Carb intake... How do you time yours?

Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 16 to 30 of 40
  1. #16
    Senior Member


    Join Date
    Feb 2020
    Posts
    492

    Thanks Thanks Given 
    431
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    259
    Thanked in
    181 Posts
    Rep Points
    10096910

    Quote Originally Posted by Titan5011 View Post
    Doing fine does not equate to doing whatís best. Youíll still lose out on intensity by dopamine reduction. It also highly depends on how you train. Some training phases get by easier than others when you account for these things.

    Slower carbs 2 hours before training, fast acting after training. If youíre searching for more optimization.
    well my intensity doesnít suffer. Iím doing a John Meadows routine 6 days a week so higher volume with intensity. Iím also on a deficit. Iím getting stronger and can keep going so incredible might be a better word. It works great. How fast do you think your body burns through carbs while lifting? Iíve done it all and this is what works best for me. Donít really care about anything except what works best. Other than the gummy bears preworkout my only carb source is fruit.

  2. #17
    Senior Member
    BigDaddy35's Avatar


    Join Date
    Dec 2020
    Posts
    292

    Thanks Thanks Given 
    77
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    147
    Thanked in
    113 Posts
    Rep Points
    1500100

    I tried training and doing my cardio in am fasted for a few weeks. All that seemed reasonable was getter stronger and losing weight, In a deficit of calories. Then decided to try work out in afternoon and keep cardio fasted. My pumps were better and felt stronger in the gym. I was def moving more weight around. I have been spacing a majority of my carbs evenly throughout the day. My pwo meal, I would have increased the number of carbs and last meal before bed no carbs. After another week or so, I'll switch it again and see what happens.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  3. #18
    Senior Member
    BigDaddy35's Avatar


    Join Date
    Dec 2020
    Posts
    292

    Thanks Thanks Given 
    77
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    147
    Thanked in
    113 Posts
    Rep Points
    1500100

    Quote Originally Posted by Vision View Post
    I have roughly 60 carbs per meal, I eat 45min pre workout, and use Carb Gain by NOW at 90g intra workout with creatine, and 60g carb gain post workout..

    Carb gain is flavorless and I mix it with Gatorade powder to add a little bit it sodium.. I also carry around a bag of tortilla's and pull one out here and there and just roll it up and eat it with a few swigs of water..
    I haven't tried an intra workout drink yet. I need to look into trying one and see how it helps me out. I usually just knockback two shakers full of water.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  4. #19
    Board Rep
    BOARD REP
    samgraves82's Avatar


    Join Date
    Sep 2019
    Age
    38
    Posts
    5,065

    Thanks Thanks Given 
    1,153
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    3,548
    Thanked in
    2,587 Posts
    Rep Points
    52631150

    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddy35 View Post
    I haven't tried an intra workout drink yet. I need to look into trying one and see how it helps me out. I usually just knockback two shakers full of water.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    I really like hosstile intralr3.

    UNCLE Z REP

    WWW.UNCLEZ.RU FOR LIST/ORDERING

  5. #20
    IM>ASF
    heckler7's Avatar


    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    trolling ASF pit
    Posts
    15,334

    Thanks Thanks Given 
    5,444
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    5,293
    Thanked in
    3,204 Posts
    Rep Points
    2147483647

    carbs are such a broad spectrum, if you are feeling hypo during workout then you probably arent eating enough in general or havent eaten within 2 hours of workout. your liver will release glucose during exercise it may not be enough so if your feeling hypo I would say that is more related to meal timing vs workout timing

  6. #21
    Always Hungry
    Titan5011's Avatar


    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    In Humidity Hell.
    Posts
    2,911

    Thanks Thanks Given 
    8
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    75
    Thanked in
    52 Posts
    Rep Points
    2147483647

    Quote Originally Posted by Bft84 View Post
    well my intensity doesnít suffer. Iím doing a John Meadows routine 6 days a week so higher volume with intensity. Iím also on a deficit. Iím getting stronger and can keep going so incredible might be a better word. It works great. How fast do you think your body burns through carbs while lifting? Iíve done it all and this is what works best for me. Donít really care about anything except what works best. Other than the gummy bears preworkout my only carb source is fruit.
    Well the thing is, youíd do better on slower carbs.

    Youíre arguing against physiology. Not me. Insulin spikes affect dopamine levels. Dopamine affects the nervous system. While itís cool to debate things, this isnít something you can debate. This is why high level power lifters take dopamine enhancing drugs before meets.

    Now what you could debate is how much of a difference does the change from person to person. But at the end of the day, optimal is still optimal.

    Could also start getting into the liver part of this as well.

    Also, 6 days a week high volume AND high intensity? I donít want to offend you. But I donít believe that. The body could maybe handle that 2 weeks tops before you started hitting some hard diminishing returns and negative side effects.

    Assuming our definition of intensity and volume is the same. Theyíre probably not.

  7. #22
    Senior Member


    Join Date
    Feb 2020
    Posts
    492

    Thanks Thanks Given 
    431
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    259
    Thanked in
    181 Posts
    Rep Points
    10096910

    Quote Originally Posted by Titan5011 View Post
    Well the thing is, youíd do better on slower carbs.

    Youíre arguing against physiology. Not me. Insulin spikes affect dopamine levels. Dopamine affects the nervous system. While itís cool to debate things, this isnít something you can debate. This is why high level power lifters take dopamine enhancing drugs before meets.

    Now what you could debate is how much of a difference does the change from person to person. But at the end of the day, optimal is still optimal.

    Could also start getting into the liver part of this as well.

    Also, 6 days a week high volume AND high intensity? I donít want to offend you. But I donít believe that. The body could maybe handle that 2 weeks tops before you started hitting some hard diminishing returns and negative side effects.

    Assuming our definition of intensity and volume is the same. Theyíre probably not.
    Thereís no debate really. Iíve tried everything and this is what works best for me. My routine is John Meadows onslaught on week 8 cals at 2000 a day. The rotund is literally a higher volume, frequency routine with lots of intensity days 6 days per week. I donít care what a study says if it works in the real world per the individual is all that matters. What do you wanna say about the liver? Fructose from fruit? Fruit isnít just fructose and itís not all the same. This is the diet I got from Phil Hernon a few years ago. I DO NOT perform better on slower carbs, that is what I did for years until I decided to say screw whatís popular and try something different. I DO BETER, BEST on what Iím doing now. You donít know anything I donít know tbh. I also have to be very careful about what I eat I have Crohns.
    Last edited by Bft84; 02-23-2021 at 06:35 PM.

  8. #23
    Super Moderator
    SUPER MOD
    Vision's Avatar


    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Anabolic Erudite
    Posts
    19,254

    Thanks Thanks Given 
    3,955
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    7,390
    Thanked in
    4,616 Posts
    Rep Points
    2147483647

    This whole carb intake has taken a turn for the worst and there's a lot of good information with good intention but it is not a cookie cutter one size for all, because certain diets and certain protocols will require different types of carbohydrates that are on the glycanic scale, it's all about timing..
    not all carbohydrates are created equal and not all of them need to fit in a perfect window like everyone else.. depending on your goal whether you're doing a recomp, whether you're cutting down, whether you're gaining weight everything is going to be timed differently especially if you're doing cardio 5 days a week or two days a week, because that alone will also induce a State of nutrition partitioning along with tools that are using and everything will be shuttled into particular areas where they are needed most... we can't just eat a cookie cutter type carbohydrate and expect the same results for everyone, carbs will change whether it is rice post or pre-workout or if it's a carbohydrate supplement intra workout, or if it's a Pop-Tart pre-workout or gummy bears post workout.. the timing will vary depending on the goal depending on the cardio and depending on the diet..
    .there is no simple formula that carbs has to be taking this way and this is a type of carbs because that is absolutely bullshit and if anybody believes that then keep doing it and continually look the same and don't make any fucking changes..
    .your body will respond differently with a different macros and nutrition when they are given at the appropriate time, it's all about timing your macros switching things up, switching up your types of carbohydrates and so on.. if this doesn't make any sense for you I would forget about reading and I would hire a coach and they'll explain everything to you... Don't just eat carbohydrates because one person told you you have to.. some people are intentionally trying to keep the furnace going and they're trying to utilize a state of thermogenesis by burning adipose tissue, only later on to incorporate a modest amount of carbohydrates pre-workout and post-workout.. and this will change also in several weeks to keep the metabolism guessing...

    if I seen the same person running the same intake with carbohydrates year-round I would stay away from any advice that individual gave you.. there's going to be adjustments and needed to be made, sometimes it's not going to be in your favor and you may not like it but it's going to change the sensitivities and how you respond with nutrition partitioning especially under the present of fasted cardio in the a.m. come for the rest of the day your body will partition nutrition in the pro for your areas and it will be utilized and ways that you have never imagined before... This whole bullshit eating carbs and protein and high calories and lifting heavy weights is some fat boy bullshit.. you'll probably look good with a shirt on but take your shirt off and you look like holy hell.. I much smaller than I used to be with a shirt on but I changed my apparel and it fits me perfect and complements me, I do miss filling out sleeves but we'll get to that point but just not right now.. you have to make adjustments.. that's why some boxers stay away from speed bags or heavy bags for a while and the only work on head movement then they switch it up and they work on foot movement you have to fine tune everything in order to integrate and put everything together at the right time and right place... This is an art, when you're not machines that you shovel nutrition down your throat expecting to get these results because you're only going to be disappointed in the end questioning why you went wrong... Know how to time your macros and know when to adjust them and when to switch them around to different times of the day rather than keeping everything the same ordinary mundane diet although still using the same ordinary boring foods...

  9. #24
    Super Moderator
    SUPER MOD
    Vision's Avatar


    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Anabolic Erudite
    Posts
    19,254

    Thanks Thanks Given 
    3,955
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    7,390
    Thanked in
    4,616 Posts
    Rep Points
    2147483647

    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddy35 View Post
    I haven't tried an intra workout drink yet. I need to look into trying one and see how it helps me out. I usually just knockback two shakers full of water.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    remember if you do the intro it's something you don't want to do for a long duration because it can affect your insulin sensitivity. All of these adjustments need to be made just like we change up our routines.. shock value shock value shock value.. if everything worked by sticking to one simple protocol that's a cookie cutter there would be no theories and explanations for all sorts of other things.. and I'll make it very unpopular statement, a lot of these theories and other protocols actually work but just for other people find out what works best for you..

  10. #25
    Senior Member
    maxmuscle1's Avatar


    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Posts
    15,578

    Thanks Thanks Given 
    23,219
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    13,112
    Thanked in
    8,126 Posts
    Rep Points
    654540769

    Very good read on carbs! Utilizing type/timing along with regimen can be confusing and journaling shows a lot.

    Max

  11. #26
    Super Moderator
    SUPER MOD
    Vision's Avatar


    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Anabolic Erudite
    Posts
    19,254

    Thanks Thanks Given 
    3,955
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    7,390
    Thanked in
    4,616 Posts
    Rep Points
    2147483647

    Quote Originally Posted by maxmuscle1 View Post
    Very good read on carbs! Utilizing type/timing along with regimen can be confusing and journaling shows a lot.

    Max
    It's the truth because the metabolism is changing throughout the day especially digestion, blood sugar levels and if and when we need a particular nutrient at a certain time. it's too easy to assume that we can just eat chicken and rice or fish and potatoes when everyone every 2 hours.. when is factors times we have to skip the carbs entirely and just eat animal beef whether it's whitefish, shrimp beef, ground turkey, or any other animal protein or even whey protein for that matter with pineapples and blueberries... And then there's appropriate window to add carbohydrates on a different glycemic scale because of the very important of why we need them to be bioavailable immediately

  12. #27
    Senior Member
    maxmuscle1's Avatar


    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Posts
    15,578

    Thanks Thanks Given 
    23,219
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    13,112
    Thanked in
    8,126 Posts
    Rep Points
    654540769

    Quote Originally Posted by Vision View Post
    It's the truth because the metabolism is changing throughout the day especially digestion, blood sugar levels and if and when we need a particular nutrient at a certain time. it's too easy to assume that we can just eat chicken and rice or fish and potatoes when everyone every 2 hours.. when is factors times we have to skip the carbs entirely and just eat animal beef whether it's whitefish, shrimp beef, ground turkey, or any other animal protein or even whey protein for that matter with pineapples and blueberries... And then there's appropriate window to add carbohydrates on a different glycemic scale because of the very important of why we need them to be bioavailable immediately
    Speaking my language my friend! Glycemic index is something I use with diabetics for a while. Also how sugar alcohols affect us and non diabetics. Even diet , 0 calorie drinks. Fascinating! A glucometer and knowledge helps a ton; especially for diabetic bodybuilders.

    Max

  13. #28
    Senior Member


    Join Date
    Feb 2020
    Posts
    492

    Thanks Thanks Given 
    431
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    259
    Thanked in
    181 Posts
    Rep Points
    10096910

    Quote Originally Posted by Vision View Post
    It's the truth because the metabolism is changing throughout the day especially digestion, blood sugar levels and if and when we need a particular nutrient at a certain time. it's too easy to assume that we can just eat chicken and rice or fish and potatoes when everyone every 2 hours.. when is factors times we have to skip the carbs entirely and just eat animal beef whether it's whitefish, shrimp beef, ground turkey, or any other animal protein or even whey protein for that matter with pineapples and blueberries... And then there's appropriate window to add carbohydrates on a different glycemic scale because of the very important of why we need them to be bioavailable immediately
    The Glycemic Index really only applies if youíre eating the carbs by themselves. Adding fats or protein slows down the digestion. All carbs are converted to glucose. All carbs are 4 cals per gram. A calorie is simply a unit of energy.

  14. #29
    Senior Member
    BigDaddy35's Avatar


    Join Date
    Dec 2020
    Posts
    292

    Thanks Thanks Given 
    77
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    147
    Thanked in
    113 Posts
    Rep Points
    1500100

    Great info. Thx


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  15. #30
    Senior Member


    Join Date
    Feb 2020
    Posts
    492

    Thanks Thanks Given 
    431
    Thanks Thanks Received 
    259
    Thanked in
    181 Posts
    Rep Points
    10096910

    Quote Originally Posted by Vision View Post
    remember if you do the intro it's something you don't want to do for a long duration because it can affect your insulin sensitivity. All of these adjustments need to be made just like we change up our routines.. shock value shock value shock value.. if everything worked by sticking to one simple protocol that's a cookie cutter there would be no theories and explanations for all sorts of other things.. and I'll make it very unpopular statement, a lot of these theories and other protocols actually work but just for other people find out what works best for you..
    But the thing is the basics do work and extremely well if done consistently for a long time.

Similar Threads

  1. Low body fat, lethargy, carb intake
    By FLsnakeman in forum Anabolic Steroids
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: 09-01-2020, 09:30 AM
  2. Carb intake timing
    By gymprincess1989 in forum Diet & Nutrition
    Replies: 17
    Last Post: 01-10-2019, 08:35 AM
  3. Post work out carb intake
    By THEWIZARDOFKOZ in forum Diet & Nutrition
    Replies: 14
    Last Post: 01-24-2015, 08:13 PM
  4. Optimal Carb Intake When Trying to Lose Fat
    By The Admin in forum Muscle Central
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 06-02-2014, 04:50 PM
  5. Eight Compelling Reasons to Reduce Your Carb Intake
    By The Admin in forum Muscle Central
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 01-23-2014, 10:00 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Copyright© 2012-2021 Anabolic Steroid Discussion Forums