Though it is suppressive.

    As for AI's like Multi said, unless you "need" it, don't use one. On HRT, I would say the majority of patients I dealt with in the Medical field, did not need one "IF" they stayed on true HRT dosages. HRT dosages are not "cycles". This new generation thinks 500mgs of Test per week is HRT. That is a cycle.

    What we found best was administering 100mgs of Test Cyp/E every 4th day. We also administered or O'Connor (Metabolic Dr) HCG at 250-500iu 2x per week. With the addition of the HCG you may indeed see a little bit more estrogen while on cycle.

    Nevertheless if you do need an AI, on HRT, I personally have seen way to high of dosages. What I use with my guys and what I prefer is Exemestane, and we will start out as low as 6.25mgs e3d. You will see an increase in free testosterone when taking something like EXEM alongside your HRT dosages.

    Also jump on some liver support. What alot of newbies or even AAS abusers don't realize, is that your body metabolizes Testosterone. Their is an indvidual response based on how "YOU" metabolze testosterone. The healthier your organs and liver, the more likely you are going to metabolize testosterone better. Guys with massive stress to their organs will then test their levels and blame the brand for being poor quality when many times it is because their body is so taxed it is metabolizing testosterone poorly.

    This is what I use myself and with clients. I didn't come here intending to sell you something but I certainly will show you what it is I carry, use and sell.

    Another tip I will give you is to rotate injection sites constantly. The body will absorb and do much better with fresh muscle tissue, then if you keep injecting into the same area. Oil can build up in that site and not only slow down absorption rates, but it can also form an abcess or pre-abcess.

    Easiest place for a newbie are the glutes, shoulders and pecs. I personally do not suggest Quads bc the rate of Preabcess, lumps and pain is the highest of any injection area in my experiences with patients, clients and personally.

    If you need a legit TRT option that will prescribe you an actual decent amount of Test and 100% legal you can uise my buddies place
    www.titanmedicalcenter.com

    Good luck

    Organ and Liver support

    http://stores.gymntonic.com/c-e-r-t-...ged-nutrition/
    Great info, appreciate it!


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    Quote Originally Posted by GYMnTONIC View Post
    Clomid at 25mgs ed is the very first step a patient "can" take when they approach an Endocrinologist. For instance I worked with Metabolic Dr. and that was one option. I have seen the average hypogonadal patient acheive about 600-1000 n/dL levels on that dosage. So you would be in a healthy, non superphysiological range.

    HCG also can be used as HRT. Though it is suppressive.

    As for AI's like Multi said, unless you "need" it, don't use one. On HRT, I would say the majority of patients I dealt with in the Medical field, did not need one "IF" they stayed on true HRT dosages. HRT dosages are not "cycles". This new generation thinks 500mgs of Test per week is HRT. That is a cycle.

    What we found best was administering 100mgs of Test Cyp/E every 4th day. We also administered or O'Connor (Metabolic Dr) HCG at 250-500iu 2x per week. With the addition of the HCG you may indeed see a little bit more estrogen while on cycle.

    Nevertheless if you do need an AI, on HRT, I personally have seen way to high of dosages. What I use with my guys and what I prefer is Exemestane, and we will start out as low as 6.25mgs e3d. You will see an increase in free testosterone when taking something like EXEM alongside your HRT dosages.

    Also jump on some liver support. What alot of newbies or even AAS abusers don't realize, is that your body metabolizes Testosterone. Their is an indvidual response based on how "YOU" metabolze testosterone. The healthier your organs and liver, the more likely you are going to metabolize testosterone better. Guys with massive stress to their organs will then test their levels and blame the brand for being poor quality when many times it is because their body is so taxed it is metabolizing testosterone poorly.

    This is what I use myself and with clients. I didn't come here intending to sell you something but I certainly will show you what it is I carry, use and sell.

    Another tip I will give you is to rotate injection sites constantly. The body will absorb and do much better with fresh muscle tissue, then if you keep injecting into the same area. Oil can build up in that site and not only slow down absorption rates, but it can also form an abcess or pre-abcess.

    Easiest place for a newbie are the glutes, shoulders and pecs. I personally do not suggest Quads bc the rate of Preabcess, lumps and pain is the highest of any injection area in my experiences with patients, clients and personally.

    If you need a legit TRT option that will prescribe you an actual decent amount of Test and 100% legal you can uise my buddies place
    www.titanmedicalcenter.com

    Good luck

    Organ and Liver support

    http://stores.gymntonic.com/c-e-r-t-...ged-nutrition/
    I love the Clomid option. Iíll confer with doc about that and might try that first. Sounds like you went that direction originally?

    I like the organ support you sell. I currently take the three compounds individually but nice and easy when wrapped.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bdawg View Post
    I love the Clomid option. Iíll confer with doc about that and might try that first. Sounds like you went that direction originally?

    I like the organ support you sell. I currently take the three compounds individually but nice and easy when wrapped.


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    I did not personally

    I administered these meds when my career was in the medical field and I still monitor clients. Several of my natural clients chose this and still run it to this day.

    You can stay on Clomid for months and months as long as you can tolerate it with no sides.

    Some sides are blurred vision, acne and mood swings. Acne and mood swings are somewhat common. Blurred vision is not.

    Clomid is a SERM. Think about sarms like s4 and s23. They also have reports of temporary vision disturbances. S23 can dry your eyes out and s4 can turn your vision yellow.

    Clomid is far safer and has long term studies. I have one client who was a 300n/dL and all natural lifetime. We put him on 25 mgs Clomid ed and he regularly tests out at 1100n/dL. Super impressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GYMnTONIC View Post
    As for AI's like Multi said, unless you "need" it, don't use one. On HRT, I would say the majority of patients I dealt with in the Medical field, did not need one "IF" they stayed on true HRT dosages. HRT dosages are not "cycles". This new generation thinks 500mgs of Test per week is HRT. That is a cycle.
    Spot on and great advise all around, I do think you could change the 500mgs to 200mgs in this line tho, everyone thinks 200mgs a week is TRT also and that is basically a mini cycle, its puts my test at like 1400-1800 and I start needing an ai (all be it a very small dose of AI, 0.5mg twice a week, and I can go up to 300MG on just this much AI), having your test at 500-800 really would be TRT imo as its a more common naturual range but nobody takes that small of test doses for their TRT these days, for me this is like 100MG a week, I have to put my dosage down to 160MG or lower to completely avoid any AI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MustardTiger View Post
    Spot on and great advise all around, I do think you could change the 500mgs to 200mgs in this line tho, everyone thinks 200mgs a week is TRT also and that is basically a mini cycle, its puts my test at like 1400-1800 and I start needing an ai (all be it a very small dose of AI, 0.5mg twice a week, and I can go up to 300MG on just this much AI), having your test at 500-800 really would be TRT imo as its a more common naturual range but nobody takes that small of test doses for their TRT these days, for me this is like 100MG a week, I have to put my dosage down to 160MG or lower to completely avoid any AI.
    Curious... do you start to get some estrogen sides and then treat it with an AI or do you look at labs to determine?


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    Quote Originally Posted by GYMnTONIC View Post
    I did not personally

    I administered these meds when my career was in the medical field and I still monitor clients. Several of my natural clients chose this and still run it to this day.

    You can stay on Clomid for months and months as long as you can tolerate it with no sides.

    Some sides are blurred vision, acne and mood swings. Acne and mood swings are somewhat common. Blurred vision is not.

    Clomid is a SERM. Think about sarms like s4 and s23. They also have reports of temporary vision disturbances. S23 can dry your eyes out and s4 can turn your vision yellow.

    Clomid is far safer and has long term studies. I have one client who was a 300n/dL and all natural lifetime. We put him on 25 mgs Clomid ed and he regularly tests out at 1100n/dL. Super impressive.
    Great info! Example... say clomid works for me and I want to cycle twice annually... I stop clomid twice a year for the cycles, which provides my body a break from clomid and able to maintain this schedule for long term?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bdawg View Post
    Great info! Example... say clomid works for me and I want to cycle twice annually... I stop clomid twice a year for the cycles, which provides my body a break from clomid and able to maintain this schedule for long term?

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    Yes sir you got it. The length of time you run Clomid is determined by lab work. And I will tell you this. I have seen THOUSANDs of labs so you can trust me on this. HPTA takes 2-12 months to return. The older you are, the more cycles you have used, the harder is to return your body to Natural HPTA production "IF" you can.

    Studies PROVE that many AAS users, even from 1 cycle can shut down their baseline and lose hundreds of nanograms.

    For instance I can have a client with an 800 nano level natural run a cycle for 4 months. He can come off and we can do clomid for 3-4 months and he returns to a 6-700 level. He gets off for 3 months, retests and now he is at a 3-400 nano level.

    This is VERY common. One cycle is all it takes to lower your baseline. The good thing is Clomid can keep you at a higher level. The bad thing is that people test while on clomid and foolishly think that is their "baseline". That is not your baseline. Clomid is an exaggerated but healthy exaggeration of what you naturally produce.

    If you are lucky, you cycle clomid and you gain an increase in your current situation. For instance I have several clients who have had a 300 nano level. They jump on clomid and they are at 800-1000. They get off after a few months and then retest and they are now a 600 nano.

    Huge improvement in a hypogonadal patient.

    My apologies if none of this makes sense, but hopefully it does.

    Ty for the purchase and enjoy. I take 2 caps a day. 1-2 caps a day is all you need. 1 for HRT, and 2 if you are a long time AAS user or abuser. NAC, tyrosine and tudca protect liver lungs, heart and kidneys. I only wish I started them in my 20s when I was abusing AAS and competing for 20+ years.

    Glad to share the info that I have learned along the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bdawg View Post
    Curious... do you start to get some estrogen sides and then treat it with an AI or do you look at labs to determine?


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    I get sensitive nipples which the AI fixes within hours of taking it, no I never took labs while I had the sensitive nipples but I try not taking the AI a lot just to see if I can do it then the senstive nips come, if I take more test I have to take it more often 400-600MG I am taking 0.5mg anastrozole every other day or every day, 180-350MG and 0.5MG twice a week is enough, masteron or primo don't change the AI I need either.

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