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Well.. I hate to say it but I gotta...Trump won that debate last night.

kilsong

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Even tho he told many lies about the cases or Corona 'going down' in certain states.
Biden seemed ill -prepared. For sure cognitive decline. Proving once again he's not the ideal candidate to go against a guy like Trump.
But he's getting my vote because I don't believe in Trump, not because I think Biden is worthy.
 
So your going to vote for a guy that is showing cognitive decline and is not worthy because you dont believe in the other? Why vote at all if neither person is worth it?

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Because my disdain for Trump is just that high.
 
U don't see why so many people dislike him?
I have all the standard dislikes others have and the gay card too.
So yeah.
 
kilsong said:
But he (Biden's) getting my vote because I don't believe in Trump, not because I think Biden is worthy.
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The great strength of the totalitarian state is that it forces those who fear it to imitate it.
-Adolf Hitler
 
I get you said you dont believe in him but your main premise for not voting for him is because of an emotion. The other party you have said is not worthy but lets put him in office because you dislike Trump.

Just because you dislike someone doesn't mean they arent a better person for the job.

If your decision was based on facts and not emotion i could listen to your argument.



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Not so--not so at all.
I dlike what he's DONE to the country and the lies he's told.
I've never liked him...but I voted for him because Hillary is a BIGGER criminal.

Even the gay aspect of him isn't playing on my emotions.
Just the facts.
 
What has he done to the country?

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Alot--
Just to name a few: separated the states--dem-vs- republicans..He knew by letting the states work out Corona on their own he could then point the finger when it didnt work.
He lied about the wall--
He talks poorly about dead people...he couldnt care less about the military.
He put in anti gay judges.. and he OPENLY supports anti gay laws.
the list is long--
The lies....the lies....nothing but fucking LIES.
 
kilsong said:
Alot--
Just to name a few: separated the states--dem-vs- republicans..He knew by letting the states work out Corona on their own he could then point the finger when it didnt work.
He lied about the wall--
He talks poorly about dead people...he couldnt care less about the military.
He put in anti gay judges.. and he OPENLY supports anti gay laws.
the list is long--
The lies....the lies....nothing but fucking LIES.
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Dems and Republicans have been separated for a lot longer than Trump. Neither party works together anymore and haven't for 20 plus years.

He allowed each state to handle the virus how they saw fit, which yes allowed him to point fingers but in bigger picture should have shown yoy if you can trust you state officials.

Lying about the wall my im assuming you mean making mexico pay for it. Im not going to look it up but i believe he placed higher tariffs which in sense pays for it. Regardless we need it and its not like he wasnt met with full opposition from the dems.

I cant speak on the gay views as it doesn't pertain to me so i dont pay attention to it.

I can tell you as for the military side of things, he respects them much more than Obama. Being prior military and having a wife in the military who got shutdown and sent home without a paycheck not once but twice under Obama.

As for lies while i would prefer he didn't, give me one big business person or politician who doesnt everytime they open their mouth. We as people have to be smart enough to see through them

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Kilsong I'm glad to see you getting one step closer to getting a hard on for Trump.


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kilsong said:
Alot--
Just to name a few: separated the states--dem-vs- republicans..He knew by letting the states work out Corona on their own he could then point the finger when it didnt work.
He lied about the wall--
He talks poorly about dead people...he couldnt care less about the military.
He put in anti gay judges.. and he OPENLY supports anti gay laws.
the list is long--
The lies....the lies....nothing but fucking LIES.
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Which anti-gay laws does he openly support? Can you be specific?
 
In the Workplace

  1. Supported employment discrimination against LGBTQ people: The Trump administration submitted amicus briefs to the U.S. Supreme Court supporting discrimination against LGBTQ people.
  2. Banned transgender service members from the military: Against the expert advice of military leadership, medical authorities, budget analysts, 70% of Americans and the armed forces of allied countries, Trump and Pence banned transgender people from serving in the military.
  3. Rolled back Obama-era non-discrimination protections: Trump’s Department of Justice upended previous DOJ interpretations of the Civil Rights Act that protect transgender and non-binary workers from employment discrimination and ceased enforcing non-discrimination protections as well as taking a hostile stance to LGBTQ workers in court.
  4. Issued rule to license discrimination: Trump’s Department of Labor issued a regulation designed to allow federal contractors to claim a religious exemption to fire LGBTQ workers because of their sexual orientation or gender identity.
  5. Kicked people living with HIV out of the military because of their status: The Department of Defense instituted a “Deploy or Get Out” policy, which would remove military personnel living with HIV from service solely because of their status.
  6. Created a hostile work environment for LGBTQ federal employees: According to Politico: “[The Trump administration] fostered a climate where six staffers who are LGBT described removing their wedding rings before coming to work in the morning, taking down photos of their partners and families or ultimately finding new jobs further away from certain political appointees. They did not want to be identified; two said they feared being reassigned for being gay.”
In Health Care

  1. Undermine Section 1557 Rule: HHS published a proposed major change to the administrative rule interpreting Section 1557 of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) to remove explicit protections for LGBTQ people in healthcare programs and activities by excluding LGBTQ people from protections from discrimination based on sex stereotyping and gender identity.
  2. Advocated for the elimination of the entire Affordable Care Act: The Justice Department issued a legal filing arguing that the entirety of the Affordable Care Act should be overturned. This move would jeopardize health care for over 130 million people with preexisting conditions like HIV and eliminate non-discrimination protections for LGBTQ people.
  3. Created a Religious Discrimination Division: HHS created a new office whose sole purpose would be to defend physicians and other medical professionals who decide to refuse care, including to LGBTQ patients.
  4. Proposed cutting over $1.35 billion from PEPFAR budget: In his proposed FY 2019 budget, Trump cut $1.35 billion from, or 29% of PEPFAR’s budget. PEPFAR is the U.S. government program that fights AIDS abroad.
In Schools

  1. Guidance for Schools on Transgender Students: The Departments of Education and Justice eliminated Obama-era guidance clarifying that schools must treat transgender students consistent with their gender identity. This encourages schools officials to permit harassment of transgender students, deny access to facilities consistent with gender identity, and refuse to use correct names and pronouns -- all inflicting untold emotional harm.
  2. Rejected Complaints From Transgender Students: The Department of Education refused to respond to civil complaints filed by transgender students, including those who were barred from using bathrooms that correspond with their gender identity. This increases the burden for transgender students to combat these harmful policies.
  3. Suggested it is acceptable for schools to discriminate against LGBTQ students while accepting tax-payer funds: Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos has refused to rule out federal funding for schools that discriminate against LGBTQ students and has declined to state she would otherwise intervene should discrimination occur.
  4. Sexual Assault: DeVos rescinded Title IX rules related to schools’ obligations to address sexual harassment, including sexual violence. By eliminating the Obama-era rules, DeVos increased the standard of proof from “preponderance of the evidence” to “clear and convincing evidence” making it more difficult for survivors of sexual assault to obtain justice. LGBTQ people are disproportionately affected by sexual assault and harassment, and the stigma that many LGBTQ people face can make it more difficult for survivors to report.
  5. Eliminated language protecting LGBTQ children participating in the 4-H program: The Trump-Pence Administration ordered 4-H programs to remove a policy specifically welcoming LGBTQ children in the 4-H program, which led to the firing of an official who protested.
  6. Used Title IX to discriminate against trans students: the Department of Education claimed that school policies allowing trans youth to participate in sports consistent with their gender identity violated federal law and threatened to withhold funds.
In Housing

  1. Allowed emergency shelters to deny access to transgender and gender nonconforming people: Despite the fact that LGBTQ people are significantly more likely to experience homelessness in their lives, HUD Secretary Ben Carson has proposed a rule to permit emergency shelters to deny access or otherwise discriminate against transgender and gender nonconforming peoplewho are homeless. HUD also canceled a scheduled survey on LGBTQ homelessness.
  2. Placed transgender incarcerated persons in the wrong prison: The Federal Bureau of Prisons (BOP) rolled back an Obama-era policy that housed transgender prisoners consistent with their gender identity. With transgender people experiencing sexual assault at higher rates than average, this decision only puts them at further risk of assault.
In Families

  1. Allowed foster care programs to discriminate while accepting tax-payer funds: Trump-Pence White House has proposed a federal regulation that would strip away nondiscrimination requirements and permit all Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) grant recipients, notably adoption and foster care agencies, to discriminate against LGBTQ people, and in many circumstances religious minorities and women, and still receive federal funding.
  2. Refused visas to partners of diplomats: The State Department began refusing visas for same-sex partners of some diplomats and U.N. workers if they are not married.
  3. Changed rules to deny surrogate born children citizenship: The Trump Administration has interpreted immigration rules specifically so the child of a same-sex couple born abroad via surrogate would be considered "born out of wedlock" and making it more difficult to obtain U.S. citizenship.
In Representation

  1. Erased transgender people: Trump’s HHS proposed a new definition that would narrowly define sex as either male or female, unchangeable, and determined by birth. According to the New York Times: “The new definition would essentially eradicate federal recognition of the estimated 1.4 million [transgender] Americans.” In addition, agency staff, including those at the Centers for Disease Control, have been instructed to stop using the word transgender in official reports.
  2. Eliminated information on LGBTQ rights, mentions, and representation on government websites: Within hours of Trump’s swearing-in, pages on LGBTQ rights and recognition were removed from government websites, including the White House.
  3. Blocked questions regarding sexual orientation from consideration for the census: Trump and Pence have sought to block questions on sexual orientation from the census in order to erase LGBTQ people from official counts. This would, in turn, prevent the collection of crucial data that could help improve government programs and resources for LGBTQ people.
  4. Refused to recognize LGBTQ people in National AIDS day Address: Despite being the community most affected by the epidemic, Vice President Pence has consistently refused to acknowledge LGBTQ people in his addresses on National AIDS day.
In the World:

  1. Refusing LGBTQ asylum seekers fleeing violence: Trump issued an executive order to create further obstacles for all people seeking to enter the U.S., preventing refugees from escaping some of the most anti-LGBTQ regimes in the world.
  2. Embassy Pride Flags: Pence defended the State Department directive to ban U.S. embassies across the world from flying the LGBTQ Pride Flag during Pride Month.
  3. Left the U.N. Human Rights Council: Trump and Pence, over LGBTQ and other issues, removed the United States from the U.N. Human Rights Council.
  4. Chechnya: Trump and Pence refused to condemn attacks on LGBTQ people in Chechnya, where atrocities against queer people are horrific and ongoing.
  5. Brunei: The Trump-Pence administration has refused to condemn a Brunei law that imposes barbaric punishments on LGBTQ people, including death by stoning, torture and whipping.


 
Constitutional wise Trump cant enforce states to follow a federal Covid mandate that's why states had the power to handle it they way they sought fit. Ca, NY, NJ, MI handled it poorly while FL, TX, SD handled it much better.
Just like constitutionally Trump cant just send federal troops to Portland and other places unless they ask for the help. Only way Trump could do it is by invoking the insurrection act. There's limits on what he can do as president in the states.
 
Kilsong do you think people with HIV should be serving in the military?? If I had HIV I would have never wanted to continue to serve and possibly infect anyone with that shit.


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I’m about to vote third party fuck both of these people .
 
Regulations can be put back . A destoryed economy takes years to fix .
Also once the government controls something like health care they want give it up !!
 
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Your reasoning is insane, you should vote for the guy who is going to bring back the economy to the level he had it going pre-covid. To vote for the dementia crypt keeper and a crazy socialist VP who couldn’t even get 2% of her parties vote in the primary is ridiculous.
 
Bigtoe said:
Kilsong do you think people with HIV should be serving in the military?? If I had HIV I would have never wanted to continue to serve and possibly infect anyone with that shit.


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What does HIV have to do with this?
I'm gay and I don't have HIV.
 
kilsong said:
U don't see why so many people dislike him?
I have all the standard dislikes others have and the gay card too.
So yeah.
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The job of POTUS is not for you to like his personality, look at what he’s done for the country and accomplished.
 
kilsong said:
What does HIV have to do with this?
I'm gay and I don't have HIV.
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5. Kicked people living with HIV out of the military because of their status: The Department of Defense instituted a “Deploy or Get Out” policy, which would remove military personnel living with HIV from service solely because of their status.

Just curious on your thoughts on this

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Ahh... Okay..
No.. I do not agree with this.
It's not 1985 where we didn't know how this spread.
It's discrimination.. Plain and simple
 
kilsong said:
Ahh... Okay..
No.. I do not agree with this.
It's not 1985 where we didn't know how this spread.
It's discrimination.. Plain and simple
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Is it discrimination to now allow someone thats blind in the military or any other medical condition that would not allow you to join?

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How many trannies actually want to serve in the military? Like one.... maybe two. Wow. You lgbters should stop taking yourself so seriously. Nobody cares about your sexuality. It doesn’t need to be in the school system, it’s ridiculous..

weirdos
 
Milford King said:
How many trannies actually want to serve in the military? Like one.... maybe two. Wow. You lgbters should stop taking yourself so seriously. Nobody cares about your sexuality. It doesn’t need to be in the school system, it’s ridiculous..

weirdos
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It is about being discriminated against due to your sexuality.
 
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