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    Quote Originally Posted by randy4me View Post
    America has problem with criminals having illegal guns and getting shot by the police. What is the black population of those other countries?
    So youíre saying the majority of people cops kill in America are black?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigtoe View Post
    You have to look at the total population of the other countries too.
    If you read the article they did take into account population size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Admin View Post
    If you read the article they did take into account population size.
    I'm going to have to read that as soon as I get a chance. Sounds interesting.

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    Iím not anti cop but we definitely have a problem and need police reform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigtoe View Post
    You have to look at the total population of the other countries too.

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    Some of those countries you can't even own a gun. Police there don't have the same problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Admin View Post
    So youíre saying the majority of people cops kill in America are black?
    I was listening to the news yesterday on my Alexa and they are now saying that black babies with white doctors have something like a 1 in 4 chance of dying and that the white doctors dont care about the black babies.

    So now idiots are saying it's not just the white cops but white doctors killing black babies too.

    See if you can dig that bs up and take a look. I'm on the road at the moment but would like to find that news article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randy4me View Post
    Some of those countries you can't even own a gun. Police there don't have the same problems.
    I wonder what the ratio of cops being killed there is vs in the US.

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    It's probably very rare unless they get run over by a car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randy4me View Post
    Some of those countries you can't even own a gun. Police there don't have the same problems.
    So criminals own guns legally? I don't understand your point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Admin View Post
    So criminals own guns legally? I don't understand your point.
    Guns aren't there to be had in those other countries. You might have to pay $25k on the black market for one is some of those countries. If you have $25k in cash you probably have no reason to be shooting at cops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stinkfingerdelux View Post
    This is the kind of reply I like. And yes I agree after the way you put it. Just in general. I'm not a fan of police use of force.

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    I am with you. The problem is a lot of officers don't escalate step by step they literally go 0-100. Those guys are fuckheads and put a black eye on the good ones. Those are the ones that when they take someone down that isn't even resisting they use maximum force and manhandle guys. They have little mans syndrome in the worst way and I would bet most got into policing because they had issues since they were kids whether it was other kids or family that fucked them up.

    My best friend has been a cop for over 20 years and I have run scenarios by him all the time. He explained the escalation to me when I asked him what he would do if he pulled over an old lady that wouldn't rol down her window when he walked up. It opened my eyes to how good cops keep a small incident from getting huge by controlling how much it escalates. After watching him rise up the force I have a theory that most not all cops that make it past 10 years of duty tend to be the good ones. It's that first 10 years that the bad ones do some shit and either get fired or just move to another department and start over. Even when he was first on the force he was kind of a dick but not to bad. Over the years and things he has seen he has learned from and is actually a really nice guy and pretty fair when it comes to how he deals with people.

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    Also i would like to add that at times cops have to make split second decisions on what level of escalation they take it to. If they are interacting with a guy that's running away and they see him reach into his jacket or pants they have a second or two at most to decipher if he is trying to ditch some drugs on him or is pulling a gun/knife out. Same as the guy in his car as they are pulling him out and struggling with him they had to decide if he was diving back in his car to try and get away from them or was reaching for a gun. Obviously in this case he was reaching for a gun. One payed with his life and another almost did. Now you take the situation in Wisconsin where the guy was diving back into his car. He had already fought the police and they were amped struggling with him. The guy that shot him chose not find out he was going for a gun and going to kill him by using lethal force. They had already tried to use non-lethal force with a taser that didn't work and he kept fighting. That's a hard situation to be in and have to decide. Two scenarios where the cops were escalating the use of force. The first one died because the guy did have a gun. The second the guy was shot 7 times and didn't have time to grab his knife and make an attempt on the cops lives.

    There are absolutely cops that are assholes out there. I have yet to read a story where someone complies from the beginning that ends up dead. At some point these guys start fighting with cops regardless if they are in cuffs or not and they refuse to listen. That's when bad things happen.

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    I think at 5-6 years on duty substance abuse starts. Drinking or drugs
    Year 7 I believe is when the suicide rate is at the highest.

    While I believe I heard 99% of police shootings were justified. There definitely is a need for more funding to provide more weekly training for police. I think the average weekly training is less than an hour and a half per week.
    If the police disappear the elites will get private security the normal man, woman and child will have to defend themselves. That will be a bad situation

    An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.
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    If you want to see whatís wrong with America watch this video

    Quote Originally Posted by randy4me View Post
    Guns aren't there to be had in those other countries. You might have to pay $25k on the black market for one is some of those countries. If you have $25k in cash you probably have no reason to be shooting at cops.
    So if we ban guns in America we will have less people killed by cops? Jacob Blake didnít have a gun, he had a knife. I could post numerous videos of cops killing unarmed people.

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    If you want to see whatís wrong with America watch this video

    And no Iím not defending Jacob Blake, Iím supporting the arguments of needing police reform, a lot more training and that cops kill unarmed people, or armed with something less than a gun, quite often. In the JB situation knowing before the cops arrived JB had a violent criminal history he never should have been able to fight them off, stand back up, walk all the way around to the other side of his car and open the door. No he wasnít killed, but that was the intent with 7 shots to the back at close range. And as I said above I could go find many videos of cops killing unarmed people. Cops are not the judge, jury and executioner.

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