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    experienced juicers-be honest!

    I know i've seen alot of u guys post that u get just as much bang for your buck doing 500 mg of test as u do doing a gram. Is that the general consensus? And i've seen alot of u post that u stay away from orals altogether. I' m not sure I've ever stuck to 500 w/o cheating here or there so....... And, it's been a long time since I've done a test only cycle.(no orals) what is your experience? It's only been a couple of weeks since I quit the t-bol and dropped the test-so far, so good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hot rod View Post
    I know i've seen alot of u guys post that u get just as much bang for your buck doing 500 mg of test as u do doing a gram. Is that the general consensus? And i've seen alot of u post that u stay away from orals altogether. I' m not sure I've ever stuck to 500 w/o cheating here or there so....... And, it's been a long time since I've done a test only cycle.(no orals) what is your experience? It's only been a couple of weeks since I quit the t-bol and dropped the test-so far, so good.
    My sweet spot for test (blast) is around 800 mgs ew.
    The best protocol for me is to do another compound, (let's say Deca) with test for 8-10 weeks,
    Then switch the deca for tren e,
    Or something similar. Switching compounds after 8 weeks or so really throws me over any plateau I may have reached. I just recently did this with the injectables but I added some sdrol pre-workout and exploded with the gains.
    Also, when you reach a certain muscle mass, you inherently need more test during the blast if you plan on getting any bigger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hot rod View Post
    I know i've seen alot of u guys post that u get just as much bang for your buck doing 500 mg of test as u do doing a gram. Is that the general consensus? And i've seen alot of u post that u stay away from orals altogether. I' m not sure I've ever stuck to 500 w/o cheating here or there so....... And, it's been a long time since I've done a test only cycle.(no orals) what is your experience? It's only been a couple of weeks since I quit the t-bol and dropped the test-so far, so good.

    LOL! No. Not at all. Doses go up, certain compounds added in, results get better. The main problem for me is sides, and, at my age, some of them are worse. There is a size dose relationship. As you grow into the results of 500mg of testosterone, simply doing 500 mg is only going to support so much additional muscle tissue, just like your natty levels only support so much (and much less than the 500mg will support). Higher doses and additional compounds will add more.

    That does not mean a beginner should start with an IFBB pro's cycle. It just means one grows into higher doses. I hope that last statement makes sense.

    If this were not so, then Olympia competitors would all be on 500mg of testosterone battling it out on the Olympia stage . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by hot rod View Post
    I know i've seen alot of u guys post that u get just as much bang for your buck doing 500 mg of test as u do doing a gram. Is that the general consensus? And i've seen alot of u post that u stay away from orals altogether. I' m not sure I've ever stuck to 500 w/o cheating here or there so....... And, it's been a long time since I've done a test only cycle.(no orals) what is your experience? It's only been a couple of weeks since I quit the t-bol and dropped the test-so far, so good.
    I'm no expert but I've heard many people say the difference between 750mg test weekly and a gram is very little. Also quite a few guys say only run a gram total of everything per week. The returns on running more than 750 MGS isnt there for the normal individual. On orals I Know dbol filters thru the liver twice and is very hard on some individuals. I think but could be wrong some other orals filter twice as well. which is why people stay away completely or just bare it out for 4 to maybe 6 weeks. If I'm wrong someone correct me

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    Quote Originally Posted by malfeasance View Post
    LOL! No. Not at all. Doses go up, certain compounds added in, results get better. The main problem for me is sides, and, at my age, some of them are worse. There is a size dose relationship. As you grow into the results of 500mg of testosterone, simply doing 500 mg is only going to support so much additional muscle tissue, just like your natty levels only support so much (and much less than the 500mg will support). Higher doses and additional compounds will add more.

    That does not mean a beginner should start with an IFBB pro's cycle. It just means one grows into higher doses. I hope that last statement makes sense.

    If this were not so, then Olympia competitors would all be on 500mg of testosterone battling it out on the Olympia stage . . .
    Couldnít agree more. The beginning of my offseason prep for contest I was at 1gram Of test and 400mg Deca. Definitely saw better results than 500mg and didnít have any more sides. My body seems to be getting used to higher dosages. I put on 28lbs of quality mass which is the most I have ever gained. Obviously nutrition/calories were higher than its ever been as well.


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    Free test is where it's at. If you're running extra test and it's still mostly bound, then you didn't get any real benefit by doubling down on that dose.

    In before anyone said "compound xyz really shines at 1g ew".

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    Quote Originally Posted by hot rod View Post
    I know i've seen alot of u guys post that u get just as much bang for your buck doing 500 mg of test as u do doing a gram. Is that the general consensus? And i've seen alot of u post that u stay away from orals altogether. I' m not sure I've ever stuck to 500 w/o cheating here or there so....... And, it's been a long time since I've done a test only cycle.(no orals) what is your experience? It's only been a couple of weeks since I quit the t-bol and dropped the test-so far, so good.
    If u run 500mg Test solo versus 1gram solo and ate and trained the same each cycle, you will make more gains on the 1g. You will also have more sides, need more AI, BP may go up, might lose more hair, acne, ect..

    I ran a gram solo a few months ago and had good results. When adding anabolics and/or orals I drop the test down to a Max of 750 nowadays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Multislacking View Post
    Free test is where it's at. If you're running extra test and it's still mostly bound, then you didn't get any real benefit by doubling down on that dose.

    In before anyone said "compound xyz really shines at 1g ew".
    ok, i'll bite. what do u mean bound and how do u unbind it? lol Seriously, what's the best way to up your free test?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hot rod View Post
    ok, i'll bite. what do u mean bound and how do u unbind it? lol Seriously, what's the best way to up your free test?
    I sound like a broken record but....Vision has an excellent mast/provi writeup and labs to show results. I'm kind of a KISS (keep it simple stupid) guy myself and will usually just run mast in my mix. But that's me being cheap and lazy. Even at just trt dose, I like to add a little mast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hot rod View Post
    ok, i'll bite. what do u mean bound and how do u unbind it? lol Seriously, what's the best way to up your free test?
    mast and provi

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    Quote Originally Posted by hot rod View Post
    ok, i'll bite. what do u mean bound and how do u unbind it? lol Seriously, what's the best way to up your free test?
    Proviron honestly seems to do the job on its own. My free test was half of total test when running Proviron which is crazy high. I was at 2300 Total test and 1140 free Test when I added in Proviron at 75mg a day.


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    Quote Originally Posted by heckler7 View Post
    mast and provi
    I love provi, just taking a little break( not sure why). not a big fan of mast. but only tried it once. made my fuckin hair fall out and didn't seem to do a whole lot. then again, most of what provi does is kinda hidden in a way. maybe I should give it another shot.( pun intended) not sure about my source at that time either so........

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    More Test is better but guys that eat 2k calories wont see a difference because they aren't eating for it.

    All posts are for entertainment and may contain fiction. Consult a medical doctor before using any medications or supplements. Heavyiron does not advocate any illegal activity.
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    I am still learning from y'all. So I can not add much. I do know my body likes this shit....and I suspect I am able to handle more than most rookies. I know I am on Basicstero pharma mix 6 1 cc and and half a cc of of Pharma Nolt blend. I have gained incredible strength in 3 months(was on 600mg of Sust and 300mg of the nolt mix). I have lost fat and added good muscle. I look like Flair in his late 40
    s basically...instead of King Kong Bundy...lol... when I started.... Next stop is Triple HHH in his 2002ish prime!!!! WOOOOOOOOO!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyiron View Post
    More Test is better but guys that eat 2k calories wont see a difference because they aren't eating for it.
    How can anybody eat 2000 calories? I would feel like I was dying of starvation.

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