Help with libido

[Gains2NV]

I running test e for trt. I having an serious issue with libido and keeping it up. I can get hard but it dies after a few. For years I was on test and adex keeping test in 900 estradiol 20-35. I have tried lowering test to 600 and dropping adex, estradiol same. No difference. I had issue for a while. Cialis kinda helps but not really.

Someone recommended trying hcg. 500 or more 2-3 times a week.

Any ideas?



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[GarlicChicken]

I running test e for trt. I having an serious issue with libido and keeping it up. I can get hard but it dies after a few. For years I was on test and adex keeping test in 900 estradiol 20-35. I have tried lowering test to 600 and dropping adex, estradiol same. No difference. I had issue for a while. Cialis kinda helps but not really.

Someone recommended trying hcg. 500 or more 2-3 times a week.

Any ideas?



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Try the HCG. Makes a huge difference in libido for me now. Didn't ever need it before but it helps now.

Get some blood work. As you get older you may be getting more aromatization and your estrogen might be too high. That's been the case for me very much as I age. I need far more AI now to have proper sexual function, which sucks because I legitimately grow better with higher e2.

 

[maxmuscle1]

MT1(pt-141) or MT2 can work for men and women. Also keeping good total/free test, E2 control. Cabergoline can improve orgasms as well. So, basically bloodwork May hold the key.

Max

 

[FM19]

Have you ever ran provi or mast? Does wonders for this.

 

[GarlicChicken]

Good point guys. Free test could be the issue. Mast, proviron, or stinging nettle root all help that get higher. Too low of DHT can also cause issues, which I found out about earlier this year. I was already on stinging nettle and was having issues, adding just 150mg mast weekly made a huge difference

 

[Gains2NV]

I usually do the hormone for females panel every 6 months. Other than free test level what else should I run. I'll go get a new set of labs with more info. I usually only paid attention to total test and estradiol.

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[Gains2NV]

And I haven't ran anything else in years. Ok I'll look into hcg and even mast. I was looking at that new trt blend they have maybe I'll grab a little and give it a try.

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[Brutus6688]

Free test number is more important then total test #’s.

 

[Gains2NV]

Good point guys. Free test could be the issue. Mast, proviron, or stinging nettle root all help that get higher. Too low of DHT can also cause issues, which I found out about earlier this year. I was already on stinging nettle and was having issues, adding just 150mg mast weekly made a huge difference

How much of the root? That cheap so I'll add it anyway.

I'll do some research on hcg, mast, and proviron. Any recommendations on one over the other? I really don't care pill or shot.

Thanks guys.

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[Vision]

Here is an old post about why I personally like Mast or proviron with my TRT dose..



TRT Stack

Here's my recent bloods on 200mg Pharma script Test Cyp WITH MAST AND PROVIRON!

As many of you know I blast & cruise, more blasting than cruising with switch hitting.. I had blood work that was expected to be pulled from my Doc, he actually forgot and I had to remind him, it worked out well because I wanted to come off for a bit and do a little small cruise (6 weeks'ish) and give my CNS a moment to recoup as well as giving my REC's a brake..

I figured this would also be a great opportunity to take advantage of Masteron and Proviron used in conjunction with my TRT.. For the following reasons to keep libido strong, depression at a low at the same time optimizing the most out of my TRT dosage..

The addition with Proviron & Masteron is that it's a useful tool for the TRT user and specifically for those that cruise on low "T" doses who wish to inhibit the conversion of T to estrogen. By inhibiting the aromatase enzyme, Masteron would be in effect blocking the conversion of free testosterone to estrogen by the aromatization pathway Yielding great levels of Free usable test. This would not only serve to marginally increase the amounts of active free testosterone in circulation (thus giving a greater effect of the testosterone during a TRT treatment or cruise).. With this said, I was just using 200mgs Script test-cyp E7D (with script adex .5 E3D) and Masteron-200 E7D and proviron at 50mg ED this ultimately created a match made in heaven, a complimentary duo!

Bloods were pulled 3 days after last pin and I was fasted and the panel was a sensitive essay (I wanted to see if my BS levels would effect estrogen total serum by way of estrone elevation due to fasting).. I have BS issues along with a family history of diabetes, the serum levels were extremely high and I doubt there was cross-reactivity of anything else due to the fact that E2 was low.. Being in a fasted state seems to be the culprit..

Further more, people tend to put blood serum numbers in a standard range of expectancy.. I've always advocated that I'm a slow/low metabolizer, even at 200mg which is the high end of TRT treatment and I barely scraped the high end.. It proves that this truly is NOT a one size fits all..

My closing comments : Libido was great, appetite was strong and I have no complaints, my sense of well-being was on point..The extreme low SHBG levels IMO are directly associated with the mast/prov, thus the result of low estro and higher free T..This can explain why I continued to feel great even after lowering my T dosage significantly..

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This goes to prove that you really don't need much test.. I laughed when I see guys chasing a total serum number, they are expecting numbers in or around the 3k + range and they believe that this is where you need to be in order to make the most progress.. I will say this again, stop chasing total serums and focus on free test levels.. people can have 3000 of bound test and that doesn't mean anything, in fact that testosterone is useless..

People should incorporate compounds that are complementary with freeing up bound testosterone into more bioavailable testosterone..

The moral of my point, is free up your test levels and let all of the other compounds be the workhorse..

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I would rather have several hundred work horses, compared to 3000 useless horses..

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If you have no energy, gain fat easily, having trouble putting on muscle, have a low libido, and suffer from depression, you may need TRT.
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ART is also employed after a cycle/blast for those that wish to stay "ON" to lessen the effects of being shut down, as user may notice changes caused by a relative decline in testosterone: TRT is employed to avoid fewer erections, fatigue, thinning skin, declining muscle mass and strength, more body fat. Dissatisfaction with these changes causes some users to lose appetite, and most gains made during their cycle. Most of all, TRT/cruise is utilized to help keep that healthy state of well-being while giving their body a rest between cycles/blasts..

The addition of Masteron in the blend is partially due to its anti-estrogen properties, and we say this for great reason. Masteron is a derivative of DHT (dihydrotestosterone) and does not convert to estrogen through the means of aromatization. It is thought that the anti-estrogenic properties of Masteron may be in part to do with either an inhibition in some way of the aromatase enzyme or an interaction with estrogen itself in a way which blocks receptor binding of the estrogen.

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[FarbeyondDriven]

I' have the same issue as well. I am very sensitive to the changes in test/estro/dht etc. Sometimes I go thru weeks where I'm really horny and other weeks I won't be able to sustain an erection, almost like I'm taking deca. It's strange. And the weird part is that I keep my amounts of everything the same. Sometimes our bodies change due to many things. I'm still figuring it out.

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[A.font401]

Sometimes it’s all about that free test gentleman. 50mg provi will work wonders!

 

[salvaje1028]

I been doing test C n Mast E for a while now best stack for me 200 to 250 of T n 400 M a week no Ai for me estrogen high but no sides dont use you need estrogen for libido my is high no problem n im 53 years gains are hard n dry you can check my blood test on dutchpharma test was 3500 estrogen 150 blood lipids good everything good hdl low but thats expected i follow broderick chavez check him out on you tube very smart guy


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[Vision]

I been doing test C n Mast E for a while now best stack for me 200 to 250 of T n 400 M a week no Ai for me estrogen high but no sides dont use you need estrogen for libido my is high no problem n im 53 years gains are hard n dry you can check my blood test on dutchpharma test was 3500 estrogen 150 blood lipids good everything good hdl low but thats expected i follow broderick chavez check him out on you tube very smart guy


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It is a very underestimated and misunderstood combination, people always look at the bigger picture trying to makes sense with using mast for its cosmetic purposes, all the while not a lot of people are aware of its off-label properties. I try telling people to forget about the whole lower body fat ratio concept, that we're not even using mast for that purpose with this protocol. It's being Incorporated for everything that you stated above, it does help control estrogen and whatever estrogen is in circulation is beneficial, and it is just very complimentary with testosterone..

 

[Vision]

I' have the same issue as well. I am very sensitive to the changes in test/estro/dht etc. Sometimes I go thru weeks where I'm really horny and other weeks I won't be able to sustain an erection, almost like I'm taking deca. It's strange. And the weird part is that I keep my amounts of everything the same. Sometimes our bodies change due to many things. I'm still figuring it out.

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Isn't that's something else? It is truly bizarre when you are on the same protocol and regiment with something that is basically a cookie cutter for you, then all of a sudden you start getting the side effects and other indications that things are going on that mimic and duplicate an entirely different hormone. It's funny, back at the end of July going into the beginning of August I completely removed Mast, and within a week or so I had the worst of Gyno in my life in fact it was the worst I've ever seen. it was so large it protruded out of my shirt, it came on within 48 hours, the skin was black and blue and stretching. I immediately targeted the symptoms very aggressively with tamoxifen, I did increase my arimidex but I knew that would do nothing instantly, as fast as this happened it went away just as quick, then it went to the other side.. Even worse. I've never seen anything like it and it was the moment I stopped Mast with my TRT.. I added caber at a pretty hefty breakthrough dosage. everything cleared up within 2 weeks, I pulled blood work 2 weeks after that and W2 was at 22, and my total test 1250+.. that is the highest I've ever pulled a total test on cyp at 200mg, and my bloods were 6 days out. and like you said the libido was all over the place.

 

[GYMnTONIC]

Proviron, HCG and Cialis. Thats a winning combo. I have all my guys on cycle, or off using Tada daily or EOD very low doses even. Any time they are fluctuating hormones and at the least the erections are not impacted.

Libido can be, but proviron I would say handles that with HCG very nicely.

One of the bigger issues I see all over is that many guys have issues with ejaculation. Not even about getting hard, staying hard, but rather finishing.

That's a pretty common issue and honestly I have yet to see anything legal that does a great job improving sensitivity in these users.

 

[Vision]

Proviron, HCG and Cialis. Thats a winning combo. I have all my guys on cycle, or off using Tada daily or EOD very low doses even. Any time they are fluctuating hormones and at the least the erections are not impacted.

Libido can be, but proviron I would say handles that with HCG very nicely.

One of the bigger issues I see all over is that many guys have issues with ejaculation. Not even about getting hard, staying hard, but rather finishing.

That's a pretty common issue and honestly I have yet to see anything legal that does a great job improving sensitivity in these users.

a great alternative for that is to take some buspar.. that will all set anybody that has issues for the most part with failing to achieve an orgasm. like you said for a lot of guys they have no problem showing up for the race, they just can't finish it..

buspar is really easy to get from a general practitioner, all people have to say is that they're slightly depressed and they want to add that, it's not really heavily controlled to where it will raise concerns.

in the past I would use that with my SSRI's, and I decided to experiment with it using nandrolone and it worked.

 

[anabolichow2]

Let me explain how I attack this major issue

HCG at 1000iu three times a week (Monday Wednesday Friday)
Proviron - 25mg a day (Morning)
Viagra - 25mg for emergencies

 

[Gains2NV]

Well I guess plan is to pull a new set of bloods. I normal go cheap and do female hormone panel but I'll check free t and shbg and see where they at. Still back and forth about what I want to add to help since recommendation is a mix but I'll figure it out. Just trying to add as little as possible.

Thanks for advice guys.

 

[Gains2NV]

This is most recent bloods. This is on 150 mg total a week (bi weekly pin) no ai. I was previously on 200 a week with .25 adex at pin and that got me in 800 total test and 20s for estradiol. Still had ED issues then. Dropped dose to see if I could get away with no ai.

What do you guys think looking at this. Anything pop out that could be causing ED issue? Total is a little lower than i was hoping so I may go back to old dosing. SHBG seems right on the edge is that an issue???

Any recommendations....

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[Gains2NV]

Results

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[Gains2NV]

Bloods above were on PSL test E

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[Vision]

This is most recent bloods. This is on 150 mg total a week (bi weekly pin) no ai. I was previously on 200 a week with .25 adex at pin and that got me in 800 total test and 20s for estradiol. Still had ED issues then. Dropped dose to see if I could get away with no ai.

What do you guys think looking at this. Anything pop out that could be causing ED issue? Total is a little lower than i was hoping so I may go back to old dosing. SHBG seems right on the edge is that an issue???

Any recommendations....

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The issues you are experiencing can come from so many other factors, it can come from medications if you're taking any, and even neuro secretions can do it, it doesn't necessarily have to be adrenal or hormonal related.
Now I know everyone likes to look at blood work or point to finger at hormones first, but there are so many other things I can do it. There could be genetic predispositions, I mean we can go all day.

Have you thought about incorporating HCG into your protocol?
It seems like you have attempted to do a process of elimination, and that's what you're supposed to do, with everything that you're attempting to do step by step try including HCG..

 

[GarlicChicken]

The issues you are experiencing can come from so many other factors, it can come from medications if you're taking any, and even neuro secretions can do it, it doesn't necessarily have to be adrenal or hormonal related.
Now I know everyone likes to look at blood work or point to finger at hormones first, but there are so many other things I can do it. There could be genetic predispositions, I mean we can go all day.

Have you thought about incorporating HCG into your protocol?
It seems like you have attempted to do a process of elimination, and that's what you're supposed to do, with everything that you're attempting to do step by step try including HCG..

Yeah HCG can make a marked difference in libido. A few months ago I added it in since I was having issues. It helped quite a bit. Unfortunately it still want enough to be what I consider normal though.

My next step was to add a small amount of a DHT to see what happened. Adding in a little mast did the trick.

I can't read the bloodwork, but DHT can make a big difference as well. Just something to think about.

Now I'm back to trt dose test only and I'm having the same issues again. Going to add in some HCG first again and see where it goes. I'm not sure anything will even help right now though because I'm pretty sure it's due to physical and emotional stress over the last couple months.

 

[Gains2NV]

Yeah idk why it made pic crappy.

SHBG was 11 range 10-50
T test was 464 range 250-1100
F test was 116 range 35-155
Estradiol was 45 range 0-39

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[Sponx]

HCG, Mast/Proviron, Cialis - These are powerful, especially when combined.

I have also been taking these daily and they seem to help with the orgasm/finishing and hardness: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XR5Y5KW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

[Phill]

take some aromasin or nolva and lower your estro.
your dick will thank you the morning after

 

[GarlicChicken]

Yeah idk why it made pic crappy.

SHBG was 11 range 10-50
T test was 464 range 250-1100
F test was 116 range 35-155
Estradiol was 45 range 0-39

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take some aromasin or nolva and lower your estro.
your dick will thank you the morning after

Yeah try getting your e2 down a little and see what happens

 

[Gains2NV]

Doesn't help. I was at 200mg a week brought total up to 800 and estradiol with adex stayed in 20s same problem. I recently lowered trt dose to try and drop adex just to see if I felt a difference. Same issues then.

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[GYMnTONIC]

Doesn't help. I was at 200mg a week brought total up to 800 and estradiol with adex stayed in 20s same problem. I recently lowered trt dose to try and drop adex just to see if I felt a difference. Same issues then.

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This is the thing, you are looking at it from an endocrinology aspect only.

And I'm in no way knocking you for this, because you aren't a doctor or haven't worked in the field. Most people here haven't.

There's a ton of brain chemical activity and neurotransmitters at play here.

It could be dopamine, seratonin related, etc..on top of Hormonal issues. Or it might just be brain chemical ONLY.

This is something you have to consider.

A number of men who never had libido issues go on AAS and then suffer from libido issues, and decreased sensitivity.

Then they check their prolactin levels and estro, and Test, DHT, DHEA and all the normal numbers and still find they are having issues.

It is very common for this to be brain chemical related.

You will see and I am not in any way suggesting recommending this, but users when introducing say things like amphetamines, rec drugs like coke, X, mdma, etc, etc, will see an immediate increase in libido, drive, ejaculatory volume.

So you are seeing that the physical ability is therefore diminished in many cases, solely by brain chemicals. There is often nothing wrong with the Testicles, hormones, penis, etc. You don't see it as urology based. It's constantly brain chemical based when other remedies are relieved.

You can try some 5htp, or nootropics, or seratonin and dopamine releasers. This may help you on top of getting your hormones in check, I guess is what I am trying to say.