How to address possible bad batch with source?

[elit3keraed]

I disagree respectfully. Why would the entire batch be infected ? The batch goes through the filter so its rare for the entire batch to be unsterile. The filters are FDA approved, highly doubt the filter went bad.

The brewer MAYBE couldnt resist scratching his dirty ear or hair and grabbed the stoppers halfway through as he was putting the stoppers on the vials. Or maybe the brewer grabbed the unsterile kitchen table or a door handle when he was halfway through and then touched the stoppers. (cross contamination is the name)
it would be like owning a hamburger shop. And serving 20 people hamburgers, none of them get sick, but 1 person gets sick NOT because the entire hamburger raw meat was bad but because the person touched the table where the raw meat is and then touched ONE persons hamburger after with the same gloves that became unsterile after touching an unsterile surface.

Didn’t dozens of people at a Jack in the Box in the 90s get sick from E Coli or some shit cuz a bad batch of hamburgers?

I think the same thing happened at Chipotle recently...a bad batch of lettuce had E. coli or something and a few people got sick.



I have brewed myself and see your point of “
Maybe there was a hiccup in the process. Considering I had 20 vials and we made it through roughly half before we wound up with 3 bad vials, I’m thinking either

A...someone decided to touch 3 vials and I won the lottery in getting all 3
B...the whole batch was bad and it was already mixed in with hundreds of other vials (I wouldn’t hold a bulk sale and have only 100 bottles of test...I’d have several hundred if not a thousand)
C...the bad bottles have landed elsewhere and people have wound up with infections but got them in time and didn’t say anything or felt like it was them and not their error (I mean who’s gonna shoot a fresh bottle and say “fuck all the test they sell is tainted!” I only questioned if because I wound up with an infection on a brand new bottle after my buddy wound up with his 2)

good news is I should be home tonight according to the doctor...WBC spiked last night but dropped as of this morning when they pulled more bloods..

The incision is killing me so they’re sending me a “wound care specialist” to see about repacking the gauze. Doc tried pulling it out sans pain meds and holy fuck I think I’d rather bottom for a pissed off elephant than try that again.I would like the itchy feeling to go away though...and it would be nice to eat a real meal and not these crummy microwave meals

 

[AR-15]

I disagree respectfully. Why would the entire batch be infected ? The batch goes through the filter so its rare for the entire batch to be unsterile. The filters are FDA approved, highly doubt the filter went bad.

The brewer MAYBE couldnt resist scratching his dirty ear or hair and grabbed the stoppers halfway through as he was putting the stoppers on the vials. Or maybe the brewer grabbed the unsterile kitchen table or a door handle when he was halfway through and then touched the stoppers. (cross contamination is the name)
it would be like owning a hamburger shop. And serving 20 people hamburgers, none of them get sick, but 1 person gets sick NOT because the entire hamburger raw meat was bad but because the person touched the table where the raw meat is and then touched ONE persons hamburger after with the same gloves that became unsterile after touching an unsterile surface.

Understood my friend but your implying that the source in question brews in his kitchen. As someone who may or may not have been a source light years ago I can tell you we had an actual lab set up with all the bells and whistles to avoid this type of situation. A 100% sterile location, Autoclaves, PPE’s etc. etc. That would have left me to believe the bacteria in the mix was the issue. Maybe I’m naive but for the amount of business this source probably does I would have to assume he plays by the same rules as well. But listen as I stated above the whole situation is none of my business really other than I’m a member here. I really hope it works out for all involved. Hopefully when he gets out of the hospital he will post the batch # of the gear so anyone else that has that batch can take the appropriate actions before they end up in the same situation if that turns out is the issue. Good Luck to Elit3!!! Hospitals suck!!!! I know I’ve had like 17 surgeries. I know exact what he’s talking about with the winey old cats!!!!l lol

 

[lifter6973]

wonderful first post brah

I disagree respectfully. Why would the entire batch be infected ? The batch goes through the filter so its rare for the entire batch to be unsterile. The filters are FDA approved, highly doubt the filter went bad.

The brewer MAYBE couldnt resist scratching his dirty ear or hair and grabbed the stoppers halfway through as he was putting the stoppers on the vials. Or maybe the brewer grabbed the unsterile kitchen table or a door handle when he was halfway through and then touched the stoppers. (cross contamination is the name)
it would be like owning a hamburger shop. And serving 20 people hamburgers, none of them get sick, but 1 person gets sick NOT because the entire hamburger raw meat was bad but because the person touched the table where the raw meat is and then touched ONE persons hamburger after with the same gloves that became unsterile after touching an unsterile surface.

 

[KrossOut]

I didn’t take away anything negative from Skips post brother. I took it as unfortunately if this guy and his bud both got infections from a tainted batch of test then there will, again unfortunately be more coming out. If they run 100 bottles a batch and these guys purchased 20 that means there will be 80 more bad bottles out there. If the gear is dirty it wouldn’t just be those 20 bottles. If it’s the test then it’s 100 bottles. If it’s the bottles that weren’t sterilized then it’s how ever many bottles go into the chamber they use. I doubt it would be dirty bottles or caps so there should be another 80’bad bottles. That’s how I took it anyway. Not as a negative comment but as a cautionary one. And I have no issues how this fella handled things at all. I think he did it about as nice as one can especially since he’s obviously in the hospital. Personally I’d be one pissed off motherfucker so cudo’s to him. As far as Ferral goes I never used him but like I said if it is his fault then there will definitely be more issues from other people. If there’s not then who knows wtf happened? I’m nowhere near smart enough to even try.

The entire batch doesn’t need to be contaminated.

A handful of vials might have simply missed the autoclave. Or a handful of stoppers might have been left to the side with out getting the alcohol bath. Or he ran the 1 liter batch and the filter had breakthrough for the last handful of bottles. Or the guy putting the stoppers in inadvertently sneezed from seasonal allergies. There’s a bunch of careless scenarios. And yea, maybe all of the other bottles are completely fine. But all it takes is one infection. I’d rather receive bunk gear than a little something extra in the vial that I wasn’t expecting.

It’s just odd that underdosed gear attracts more attention than the infected gear. Those pictures he posted definitely don’t look like fun to me.


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[AR-15]

It could be 100 different scenarios. I’m sure you guys are correct though. I always respect everyone’s opinions. Like I said I hope it works out for all involved especially Elit3. Nothings worse than sitting in a hospital especially when it’s of no fault of his own.

 

[frank zazz]

The entire batch doesn’t need to be contaminated.

A handful of vials might have simply missed the autoclave. Or a handful of stoppers might have been left to the side with out getting the alcohol bath. Or he ran the 1 liter batch and the filter had breakthrough for the last handful of bottles. Or the guy putting the stoppers in inadvertently sneezed from seasonal allergies. There’s a bunch of careless scenarios. And yea, maybe all of the other bottles are completely fine. But all it takes is one infection. I’d rather receive bunk gear than a little something extra in the vial that I wasn’t expecting.

It’s just odd that underdosed gear attracts more attention than the infected gear. Those pictures he posted definitely don’t look like fun to me.


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No the whole batch doesn’t need to be contaminated but is it really worth the risk ? I know that I would be tossing it all

 

[ghostman2020]

my 2 cents is, just take care of the man and do the right thing!

 

[TripleOvertime]

my 2 cents is, just take care of the man and do the right thing!

How would he be taken care of? Source sends him more product? Would any one of you accept replacements with confidence? Short of paying for the hospital bill, there really isn’t a resolution that can make everything whole with OP. At least not in my mind. Thinking out loud.

 

[HFO3]

Would any one of you accept replacements with confidence?

About the same as a snowballs chance in hell

 

[GarlicChicken]

How would he be taken care of? Source sends him more product? Would any one of you accept replacements with confidence? Short of paying for the hospital bill, there really isn’t a resolution that can make everything whole with OP. At least not in my mind. Thinking out loud.

Yep. Outside for paying for the hospital bill there's not much resolution. I know I'll be staying far away from the source from here on. I'd never take anymore gear that could be dirty

 

[Brutus6688]

Yep. Outside for paying for the hospital bill there's not much resolution. I know I'll be staying far away from the source from here on. I'd never take anymore gear that could be dirty

Agree 100% not worth the risk, like I said before this shit can become life threatening especially with the patients that think it will go away by itself.

 

[Obscured78]

They were never on my radar to use but definitely crossed off the list now

 

[Montego]

I disagree respectfully. Why would the entire batch be infected ? The batch goes through the filter so its rare for the entire batch to be unsterile. The filters are FDA approved, highly doubt the filter went bad.

The brewer MAYBE couldnt resist scratching his dirty ear or hair and grabbed the stoppers halfway through as he was putting the stoppers on the vials. Or maybe the brewer grabbed the unsterile kitchen table or a door handle when he was halfway through and then touched the stoppers. (cross contamination is the name)
it would be like owning a hamburger shop. And serving 20 people hamburgers, none of them get sick, but 1 person gets sick NOT because the entire hamburger raw meat was bad but because the person touched the table where the raw meat is and then touched ONE persons hamburger after with the same gloves that became unsterile after touching an unsterile surface.

When you're dealing with people's lives and livelihood, yeah, you dump the entire lot.

Two guys, same time, same gear.

Unless they used each other's syringes, there's an issue.

 

[elit3keraed]

Hey guys just an update. Got released last night actually. When they gave me my discharge papers I asked why it said sepsis on my diagnosis. I’ve always thought sepsis was like you see in the movie. Breathing tubes and horrible sweating and severe pain.

But apparently it isn’t normal to do IV antibiotics every few hours I had a total of 8 bags of antibiotics and I believe like 5 or 6 of the 10+mL syringes loaded with antibotics. Maybe it explains why even a fuck ton of dilaudid and lidocaine did absolutely nothing to stop the pain from having the abscess cut open. Oh and they took my BP constantly and I couldn’t understand why until I caught that it was as low as 99/49 at one point. Kinda cool to see your normally 125/70 drop to under 105/55


Blood tests Sunday morning showed my WBC at 16.1 with 10.9 being the “high end” I’m assuming they were worse Sunday night when I went back since they did bloods, came back in and told me I wasn’t leaving for a while. Still waiting for those labs to show up on my online health thing.

Heres a few more pics. Cleaned and repacked my leg and have been downing my
antibiotics religiously lol..

 

[frank zazz]

Hey guys just an update. Got released last night actually. When they gave me my discharge papers I asked why it said sepsis on my diagnosis. I’ve always thought sepsis was like you see in the movie. Breathing tubes and horrible sweating and severe pain.

But apparently it isn’t normal to do IV antibiotics every few hours I had a total of 8 bags of antibiotics and I believe like 5 or 6 of the 10+mL syringes loaded with antibotics. Maybe it explains why even a fuck ton of dilaudid and lidocaine did absolutely nothing to stop the pain from having the abscess cut open. Oh and they took my BP constantly and I couldn’t understand why until I caught that it was as low as 99/49 at one point. Kinda cool to see your normally 125/70 drop to under 105/55


Blood tests Sunday morning showed my WBC at 16.1 with 10.9 being the “high end” I’m assuming they were worse Sunday night when I went back since they did bloods, came back in and told me I wasn’t leaving for a while. Still waiting for those labs to show up on my online health thing.

Heres a few more pics. Cleaned and repacked my leg and have been downing my
antibiotics religiously lol..

Glad to hear that you are doing better . Hopefully for everyone else this was somehow isolated to only your bottles but seems unlikely .

 

[lifter6973]

sounds like you waited way too long to go to the ER. Sepsis is no joke and can easily turn into a life threatening situation. Another day or two of waiting to go to the ER could have been the end of you.

Hey guys just an update. Got released last night actually. When they gave me my discharge papers I asked why it said sepsis on my diagnosis. I’ve always thought sepsis was like you see in the movie. Breathing tubes and horrible sweating and severe pain.

But apparently it isn’t normal to do IV antibiotics every few hours I had a total of 8 bags of antibiotics and I believe like 5 or 6 of the 10+mL syringes loaded with antibotics. Maybe it explains why even a fuck ton of dilaudid and lidocaine did absolutely nothing to stop the pain from having the abscess cut open. Oh and they took my BP constantly and I couldn’t understand why until I caught that it was as low as 99/49 at one point. Kinda cool to see your normally 125/70 drop to under 105/55


Blood tests Sunday morning showed my WBC at 16.1 with 10.9 being the “high end” I’m assuming they were worse Sunday night when I went back since they did bloods, came back in and told me I wasn’t leaving for a while. Still waiting for those labs to show up on my online health thing.

Heres a few more pics. Cleaned and repacked my leg and have been downing my
antibiotics religiously lol..

 

[Brutus6688]

Its good news that your out!!
Sepsis can turn life threatening very quickly.
This is a great thread for the younger guys to read and understand. Do not wait if you are having a reaction to any gear. Like I said these posts are invaluable to all of us. A lot of guys are too lazy too post or don’t want the drama but its well worth it for everyone here!!!

 

[elit3keraed]

sounds like you waited way too long to go to the ER. Sepsis is no joke and can easily turn into a life threatening situation. Another day or two of waiting to go to the ER could have been the end of you.

Ironically enough I went to the ER 24 hours prior. They gave me IV antibiotics, pulled bloods and said “here’s a Rx for 2 antibiotics, go home and take them and if you suddenly get worse come back.

The pain and swelling didn’t actually start till late Thursday/early Friday. Prior to that i thought it was pip (and I have an insane pain tolerance so it very well could have been much worst than it felt like). I had no symptoms of it being infected until late Saturday when I finally went because I spiked a fever and had developed body aches in the span of 5 minutes.

 

[elit3keraed]

Like I said lifter. I went as soon as I showed signs.

I’ve shot gear that gave me a baseball sized lump for 2 weeks that was kid really hard gear. When I first started on TRT the Watson test I got from Walgreens (had an actual script) gave me awful pip for a week in every muscle I hit.

Hell I could fund a whole new hospital if I went to them every time I had pip that lasted past day 5.

Here’s the timeline though for everyone:

Sunday: Shot 1cc feral super test right quad around 11pm
Monday: fine
Tuesday: some slight soreness but shot was just passing the 24 hour mark. Hit legs
Wednesday: minor pip. Stiffness i attributed to doms
Thursday: increase in pip, still stiff, slight limp (figured it was stiffness from legs)
Friday: same no major issues, but towards the night pain started to go up
Saturday: less pain, lump shrank, figures “cool it’s going way was just bad pip”
Saturday after work: Fuck this hurts, and my body kinda hurts. Better take my temp cuz I don’t think this body ache crap is from work.

Sunday: 1am ER....sent home at 4am...
Sunday: 10Pm pain goes from a 6 to a 12. Can’t get out of my work van, can barely focus on getting back from work. am basically in a fog cuz I can’t figure out what is happening or where im at.

I “waited too long” if maybe I had thought more of what I considered doms and pip. I mean hell my chest was in more pain than my leg was after chest Wednesday. Plus I think the general consensus is like 2 or 3 days of the pip not getting better so I think I was on course with the normal reaction. I guess the first course of antibiotics just pissed it all off

 

[KrossOut]

Like I said lifter. I went as soon as I showed signs.

I’ve shot gear that gave me a baseball sized lump for 2 weeks that was kid really hard gear. When I first started on TRT the Watson test I got from Walgreens (had an actual script) gave me awful pip for a week in every muscle I hit.

Hell I could fund a whole new hospital if I went to them every time I had pip that lasted past day 5.

Here’s the timeline though for everyone:

Sunday: Shot 1cc feral super test right quad around 11pm
Monday: fine
Tuesday: some slight soreness but shot was just passing the 24 hour mark. Hit legs
Wednesday: minor pip. Stiffness i attributed to doms
Thursday: increase in pip, still stiff, slight limp (figured it was stiffness from legs)
Friday: same no major issues, but towards the night pain started to go up
Saturday: less pain, lump shrank, figures “cool it’s going way was just bad pip”
Saturday after work: Fuck this hurts, and my body kinda hurts. Better take my temp cuz I don’t think this body ache crap is from work.

Sunday: 1am ER....sent home at 4am...
Sunday: 10Pm pain goes from a 6 to a 12. Can’t get out of my work van, can barely focus on getting back from work. am basically in a fog cuz I can’t figure out what is happening or where im at.

I “waited too long” if maybe I had thought more of what I considered doms and pip. I mean hell my chest was in more pain than my leg was after chest Wednesday. Plus I think the general consensus is like 2 or 3 days of the pip not getting better so I think I was on course with the normal reaction. I guess the first course of antibiotics just pissed it all off

I want to think that Feral or his rep (who popped in here the other day) sent a couple PMs to you to see how you’re feeling. But I don’t believe that’s the case.

They want to bury this and avoid “drama”. I’m not sure if anyone linked this thread in Feral’s thread but if they did it got deleted.

That’s way fucked up. Sepsis in a bottle. Bulk buy and receive a complimentary trip to the ER courtesy of your pals at Feral.

My head is spinning.


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[christiantt]

Like I said lifter. I went as soon as I showed signs.

I’ve shot gear that gave me a baseball sized lump for 2 weeks that was kid really hard gear. When I first started on TRT the Watson test I got from Walgreens (had an actual script) gave me awful pip for a week in every muscle I hit.

Hell I could fund a whole new hospital if I went to them every time I had pip that lasted past day 5.

Here’s the timeline though for everyone:

Sunday: Shot 1cc feral super test right quad around 11pm
Monday: fine
Tuesday: some slight soreness but shot was just passing the 24 hour mark. Hit legs
Wednesday: minor pip. Stiffness i attributed to doms
Thursday: increase in pip, still stiff, slight limp (figured it was stiffness from legs)
Friday: same no major issues, but towards the night pain started to go up
Saturday: less pain, lump shrank, figures “cool it’s going way was just bad pip”
Saturday after work: Fuck this hurts, and my body kinda hurts. Better take my temp cuz I don’t think this body ache crap is from work.

Sunday: 1am ER....sent home at 4am...
Sunday: 10Pm pain goes from a 6 to a 12. Can’t get out of my work van, can barely focus on getting back from work. am basically in a fog cuz I can’t figure out what is happening or where im at.

I “waited too long” if maybe I had thought more of what I considered doms and pip. I mean hell my chest was in more pain than my leg was after chest Wednesday. Plus I think the general consensus is like 2 or 3 days of the pip not getting better so I think I was on course with the normal reaction. I guess the first course of antibiotics just pissed it all off

Fuck man. What did you tell the ER/doc as to what you think happened or caused the issue? Spider bite? I got bit by a brown recluse, left calf, a couple years back and didn't get it treated quick enough and had a myriad of issues similar to your as the bite area got infected or whatever the fuck the venom did to me.

 

[Brutus6688]

Pain, swelling, redness, heat around area, swelling intensifies and travels, fever, malaise. Typically this is the progression. As the infection becomes a cellulitis travels between tissue planes etc. the antibiotics effectiveness is decreased. That is why the infection has to be cut/debrided and cleaned out, this stimulates repair/healing etc.etc.

 

[AR-15]

Glad your out bro!!!! I know it sucked but by the sounds of things you may have dodged a bigger bullet for sure. I’d play the lottery cause you also got kinda lucky walking away in a few days rather than weeks. Anyway when you get a chance I would have to assume everyone would like to know the batch # on the test so if anyone else has that # they can chuck the bottles and hopefully get reimbursed. Good luck man!!!!

 

[CoachCabo]

Infections FROM gear are not a “bad batch” as in poorly brewed. They are from poor technique and likely lack of proper equipment. I have the proper equipment, a dedicated clean room/space and it still is a bitch keeping things aseptic. You have to be super dilligent.

This sort of thing really puts a black eye on UGL and lends to the opinions that Skip and others have of them. If a “lab” doesn’t have all the proper equipment, extra care needs to be taken in areas lacking.

The only real way to ensure gear is injected “sterile” is to invest in and use syringe filters at point of use. Other than that, it’s a crapshoot unless youknow and trust the vendor.

 

[lifter6973]

That is bizarre especially considering you were pretty much fine 2 days after. I have had cellulitis before and had to go to ER for IV antibiotics. I am not sure how I got the cellulitis. It was at the back of my leg behind the knee. At first I thought muscle pain but then it kept getting worse to the point where I was limping. They ruled out DVT first before going with cellulitis. Anyway it wasnt pin related as I wasnt even on any PEDs at the time. Apparently I got it from either a small scratch I couldn't see or perhaps a bite.
Along those lines, my symptoms seem to mirror yours. I think it is odd in your case that you didn't really notice anything at all though pretty much up to 48 hours later.

Apologies for me forgetting that you had been to the ER prior to this and they sent you home. I did not mean to say you did something wrong.
I forgot that is protocol. They did the same with me and my cellulitis. The guy outlined the area with marker and said if the redness goes past this outline, come back. They also sent me home with scripts. What they should tell you in addition is that you would have to come back because you might be heading into sepsis.

Like I said lifter. I went as soon as I showed signs.

I’ve shot gear that gave me a baseball sized lump for 2 weeks that was kid really hard gear. When I first started on TRT the Watson test I got from Walgreens (had an actual script) gave me awful pip for a week in every muscle I hit.

Hell I could fund a whole new hospital if I went to them every time I had pip that lasted past day 5.

Here’s the timeline though for everyone:

Sunday: Shot 1cc feral super test right quad around 11pm
Monday: fine
Tuesday: some slight soreness but shot was just passing the 24 hour mark. Hit legs
Wednesday: minor pip. Stiffness i attributed to doms
Thursday: increase in pip, still stiff, slight limp (figured it was stiffness from legs)
Friday: same no major issues, but towards the night pain started to go up
Saturday: less pain, lump shrank, figures “cool it’s going way was just bad pip”
Saturday after work: Fuck this hurts, and my body kinda hurts. Better take my temp cuz I don’t think this body ache crap is from work.

Sunday: 1am ER....sent home at 4am...
Sunday: 10Pm pain goes from a 6 to a 12. Can’t get out of my work van, can barely focus on getting back from work. am basically in a fog cuz I can’t figure out what is happening or where im at.

I “waited too long” if maybe I had thought more of what I considered doms and pip. I mean hell my chest was in more pain than my leg was after chest Wednesday. Plus I think the general consensus is like 2 or 3 days of the pip not getting better so I think I was on course with the normal reaction. I guess the first course of antibiotics just pissed it all off

 

[AR-15]

Infections FROM gear are not a “bad batch” as in poorly brewed. They are from poor technique and likely lack of proper equipment. I have the proper equipment, a dedicated clean room/space and it still is a bitch keeping things aseptic. You have to be super dilligent.

This sort of thing really puts a black eye on UGL and lends to the opinions that Skip and others have of them. If a “lab” doesn’t have all the proper equipment, extra care needs to be taken in areas lacking.

The only real way to ensure gear is injected “sterile” is to invest in and use syringe filters at point of use. Other than that, it’s a crapshoot unless youknow and trust the vendor.

I respectfully disagree with most here. If Client A and B got an infection from batch # 1 and I had bottles from batch #1 I absolutely would be throwing my bottles in the trash. Again that’s just me. Good luck to all involved.

 

[Montego]

I respectfully disagree with most here. If Client A and B got an infection from batch # 1 and I had bottles from batch #1 I absolutely would be throwing my bottles in the trash. Again that’s just me. Good luck to all involved.

Anyone with common sense would do the same. You're not alone.

 

[CoachCabo]

I respectfully disagree with most here. If Client A and B got an infection from batch # 1 and I had bottles from batch #1 I absolutely would be throwing my bottles in the trash. Again that’s just me. Good luck to all involved.

Even it were 200mg Primo...let alone cheap ass test.

I deal with pip complaints from time to time and take them with a grain of salt and consider the source but if I ever gave someone an infection I would be mortified!
I once sourced some bb locally rather than import it. Early on I started getting pip complaints from test e. I pinned it, got pip and shitcanned the whole lot as well as replaced the few that had been distributed. It’s the cost of doing business. Why these labs play spin and damage control when this happen I just don’t understand. ESPECIALLY if they are batches of only 100 vials.
A batch of 100 vials of test is literally under $200 and that’s using expensive capsule filters and MCT.

 

[elit3keraed]

Even it were 200mg Primo...let alone cheap ass test.

I deal with pip complaints from time to time and take them with a grain of salt and consider the source but if I ever gave someone an infection I would be mortified!
I once sourced some bb locally rather than import it. Early on I started getting pip complaints from test e. I pinned it, got pip and shitcanned the whole lot as well as replaced the few that had been distributed. It’s the cost of doing business. Why these labs play spin and damage control when this happen I just don’t understand. ESPECIALLY if they are batches of only 100 vials.
A batch of 100 vials of test is literally under $200 and that’s using expensive capsule filters and MCT.

I actually started brewing my own gear about 4 years ago to both save myself money (ex wife ran a grand or more of gear per comp and seemed like she was always prepping...and I became super controlling after my accident (some of you guys probably remember. Drunk driver. Car fire and over a year of PT). I know if I ever had gotten an infection off any of the gear I brewed it was my own fault.

I even attributed my buddies TWO infections of TWO different, freshly opened bottles to “you gotta have done something wrong”

But then to open a brand new bottle myself and wind up with an infection I begin to really question the “it’s not a bad batch it’s user error”. 3 infections. 3 new bottles and 2 different people tells me there was an issue with the product not the technique. Unless freshly sterilized drawn pin, freshly sterilized pin for injection, cleaning everything and then some with alcohol swabs and letting it dry before drawing and pinning just happened to accidently keep me free from infection for 10 years (might have had one or two close calls that docs gave me antibiotics “just in case”) then I am not really sure how much more sanitary I can be short of setting up a dedicated sterile room with a shower setup to disinfect myself prior to entering.

ive seen bad infections. I’ve officially survived bad infections as of today. And sure, their rep commented here telling me to PM him after saying it was “odd I waited so long to say something” but once another member had confidently named the lab in question (before I name dropped) I realized there was no point to even bother as I had my question answered about potentially bad gear and short of paying my ER bill, the home nurse who they assigned to come make sure my abscess was properly packed and cleaned everyday, and lost wages from work, there’s nothing that can be done. Not to mention their comment already told me they’re playing the “probably just a dude wanting free shit” approach.

if I ordered 3 bottles of test and I complain 6 months later sure. But I’m not a 350lb pro taking 3 grams a week. I ran their 250 for a bit then started the 400 and the first 2 were fine. Hell my buddy was good with his up until the last 2 bottles. I probably wouldn’t have even second guessed it if it weren’t for the dozen or so courses of IV antibiotics and 60 hour hospital stay

 

[elit3keraed]

That is bizarre especially considering you were pretty much fine 2 days after. I have had cellulitis before and had to go to ER for IV antibiotics. I am not sure how I got the cellulitis. It was at the back of my leg behind the knee. At first I thought muscle pain but then it kept getting worse to the point where I was limping. They ruled out DVT first before going with cellulitis. Anyway it wasnt pin related as I wasnt even on any PEDs at the time. Apparently I got it from either a small scratch I couldn't see or perhaps a bite.
Along those lines, my symptoms seem to mirror yours. I think it is odd in your case that you didn't really notice anything at all though pretty much up to 48 hours later.

Apologies for me forgetting that you had been to the ER prior to this and they sent you home. I did not mean to say you did something wrong.
I forgot that is protocol. They did the same with me and my cellulitis. The guy outlined the area with marker and said if the redness goes past this outline, come back. They also sent me home with scripts. What they should tell you in addition is that you would have to come back because you might be heading into sepsis.

A heads up would have been nice but I left the ER Sunday morning feeling good. They didn’t give me any pain meds so after the IV antibiotics so I thought “Wow that IV shit works fast”. When it hit me at work it came out of nowhere. We are talking one second I’m walking to a customers door to deliver their products to having to physically lift my leg into my van because I couldn’t bend it.

Truthfully I didn’t realize the severity of it till the nurse explained it as they discharged me. I always thought sepsis would be me sitting in bed basically comatose, running a high fever and knowing I’m probably dying . Not “fuck cut my leg off it hurts so bad” while dealing with minor body aches, and a low grade (like 101) fever. Other than my leg literally not working the rest of me felt like I had a minor cold

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Even it were 200mg Primo...let alone cheap ass test.

I deal with pip complaints from time to time and take them with a grain of salt and consider the source but if I ever gave someone an infection I would be mortified!
I once sourced some bb locally rather than import it. Early on I started getting pip complaints from test e. I pinned it, got pip and shitcanned the whole lot as well as replaced the few that had been distributed. It’s the cost of doing business. Why these labs play spin and damage control when this happen I just don’t understand. ESPECIALLY if they are batches of only 100 vials.
A batch of 100 vials of test is literally under $200 and that’s using expensive capsule filters and MCT.

my bad Cabo I just realized you were talking about bad equipment/technique on the brewers end. I thought you were saying infections were the fault of the person with the infection