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    Quote Originally Posted by Vision View Post
    remember if you do the intro it's something you don't want to do for a long duration because it can affect your insulin sensitivity. All of these adjustments need to be made just like we change up our routines.. shock value shock value shock value.. if everything worked by sticking to one simple protocol that's a cookie cutter there would be no theories and explanations for all sorts of other things.. and I'll make it very unpopular statement, a lot of these theories and other protocols actually work but just for other people find out what works best for you..
    How would you start off using them once or twice a week? Or are you referring to not using intra for weeks at a time? I have been trying to keep a lot the same in recent weeks and change one viable at a time to see how I respond. It seems to be working out pretty well for me. I can pretty quickly tell when I feel better or worse with the change. I think about all my decisions related to the timing of food, training, and cardio more.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vision View Post
    remember if you do the intro it's something you don't want to do for a long duration because it can affect your insulin sensitivity. All of these adjustments need to be made just like we change up our routines.. shock value shock value shock value.. if everything worked by sticking to one simple protocol that's a cookie cutter there would be no theories and explanations for all sorts of other things.. and I'll make it very unpopular statement, a lot of these theories and other protocols actually work but just for other people find out what works best for you..
    Curious how goes a fast acting carb that doesnít pass through the liver effect insulin sensitivity? You know what effects insulin sensitivity? Being too fat. You know helps with insulin sensitivity? Losing fat. You know who advocates sticking to the same simple approach for a very long time? Dante Trudel. Youíve said so much broscience thatís simply not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddy35 View Post
    How would you start off using them once or twice a week? Or are you referring to not using intra for weeks at a time? I have been trying to keep a lot the same in recent weeks and change one viable at a time to see how I respond. It seems to be working out pretty well for me. I can pretty quickly tell when I feel better or worse with the change. I think about all my decisions related to the timing of food, training, and cardio more.


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    lol intra workouts will do not a thing to insulin sensitivity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddy35 View Post
    How would you start off using them once or twice a week? Or are you referring to not using intra for weeks at a time? I have been trying to keep a lot the same in recent weeks and change one viable at a time to see how I respond. It seems to be working out pretty well for me. I can pretty quickly tell when I feel better or worse with the change. I think about all my decisions related to the timing of food, training, and cardio more.


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    well again this is a loaded question because it's not a matter of when to take these and how often but rather what type of routine you have with your cardio what time you're doing your cardio, what is your breakfast what is your supplements and how often are you timing your meals especially when is your pre-workout and when is your post workout because they're most important...
    When I wake up in the morning I take my super greens and my super reds, my bone broth, my BCAAs, my multivitamins, CoQ10, D3 multivitamin, vitamin C, fish oil, focus factor and depending on the week it would either be 10 or 12 oz of egg whites with two whole eggs .. a few hours later it will be ground turkey 5 oz once it's cooked with 110 g of white rice , my pre-workout will consist of the same , my post workout will be 25 g of whey protein, 60 g of cream of rice, 110 g of blueberries or pineapples.. my next meal would be 5 oz of ground beef or fish or shrimp, 3 oz of avocado, salad for a filler .but mind you I have a lot of greens with all of the other meals in between during the daytime.. before bed it was sometimes be 12 oz of egg whites with two whole eggs, and one tablespoon of almond butter .
    Or sometimes it will be one scoop of whey protein with a packet of almond nuts.
    I just these dosages with my macros and either direction during the week.. before bed I take 6 g of metamucil and 30 billion of probiotics....
    I go to sleep and then I wake up and I immediately drink a large glass of water with apple cider vinegar and a few sprinkles of Himalayan pink sea salt with with a tablespoon of fresh squeezed lemon.. occasionally in between I will sneak a meal if I'm completely famished.. my supplements with my tools are simply just 500 of testosterone e and that's two times a week Monday and Wednesday.. and bold at n 750 / 2 on Monday and Wednesday....
    Proviron everyday at 75.. arimidex at 1mg every other day.. and most importantly my cardio is fasted 5 days a week and on my fasted cardio days I train abs I pick a list of many movements and I do three of them four sets of 25..

    Also during pre-workout meal I would take one mouthful of pure honey..and before bed I will take one full tablespoon of olive butter..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bft84 View Post
    Curious how goes a fast acting carb that doesnít pass through the liver effect insulin sensitivity? You know what effects insulin sensitivity? Being too fat. You know helps with insulin sensitivity? Losing fat. You know who advocates sticking to the same simple approach for a very long time? Dante Trudel. Youíve said so much broscience thatís simply not true.

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    lol intra workouts will do not a thing to insulin sensitivity.
    That's your opinion and this is not bro science because I'm working with some boys that really know what they're doing.. it is not a cookie cutter and it's not a one size fits all and just for the record you do not know my medical history along with any genetic predispositions that I have so just maybe I'm a bit more sensitive to carbohydrates than you are..so keep doing what you're doing what works for you but I'm going to keep doing what works for me.. keep listening to YouTube videos and what other guys tell you because it fits the narrative that you would like to believe.. just for the record of all these weeks that I've been doing this I have yet experienced going hypo so just maybe after all it's working for myself..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bft84 View Post
    Curious how goes a fast acting carb that doesnít pass through the liver effect insulin sensitivity? You know what effects insulin sensitivity? Being too fat. You know helps with insulin sensitivity? Losing fat. You know who advocates sticking to the same simple approach for a very long time? Dante Trudel. Youíve said so much broscience thatís simply not true.

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    lol intra workouts will do not a thing to insulin sensitivity.
    And I don't listen to bro science I actually have a circle of guys that go on stage and I listen to everything they tell me to do when it pertains to my genetics and any predispositions that I have that works for me.
    You can't tell someone they're wrong for having a bone disease or even a genetic predisposition because you call it bro science.. not that I have any diseases I'm just letting you know that whatever you think you read is not the holy Grail of everything that everyone needs to do..
    And I have done the carb gained by pre-entra and post and eventually caught up to me.. we can't be doing these protocols forever because you will develop insulin sensitivity.. so please don't tell me that.by no means am I being a wise ass I'm talking about personal experience and how I respond and how I've seen other respond..
    just because that guy's wearing a red shirt doesn't mean they go out and buy the red shirt cuz you look like him..

    You need to fully understand about timing.. and timing is different for everybody everybody has a different response and different ratio of enzymes especially in their digestive system.. don't categorize everybody into one lump sum because that is bro science

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vision View Post
    That's your opinion and this is not bro science because I'm working with some boys that really know what they're doing.. it is not a cookie cutter and it's not a one size fits all and just for the record you do not know my medical history along with any genetic predispositions that I have so just maybe I'm a bit more sensitive to carbohydrates than you are..so keep doing what you're doing what works for you but I'm going to keep doing what works for me.. keep listening to YouTube videos and what other guys tell you because it fits the narrative that you would like to believe.. just for the record of all these weeks that I've been doing this I have yet experienced going hypo so just maybe after all it's working for myself..
    Ive worked with coaches. Phil Hernon and quite a few others. So go somewhere else with the YouTube video bs. Cool it works for you but youíre far from the rule. The basics done consistently work well for the majority of people for a very long time. There is no way an intraworkout daily in and of itself is going to create insulin resistance in the majority of people. Itís like if someone with kidney disease came in here and told people not to eat large amounts of protein. They are the exception not the rule. Just like I function better on low fat with the majority of carbs from fruits. I have medical issues I am the exception not the rule
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bft84 View Post
    Ive worked with coaches. Phil Hernon and quite a few others. So go somewhere else with the YouTube video bs. Cool it works for you but youíre far from the rule. The basics done consistently work well for the majority of people for a very long time. There is no way an intraworkout daily in and of itself is going to create insulin resistance in the majority of people. Itís like if someone with kidney disease came in here and told people not to eat large amounts of protein. They are the exception not the rule. Just like I function better on low fat with the majority of carbs from fruits. I have medical issues I am the exception not the rule
    I think that's pretty cool about your resume but you can't see here and sump everybody up into one big cookie cutter one size fits all, and you can't sit here and say that this or that will not create this environment because this is science and there's a lot of unpredictabilities and there's a lot of underlining issues that you do not know about because you're not a doctor or a specialist, then you would be surprised on how sensitive people respond to particular foods and nutrition


    If you think I'm pulling this out of your ass that I'm quite confident that you'll have better luck at farting peas at the Moon then trying to convince me. It's a very large industry with a lot of protocols and you're stamping your foot as if what you know is a holy Grail. I'm not throwing around on my resume because I don't need to. Because I can guarantee I've been in this game a long time and I've made a lot of mistakes and change my standpoint 10 times over and listened and absorbed and made adjustments and adaptions along the way.
    not exactly sure why you're trying to pound into it that I'm wrong when in fact it sounds silly that you're sitting here emphasizing on each and every single thing I'm saying is wrong wrong.. matter of fact I'm rather curious on who you are and what gives you this undivine level of experience that is supported with nothing but facts that will fit each and every single individual. I normally don't engage in tit for tat back and forth so you'll be wasting your time hereafter because I know who I affiliate with and I know what works with the guys I work with and that's all that matters.. we do make adjustments we do not have cookie cutters and we do not force ideas and theories on the people that may not work for them. Throwing names around does not mean you earned that knowledge it just means you were around people. I've worked in the hospital it didn't make me a doctor.

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    And there's really no need for your sarcasm especially with your YouTube BS which in fact I have no idea on how that is supposed to be directed at me but I'm dealing with coaches and trainers in real life and nutritionist and other specialists. but have a good day man because I'm not trying to argue with you and I don't know you, and I'm not trying to start any problems and I sure as heck don't want to be wrapped up in any sort of silly sauce.. agreed to disagree because if you don't know how then you're in the wrong line of business.. have a good night man I wish you well and stay healthy

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    carbs AKA sugar what I learned wearing a dexcom kinda blew my mind, glucose tabs or straight sugar hit immediately and last about 15- 30 minutes and barely raises my blood sugar, candy like chocolate actually will start to raise my sugar slowly and hangs around a bit longer so in about 15- 30 minutes it will raise my blood sugar and then stick around for about an hour. bread and pasta last a few hours they usually can carry me over to the next meal. pototoes especially french fries or potato chips will stay in my system for 12 hours, I avoid rice and potatoes except on thanksgiving love those mash potatoes, also I inject 3 to four times the amount of insulin needed for these carbs. So lets say I eat 80carbs of bread and I inject 16 iu of humalog I will probably get a rise in blood sugar to about 180 but will be below 140 in about 2 hours. If I eat 80carbs of rice and inject 16iu of insulin I will probably end up around 300, and about 2-3 hours later inject about 8iu for being at 300 and my blood sugar wont move. 3-4 hour later I will inject 8 iu again and I will usually skip 2 meals in the process just to get back to a normal level. So these carbs I have to avoid, but for you guys that arent type one I way say get some rice or potatoes the meal before your workout and this should feed your body energy enough to sustain you thru the day, especially if your one of these guys that use slin preworkout
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vision View Post
    And there's really no need for your sarcasm especially with your YouTube BS which in fact I have no idea on how that is supposed to be directed at me but I'm dealing with coaches and trainers in real life and nutritionist and other specialists. but have a good day man because I'm not trying to argue with you and I don't know you, and I'm not trying to start any problems and I sure as heck don't want to be wrapped up in any sort of silly sauce.. agreed to disagree because if you don't know how then you're in the wrong line of business.. have a good night man I wish you well and stay healthy
    Youíre the one who originally mentioned YouTube to me. Can you not keep up with what youíre saying?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koolio View Post
    This will sound old fashioned but it has worked for me for years...first, I lift early in the morning on an empty stomach...anaerobic exercise uses sugar for fuel...by the end of my workout I have exhausted my blood sugar and stored sugar reserves...then I do my aerobic stuff like stationary bike pedaling for 30 minutes...this will cause my body to burn fat for fuel...for breakfast I will have eggs...no carbs...this causes my body to continue to burn fat for fuel as my metabolism is running on "high"...carbs and protein are then eaten throughout the day to replenish sugar reserves...I have stayed lean for 40 years training this way...at 61 my bf is around 10-12%...again, it is o!d fashioned...
    I want to do this but this sounds so horrible.

    Working out on an empty stomach. Rough stuff man.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RussianMuscle View Post
    I want to do this but this sounds so horrible.

    Working out on an empty stomach. Rough stuff man.


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    It is rough at first but you get used to doing fasted cardio and actually it kind of becomes addictive.
    You feel great, and it helps with nutrition partitioning.
    I'm not suggesting that you eat like garbage, but you can slip up here and there and doesn't cause as much damage.
    After fasted cardio I have 10 oz of egg whites with two whole legs, the furnace is continuously burning.
    The only carbs are pre-workout and post-workout, for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vision View Post
    I have roughly 60 carbs per meal, I eat 45min pre workout, and use Carb Gain by NOW at 90g intra workout with creatine, and 60g carb gain post workout..

    Carb gain is flavorless and I mix it with Gatorade powder to add a little bit it sodium.. I also carry around a bag of tortilla's and pull one out here and there and just roll it up and eat it with a few swigs of water..
    Going to have to give carb gain a try! Thanks for sharing the info.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DCThegreattt2 View Post
    Going to have to give carb gain a try! Thanks for sharing the info.


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    there's a very good chance that you will most likely like this supplement, especially for intra, you can throw in some BCAAs, and you can really give yourself some fuel.
    Just be careful and don't make it a habit to use this stuff throughout your day as a substitute for what you can get with your diet whether it's rice or red potatoes or whatever other carbohydrate means.
    It mixes great,but at first it can be a bit clumpy but don't worry it will break down by the time you get to the gym. Just shake it vigorously and you'll be good.

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    Recently raised my carb intake to 300g-350g and to be quite honest, I felt like garbage. Sluggish, bloated, etc.

    I usually consume my carbs with my first two meals and my post workout meal. I don't do well with eating tons of food in general.

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