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Bill Of Rights. Bet this will be unpopular

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In the summer of 1787, delegates from the 13 states convened in Philadelphia and drafted a remarkable blueprint for self-government -- the Constitution of the United States. The first draft set up a system of checks and balances that included a strong executive branch, a representative legislature and a federal judiciary.
The Constitution was remarkable, but deeply flawed. For one thing, it did not include a specific declaration - or bill - of individual rights. It specified what the government could do but did not say what it could not do. For another, it did not apply to everyone. The "consent of the governed" meant propertied white men only.
The absence of a "bill of rights" turned out to be an obstacle to the Constitution's ratification by the states. It would take four more years of intense debate before the new government's form would be resolved. The Federalists opposed including a bill of rights on the ground that it was unnecessary. The Anti-Federalists, who were afraid of a strong centralized government, refused to support the Constitution without one.
In the end, popular sentiment was decisive. Recently freed from the despotic English monarchy, the American people wanted strong guarantees that the new government would not trample upon their newly won freedoms of speech, press and religion, nor upon their right to be free from warrantless searches and seizures. So, the Constitution's framers heeded Thomas Jefferson who argued: "A bill of rights is what the people are entitled to against every government on earth, general or particular, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference."
The American Bill of Rights, inspired by Jefferson and drafted by James Madison, was adopted, and in 1791 the Constitution's first ten amendments became the law of the land.


Limitied Government

Early American mistrust of government power came from the colonial experience itself. Most historians believe that the pivotal event was the Stamp Act, passed by the English Parliament in 1765. Taxes were imposed on every legal and business document. Newspapers, books and pamphlets were also taxed. Even more than the taxes themselves, the Americans resented the fact that they were imposed by a distant government in which they were not represented. And they were further enraged by the ways in which the Stamp Act was enforced.
Armed with "writs of assistance" issued by Parliament, British customs inspectors entered people's homes even if they had no evidence of a Stamp Act violation, and ransacked the people's belongings in search of contraband. The colonialists came to hate these "warrantless" searches and they became a rallying point for opposition to British rule.
From these experiences came a uniquely American view of power and liberty as natural enemies. The nation's founders believed that containing the government's power and protecting liberty was their most important task, and declared a new purpose for government: the protection of individual rights.
The protection of rights was not the government's only purpose. It was still expected to protect the community against foreign and domestic threats, to ensure economic growth, and to conduct foreign affairs. It was not, however, the government's job to tell people how to live their lives, what religion to believe in, or what to write about in a pamphlet or newspaper. In this sense, the idea of individual rights is the oldest and most traditional of American values.


"Certain Unalienable Rights"

Democracy and liberty are often thought to be the same thing, but they are not.

Democracy means that people ought to be able to vote for public officials in fair elections, and make most political decisions by majority rule.
Liberty, on the other hand, means that even in a democracy, individuals have rights that no majority should be able to take away.

The rights that the Constitution's framers wanted to protect from government abuse were referred to in the Declaration of Independence as "unalienable rights." They were also called "natural" rights, and to James Madison, they were "the great rights of mankind." Although it is commonly thought that we are entitled to free speech because the First Amendment gives it to us, this country's original citizens believed that as human beings, they were entitled to free speech, and they invented the First Amendment in order to protect it. The entire Bill of Rights was created to protect rights the original citizens believed were naturally theirs, including:

  • Freedom of Religion
    • The right to exercise one's own religion, or no religion, free from any government influence or compulsion.
  • Freedom of Speech, Press, Petition, and Assembly
    • Even unpopular expression is protected from government suppression or censorship.
  • Privacy
    • ​The right to be free of unwarranted and unwanted government intrusion into one's personal and private affairs, papers, and possessions.
  • Due Process of Law
    • ​The right to be treated fairly by the government whenever the loss of liberty or property is at stake.
  • Equality Before the Law
    • ​The right to be treated equally before the law, regardless of social status.


​"An Impenetrable Bulwark" of Liberty

The Bill of Rights established soaring principles that guaranteed the most fundamental rights in very general terms. But from the beginning, real live cases arose that raised difficult questions about how, and even if, the Bill of Rights would be applied. Before the paper rights could become actual rights, someone had to interpret what the language of the Bill of Rights meant in specific situations. Who would be the final arbiter of how the Constitution should be applied?
At first, the answer was unclear. Thomas Jefferson thought that the federal judiciary should have that power; James Madison agreed that a system of independent courts would be "an impenetrable bulwark" of liberty. But the Constitution did not make this explicit, and the issue would not be resolved until 1803. That year, for the first time, the U.S. Supreme Court struck down an act of Congress as unconstitutional in a case called Marbury v. Madison. Although the facts of this case were fairly mundane (a dispute over the Secretary of State's refusal to commission four judges appointed by the Senate), the principle it established - that the Supreme Court had the power to nullify acts of Congress that violated the Constitution - turned out to be the key to the development and protection of most of the rights Americans enjoy today. According to one eminent legal scholar, the independent judiciary was "America's most distinctive contribution to constitutionalism."


Cases or Controversies

The judicial branch of the new government was different from the legislative and executive branches in one very important respect: the courts did not have the power to initiate action by themselves. Congress could pass laws and the President could issue executive orders, but courts could not review these actions on their own initiative. Courts had to wait until a dispute - a "case or controversy" - broke out between real people who had something to gain or lose by the outcome. And as it turned out, the people whose rights were most vulnerable to governmental abuse had least capacity to sue.
Thus, although the power of judicial review was established in 1803, more than a century would pass before the Supreme Court even had many opportunities to protect individual rights. For 130 years after ratification, the most notable thing about the Bill of Rights was its almost total lack of implementation by the courts. By the beginning of the 20th century, racial segregation was legal and pervaded all aspects of American society. Sex discrimination was firmly institutionalized and workers were arrested for labor union activities. Legal immigrants were deported for their political views, the police used physical coercion to extract confessions from criminal suspects, and members of minority religions were victims of persecution. As late as 1920, the U.S. Supreme Court had never once struck down any law or governmental action on First Amendment grounds.
The most common constitutional violations went unchallenged because the people whose rights were most often denied were precisely those members of society who were least aware of their rights and least able to afford a lawyer. They had no access to those impenetrable bulwarks of liberty - the courts. The Bill of Rights was like an engine no one knew how to start.


In the Public Interest

In 1920, a small group of visionaries came together to discuss how to start the engine. Led by Roger Baldwin, a social worker and labor activist, the group included Crystal Eastman, Albert DeSilver, Jane Addams, Felix Frankfurter, Helen Keller and Arthur Garfield Hayes. They formed the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and dedicated themselves to holding the government to the Bill of Rights' promises.
The ACLU, the NAACP, founded in 1909, and labor unions, whose very right to exist had not yet been recognized by the courts, began to challenge constitutional violations in court on behalf of those who had been previously shut out. This was the beginning of what has come to be known as public interest law. They provided the missing ingredient that made our constitutional system and Bill of Rights finally work.
Although they had few early victories, these organizations began to create a body of law that made First Amendment freedoms, privacy rights, and the principles of equality and fundamental fairness come alive. Gradually, the Bill of Rights was transformed from a "parchment barrier" to a protective wall that increasingly shielded each individual's unalienable rights from the reach of government.
Enormous progress was made between 1954 and 1973, when many rights long dormant became enforceable. Today, those achievements are being heavily challenged by a movement dedicated to rolling back the reach and effectiveness of the Bill of Rights and to undermining the independence of our courts.
The development of the Bill of Rights was a pivotal event in the long story of liberty, but it is a story that is still unfolding.


Rights, But Not for Everyone

The Bill of Rights seemed to be written in broad language that excluded no one, but in fact, it was not intended to protect all the people - whole groups were left out. Women were second-class citizens, essentially the property of their husbands, unable even to vote until 1920, when the 19th Amendment was passed and ratified.
Native Americans were entirely outside the constitutional system, defined as an alien people in their own land. They were governed not by ordinary American laws, but by federal treaties and statutes that stripped tribes of most of their land and much of their autonomy. The Bill of Rights was in force for nearly 135 years before Congress granted Native Americans U.S. citizenship.
And it was well understood that there was a "race exception" to the Constitution. Slavery was this country's original sin. For the first 78 years after it was ratified, the Constitution protected slavery and legalized racial subordination. Instead of constitutional rights, slaves were governed by "slave codes" that controlled every aspect of their lives. They had no access to the rule of law: they could not go to court, make contracts, or own any property. They could be whipped, branded, imprisoned without trial, and hanged. In short, as one infamous Supreme Court opinion declared: "Blacks had no rights which the white man was bound to respect."
It would take years of struggle and a bloody civil war before additional amendments to the Constitution were passed, giving slaves and their descendants the full rights of citizenship - at least on paper:

  • The 13th Amendment abolished slavery;
  • The 14th Amendment guatanteed to African Americans the right of due process and equal protection of the law;
  • The 15th Amendment gave them the right to vote;
But it would take a century more of struggle before these rights were effectively enforced.

Preamble


Congress of the United States begun and held at the City of New-York, on Wednesday the fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.
THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.
RESOLVED by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following Articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as amendments to the Constitution of the United States, all, or any of which Articles, when ratified by three fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of the said Constitution; viz.
ARTICLES in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the Legislatures of the several States, pursuant to the fifth Article of the original Constitution.


First Amendment

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Second Amendment

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Third Amendment

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner; nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Fourth Amendment

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Fifth Amendment

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself; nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation.
Sixth Amendment

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed; which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor; and to have the assistance of counsel for his defence.
Seventh Amendment

In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury shall be otherwise reexamined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of common law.
Eighth Amendment

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Ninth Amendment

The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Tenth Amendment

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

This is all from the aclu.com website yes the aclu is more American than you. Be a better person and a Better American!


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Anyways my flag waving is done for the day fuck off
 
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Yall going to let the Bill of rights die in the pit? Let's see how long i can keep it alive maybe some of you will actually read it dicks
 
This is interesting. I have always thought the people hunger for human rights. Look at the great documents that all wrestle with freedom ? Magna Carta, Declaration of independence, Bill of rights, and yes, the Comunist Manifesto. Today I feel that Asia ( China ) is to backwards on human rights. I also think a new document is in the works for a global great reset ?
 
This is interesting. I have always thought the people hunger for human rights. Look at the great documents that all wrestle with freedom ? Magna Carta, Declaration of independence, Bill of rights, and yes, the Comunist Manifesto. Today I feel that Asia ( China ) is to backwards on human rights. I also think a new document is in the works for a global great reset ?

Yep I agree words can't capture the safety and health that we as living beings need but we have to start somewhere and this is a good place to start. Yes its very easy to look at other countries and say they're wrong (they fucking are wrong) but we can change things here. Be better Americans! Thank you for your honest take and for expressing your constitutional rights granted to you by the Bill Of Rights
 
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If you feel some kinda way about this country you can pm me maybe if you're a good person ill send you a faceless consensual nude of one of many attractive women I've fucked. Well I don't have any dudes but you'll be okay there's lots of dicks in this world
 
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Having a hard time getting this thread going, huh? I'll throw something out there, since you brought up the ACLU. The ACLU has been remarkably quiet during the whole covid thing. Where are they? There was a time they came out every time a gnat farted. Now, nothing. Why aren't they running rampant on freedom of religion, right to assemble, and free speech? Is it because they are as corrupt as the govt they always said they were trying to keep in line?
 
Having a hard time getting this thread going, huh? I'll throw something out there, since you brought up the ACLU. The ACLU has been remarkably quiet during the whole covid thing. Where are they? There was a time they came out every time a gnat farted. Now, nothing. Why aren't they running rampant on freedom of religion, right to assemble, and free speech? Is it because they are as corrupt as the govt they always said they were trying to keep in line?

Living Through these last months of tyrannical government, suppression of rights, loss of freedoms, etc... its pleasing to the mind to know that many of us still think free and clear!

Where is Clint Eastwood


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ACLU is a joke. They haven’t shown up because they only care when they can exploit race or sexual preference for monetary gain.

Funny to bring up the constitution at a time like this when we’re on the verge of putting a communist in the White House.
 
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Having a hard time getting this thread going, huh? I'll throw something out there, since you brought up the ACLU. The ACLU has been remarkably quiet during the whole covid thing. Where are they? There was a time they came out every time a gnat farted. Now, nothing. Why aren't they running rampant on freedom of religion, right to assemble, and free speech? Is it because they are as corrupt as the govt they always said they were trying to keep in line?

Yes people don't actual like freedom or this country. It's a difficult sell to say that people we don't know or may disagree with for whatever reason deserve the same things we want. The aclu is just a troll. This is about the Bill of Rights and how people don't want to admitbthat their issue is racism and they don't love this country. If you don't agree with the us Constitution and the Bill of rights then you don't love America. As far as covid and the aclu i don't think its entirely they're wheel house. Its a public health matter and the specialize in the protection of freedoms of disenfranchised predominantly poor minorities. However they also represent plenty of white people too its just not as news worthy i guess? Also they get most of there cases the same way most lawyers or law firms do. People bring them to them. Contact them and see what they say. There is a real debate on how much public health is worth personal freedoms. It's a bit dumb and a lame duck idea but hey its your choice granted to you by the Bill of Rights thanks America
 
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Living Through these last months of tyrannical government, suppression of rights, loss of freedoms, etc... its pleasing to the mind to know that many of us still think free and clear!

Where is Clint Eastwood


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So Trump is tryanical? This is your position? I'll take that given that all of this has happened under his administration and his very heavy handed guidance. But thats besides the point the aclu is not a government agency its non profit corporation and according to us law (you can Google it i don't agree with it personally but whatever) corporations are private citizens its called corporate personhood. It effectively makes them a human being which grants them some of the same rights that all legal us citizens have. Thats right the Bill of rights applies to them too. So basically they don't have to do anything other than exist and follow the law.

What does Clint Eastwood have to do with anything? Isn't he a well know liberal and environmental conservative?
 
ACLU is a joke. They haven’t shown up because they only care when they can exploit race or sexual preference for monetary gain.

Funny to bring up the constitution at a time like this when we’re on the verge of putting a communist in the White House.

Again contact them there is a case there but yes that is all they care about. Thats what they specialize in and I know this is a shocker but non profits are still corporations and as such they're main focus is still profits. It honestly should be criminal how much we let noon profits get away with but hey this is a discussion about the Bill of rights and as i mentioned before it applies to them to at the moment
 
I voted Trump2020

The tyranny I referred to is on state and local levels with lockdowns, closing of schools, curfews, mask mandates, businesses being controlled by government, telling us what is essential amd what isn’t essential, etc....

All in the name of public health and safety, it’s totally bullshit. All of it.

Make sure you read around some and you’ll learn who the liberals are, I’m sure the fuck not one amd never have been, capiche.


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Clint Eastwood is a cool mofo member who posts on our liberties and our freedoms ... stick around hopefully he’ll be back around soon


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Yes people don't actual like freedom or this country.

Yeah Biden just racked up 77.5m votes, we’re well aware.

And if you’re worried about racism you better buckle up because there’s a chance he’ll win.
 
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I voted Trump2020

The tyranny I referred to is on state and local levels with lockdowns, closing of schools, curfews, mask mandates, businesses being controlled by government, telling us what is essential amd what isn’t essential, etc....

All in the name of public health and safety, it’s totally bullshit. All of it.

Make sure you read around some and you’ll learn who the liberals are, I’m sure the fuck not one amd never have been, capiche.


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Huhhh i know I'm trolling you in an attempt to get everyone here to seriously read the Bill of rights and think about how it applies to all legal us citizens not just the ones we like. Thats how you protect the innocent people of a nation. Otherwise anyone can say you're a bad guy and kill you. It's that simple fellas

Just read it

I don't care about anyone's political stance. This is a non partisan (not biased or partisan, especially toward any particular political group)
 
Clint Eastwood is a cool mofo member who posts on our liberties and our freedoms ... stick around hopefully he’ll be back around soon


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Yes I think I've seen him before. He's more than welcome to express his us Constitution rights grant to him through the Bill of rights with me.
 
Yeah Biden just racked up 77.5m votes, we’re well aware.

And if you’re worried about racism you better buckle up because there’s a chance he’ll win.

I don't care (kinda) because this is a discussion on the Bill of rights. Not hypothetical fantasies about the world ending because of an elected official. But hey you get to say that about the next us president because of you guessed it the us Bill of rights
 
Huhhh i know I'm trolling you in an attempt to get everyone here to seriously read the Bill of rights and think about how it applies to all legal us citizens not just the ones we like. Thats how you protect the innocent people of a nation. Otherwise anyone can say you're a bad guy and kill you. It's that simple fellas

Just read it

I don't care about anyone's political stance. This is a non partisan (not biased or partisan, especially toward any particular political group)

Who told you it doesn’t apply to every American citizen?? Of course it does I don’t think anyone would disagree here.
 
I don't care (kinda) because this is a discussion on the Bill of rights. Not hypothetical fantasies about the world ending because of an elected official. But hey you get to say that about the next us president because of you guessed it the us Bill of rights

You have quite the imagination I’ll give you that.
 
Who told you it doesn’t apply to every American citizen?? Of course it does I don’t think anyone would disagree here.

Great job. Now keep thinking about that

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You have quite the imagination I’ll give you that.

I know I'm pretty great and very attractive in the face (yeah really)
 
Do you think a document that has as primary tenant's -

Universal Heathcote

Universal minimum income

Open boarders throughout the Nato nations

Really twisted I know but I hear rumors ?
 
Do you think a document that has as primary tenant's -

Universal Heathcote

Universal minimum income

Open boarders throughout the Nato nations

Really twisted I know but I hear rumors ?

I personally think a document of that nature is crazy (and I'm only telling you because I like you you think too.) Its just too much to make a global set of ethics and morals that direct our laws. We're all too different and belive different vastly different things and what works for one country certainly isn't going to work for ours (all the time.) Thats kinda the deal in life right you go someplace and you play by their rules unless you have the means to force them to your rules. However mightbis not always right and I certainly don't want anyone coming here and forcing me to change my country's rules (yep us Constitution and Bill of rights.) However I will say that I'm in no way sure how we should do it or where to even start (I'm personally uncomfortable with government intervention to say the least) but poor people deserve medical help equal to at least the national average for health care. Being poor shouldn't be a death sentence but again huhhhhh I don't know how to do it in a way I'm personally comfortable with. Great question I appreciate it
 
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