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    Taking high reps to failure

    I see some of the old school guys would use relatively light weight and were huge. They would just pump the muscle with high volume til it was hitting failure. Do you feel that this training method is more for genetic freaks or works for everyone?


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    I remember Arnold called these guys "pump" masters or something.

    To build real muscle with density that last? Heavy weight.

    Guys I have known who have some success with this....as soon as they take a break from the gym, they shrink up real fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Augustine5I View Post
    I remember Arnold called these guys "pump" masters or something.

    To build real muscle with density that last? Heavy weight.

    Guys I have known who have some success with this....as soon as they take a break from the gym, they shrink up real fast.
    Is this the reason behind a high volume and later in the week. A heavy day.?

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    Different stimulus provide different forms of hypertrophy. Sarcoplasmic and myofibrillar are trained different ways.


    Granted the big guys have mutations surrounding muscle protein synthesis and their body doesnít turn it off when itís supposed to.

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    I personally believe it is 100% genetics.

    Most of those monsters that can lift light weights, for super high reps, are mesomorphs. I have trained hundreds, if not over a thousand of them and I have to say it is the most gifted body type of all.

    One of my good friends who started competing in the 90s with me. He is to this day massive. Always was bigger then me. Looked like a Pro bodybuilder at 21. Probably 20+ inch arms, and just a beautiful physique.

    Now I weighed 50-100lbs less then him and I trained with probably 25-50% heavier weights. I'm an ectomorph and I had to literally train at 90-100% of my max just to bodybuild. But I had much much more explosive strength then these mesomorphs.

    I think that each one of us has a gift. The endomorphs of course, I can have those clients gain 30-50lbs in one cycle. Not muscle, but water, fat, muscle combined.


    So yeah I think it's 100% genetics based on my experiences.

    I know I can lift light weights for high reps all day and all I get is a pump and smaller leaner muscles. No thanks.

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    Totally get what ur saying. Kinda like the time under tension training with really light weight


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    Quote Originally Posted by stinkfingerdelux View Post
    Is this the reason behind a high volume and later in the week. A heavy day.?

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    Periodization training....

    Say you had a change every 3 months, alternating loads from light, moderate and heavy.

    Stimulus changes which is good. Body gets a rest from the heavy weights.

    I know I train to heavy all year round. I can't help myself. Even if I tell myself I will go easier, I still end up lifting pretty heavy. It's just a competitive part of me. Compete ting with myself and others.

    But genetics play a big part as Wes said. Some guys walk around with a six pack all year long without even trying.

    I tried doing German giant sets (100 reps at a time). Got pumped and a good burn but not my style.

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    Ill throw in some nerd shit. The research says that 5-30 reps can produce the "same hypertrophy" as long as within the same proximity to failure. In reality tho, say the arm, as stated above, there's 2 diff types of hypertrophy. Imo heavier weights, 4-8 reps for example, will produce more contractile tissue vs mainly fluid(sarcoplasmic). So, will the arm be the same size? Yea. BUT it's not the same imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by GYMnTONIC View Post
    I personally believe it is 100% genetics.

    Most of those monsters that can lift light weights, for super high reps, are mesomorphs. I have trained hundreds, if not over a thousand of them and I have to say it is the most gifted body type of all.

    One of my good friends who started competing in the 90s with me. He is to this day massive. Always was bigger then me. Looked like a Pro bodybuilder at 21. Probably 20+ inch arms, and just a beautiful physique.

    Now I weighed 50-100lbs less then him and I trained with probably 25-50% heavier weights. I'm an ectomorph and I had to literally train at 90-100% of my max just to bodybuild. But I had much much more explosive strength then these mesomorphs.

    I think that each one of us has a gift. The endomorphs of course, I can have those clients gain 30-50lbs in one cycle. Not muscle, but water, fat, muscle combined.


    So yeah I think it's 100% genetics based on my experiences.

    I know I can lift light weights for high reps all day and all I get is a pump and smaller leaner muscles. No thanks.
    Agree with this completely. Its based on genetics.

    Train the way you like, and take advantage of the things you are good at.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BodybuilderZepp View Post
    Agree with this completely. Its based on genetics.

    Train the way you like, and take advantage of the things you are good at.


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    Yes.

    But, there is a necessity to train with both.

    Bc all muscle had type I and type II fibers.

    Some have more of one then the other.

    Thatís why drop sets work. You can for example do 100 pounds for only 10 reps, but immediately lower the weight to 70 and you can do a few more.

    Recruiting more muscle fibers.

    I guess variety is key. Train like a powerlifter and thatís how you look.


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    In my experience, if youíre using gear and your getting older and youve has injuries piling up.... then itís worth a shot to try for yourself... I definitely get stronger and can push heavier loads after training in the 6-8 rep scheme but as far as aesthetics goes, high volume yields better results. My muscle pumps are better and they feel and look fuller throughout the day.

    Itís all relative to your goals. But, I agree with switching it up. I used to switch it to by the seasons .... winter = heavier lifting/less cardio more food.... summer= high volume/lighter loads less foods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milford King View Post
    In my experience, if youíre using gear and your getting older and youve has injuries piling up.... then itís worth a shot to try for yourself... I definitely get stronger and can push heavier loads after training in the 6-8 rep scheme but as far as aesthetics goes, high volume yields better results. My muscle pumps are better and they feel and look fuller throughout the day.

    Itís all relative to your goals. But, I agree with switching it up. I used to switch it to by the seasons .... winter = heavier lifting/less cardio more food.... summer= high volume/lighter loads less foods.
    Perfect advice bro.


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