Trump said he'd be signing a NEW health plan two weeks ago.Where is it? (obamacare repeal)

[Milford King]

First of all... it’s been less than 4 years of nothing but Whiney do nothing beta bitch Democrat’s standing in the presidents way every step of the way...

secondly, he’s done more in 4 years than the last four presidents did their entire terms.. it takes awhile to unweave this web of bullshit your little fuck buddy democrats have spun up.. give him another 4 years and I bet he’ll make his promises a reality. Vote trump bitch.

and Thirdly, there’s no middle ground when it comes to democrats... there’s right (constitution) and wrong (progressive libtard demon rat ass clowns)

and lastly, when’s the last time you hit the gym? I put in a great workout in my home gym that i built and save and put together myself over the past 5 months since this plandemic (scamdemic) started... what have you done ? Besides cry yourself to sleep cuz Trump is the fucking man! Best prez ever... democrats are so vile I’m gonna have to make up a new word to describe them ...

ps - the time for “middle ground” hath come and it most certainly hath gone... buh byes

 

[Swiper]

OH . . . you think that old document still matters and that we have a government of enumerated powers . . . how quaint.

unfortunately it doesn’t matter to anyone anymore. that’s why this country is so messed up.

 

[kilsong]

Because you’re not worth replying to. Go spew your Trump hate elsewhere, we are not ignorant sheep.

Awww.. babe.
That's all you got? I thought for SURE you'd enlighten us with a new diversion tactic. But you opted to attack me instead. Makes me sad. I thought you and I had something. Something real. Tell me it ain't so!
If I didn't know better, I'd think you wanted me to stop posting in the Pit.

I fart in your general direction sir.

BWAHAHHAH!
Nooooot the middle ground is where it's at!

 

[Arnold]

Awww.. babe.
That's all you got? I thought for SURE you'd enlighten us with a new diversion tactic. But you opted to attack me instead. Makes me sad. I thought you and I had something. Something real. Tell me it ain't so!
If I didn't know better, I'd think you wanted me to stop posting in the Pit.

I fart in your general direction sir.



BWAHAHHAH!
Nooooot the middle ground is where it's at!

You actually got many intelligent replies to your question, why didn't you respond to anyone of them?

 

[malfeasance]

The point of this thread was to show yet another lie this man has created.
Whether u like Obama care or not, isn't the issue.
He ONCE AGAIN made a promise and failed to deliver.
Lies.. Lies.. Lies.
Not ONE of you have addressed the lie.
Blindless faith and support cant be good.
All u guys do is use childish insults and deflect.

Silly.

You fuck up my family's health insurance with the misused power of your vote, and all you want to do is complain that the President "lied" about doing something that you don't want him to do anyway? Really?

Please link me to your posts complaining about lies uttered by President Obama. If you can't do that, then the "point" of this post has nothing to do with the current occupant of the White House. It has everything to do with your freakish desire to control every aspect of the lives of your fellow Americans with your collectivist social planning and your frustration that the current occupant of the White House does not share your views.

You can, of course, prove me wrong merely by linking us to your threads complaining about lies by President Obama when he was occupying the White House. Any other response just means you are bitter at your inability to control us further with your vote for the last 3 plus years.

 

[malfeasance]

You actually got many intelligent replies to your question, why didn't you respond to anyone of them?

Logic. Train of thought. The ability to connect consequences to actions. Tolerance of others' ideas or event he ability to listen intelligently to ideas with which one disagrees. These are not traits of the collectivist mind, which is why their vision always ends up with mass graves and starvation.

It does not matter what sort of socialism we are discussing, whether the "socialist workers party" that ran Germany in the 30s and 40s, sending about 13 million to their graves (the majority of which were not Jews, which nobody seems to want to discuss, merely advocating for individual liberty got you the same treatment) or the socialists that ran the Soviet Union (twenty million dead) and China (60 million dead) in the twentieth century - add it up, that's about 100 million people before we even add in places like Cambodia and Korea . . .

Social planning and control only works if you exercise control, and that means force.

That's why I can't buy the insurance I want to buy and nobody can sell it to me even though they want to - because kilsong and tens of millions of other Americans chose to exercise their votes in favor of control and force.

 

[Milford King]

Logic. Train of thought. The ability to connect consequences to actions. Tolerance of others' ideas or event he ability to listen intelligently to ideas with which one disagrees. These are not traits of the collectivist mind, which is why their vision always ends up with mass graves and starvation.

It does not matter what sort of socialism we are discussing, whether the "socialist workers party" that ran Germany in the 30s and 40s, sending about 13 million to their graves (the majority of which were not Jews, which nobody seems to want to discuss, merely advocating for individual liberty got you the same treatment) or the socialists that ran the Soviet Union (twenty million dead) and China (60 million dead) in the twentieth century - add it up, that's about 100 million people before we even add in places like Cambodia and Korea . . .

Social planning and control only works if you exercise control, and that means force.

That's why I can't buy the insurance I want to buy and nobody can sell it to me even though they want to - because kilsong and tens of millions of other Americans chose to exercise their votes in favor of control and force.

malfeasance for office! Mic drop

 

[GJ503]

Logic. Train of thought. The ability to connect consequences to actions. Tolerance of others' ideas or event he ability to listen intelligently to ideas with which one disagrees. These are not traits of the collectivist mind, which is why their vision always ends up with mass graves and starvation.

It does not matter what sort of socialism we are discussing, whether the "socialist workers party" that ran Germany in the 30s and 40s, sending about 13 million to their graves (the majority of which were not Jews, which nobody seems to want to discuss, merely advocating for individual liberty got you the same treatment) or the socialists that ran the Soviet Union (twenty million dead) and China (60 million dead) in the twentieth century - add it up, that's about 100 million people before we even add in places like Cambodia and Korea . . .

Social planning and control only works if you exercise control, and that means force.

That's why I can't buy the insurance I want to buy and nobody can sell it to me even though they want to - because kilsong and tens of millions of other Americans chose to exercise their votes in favor of control and force.

Democrats are not socialists. There was full democratic control of both the house and senate for a while when Obama was president and our country added the same amount of monthly job numbers as Trump has been getting and the stock market tripled in value in 8 years. Red baiting got old in the 50's, find a new boogie man. Oh wait, secret pedo rings and the deep state.

 

[Arnold]

Democrats are not socialists.

Could have fooled me.

 

[IronRage]

Could have fooled me.

He’s kinda right, at the rate the dems are going communist is probably a more accurate term.

 

[hot rod]

Please explain to me the middle ground I should be seeking when my insurance is now ten times as expensive and yet somehow still basically useless to me? That looks pretty fucking black and white to me.

just to be clear, I wasn't talking about the insurance w/ the grey area stuff. just meant in general. I totally agree that's fucked up and should be repealed/fixed immediately. some things are def. black/white and that's one of them.

 

[Arnold]

He’s kinda right, at the rate the dems are going communist is probably a more accurate term.

lol agreed.

 

[kilsong]

You actually got many intelligent replies to your question, why didn't you respond to anyone of them?

Show me ONE that explains this current lie put out by this man.
All I saw was childish name calling and complaints about Obamacare.

Instead The Admin calling me stupid, a better administrator would provide an answer to my query.
Not you tho...
Hmmm..

 

[IronRage]

Show me ONE that explains this current lie put out by this man.
All I saw was childish name calling and complaints about Obamacare.

Instead The Admin calling me stupid, a better administrator would provide an answer to my query.
Not you tho...
Hmmm..

Let’s be honest, if trump did repeal it you would bitch about that too.

 

[kilsong]

Again...(try and pay attention this time).
This has nothing to do with if I approve of Obamacare or not.
It's about yet another BLATANT lie from your God....
...and why this one too is acceptable to you.
You.

 

[malfeasance]

So . . . you are just trolling rather than wanting to have an intelligent discussion. Right. Now we get it. "your God lied" Life must be tough when you spend it all in such deep hatred of one individual that you run around looking for anything to nitpick - even things you did not nitpick when those you voted for were in power. Does not sound like a good way to live, but then I believe in leaving you free to live the way you decide. I just wish you would consider voting to leave me free to live the way I decide instead of the way you decide for me.

 

[E.J.D]

Again...(try and pay attention this time).
This has nothing to do with if I approve of Obamacare or not.
It's about yet another BLATANT lie from your God....
...and why this one too is acceptable to you.
You.

Obamacare
'Partially delivered' graphic
Before: One of Mr Trump's trademark rally pledges was to repeal and replace Obamacare - his predecessor's attempt to extend healthcare to the estimated 15% of the country who are not covered.

It is widely hated by Republicans, who say the law imposes too many costs on business, with many describing it as a "job killer" and decrying the reforms - officially the Affordable Care Act - as an unwarranted intrusion into the affairs of private businesses and individuals.

After: While Republicans have been unable to pass a repeal or reform bill, the Trump administration has managed to dismantle parts of the law - enrolment periods have been shortened, some subsidies have been axed, and the fine for people who did not purchase health insurance has been eliminated as part of the tax plan.

And in December 2018, a federal judge in Texas ruled that repealing this penalty, an "essential" part of the law, meant the entirety of Obamacare is therefore unconstitutional.

The law, however, remains in place as an appeal heads to the US Supreme Court.
This is from BBC.com

He's done what he can with the hand he's been delt. So yes he's tried to fullfil his promise but can't do much because of what Obama did before him.

 

[kilsong]

So . . . you are just trolling rather than wanting to have an intelligent discussion.

An intelligent discussion would be one where one participant asks a specific question and the other participant replies.
I held up my end of the agreement.
What about you?
What about the rest of you?
Where's the explanation ?

 

[kilsong]

Obamacare

He's done what he can with the hand he's been delt. So yes he's tried to fullfil his promise but can't do much because of what Obama did before him.

What has he accomplished thus far?
He's been babbling about this for FIVE years.

Also...copy/paste post should be limited to a sentence or two. Otherwise it's not YOUR thought.
Come on babe...be better.

 

[malfeasance]

Democrats are not socialists. There was full democratic control of both the house and senate for a while when Obama was president and our country added the same amount of monthly job numbers as Trump has been getting and the stock market tripled in value in 8 years. Red baiting got old in the 50's, find a new boogie man. Oh wait, secret pedo rings and the deep state.

The economy took off in Germany when the socialists workers party legally took power too. I fail to see how this alone is the test of whether a party is socialist. Rather, start looking at the level of control they wish to exert over the economy and your personal choices, the social planning they wish to impose.

How long did "full democrat control of the house and senate" last? TWO YEARS. Americans reacted negatively to the socialist control over health insurance and put a Republican majority in the House.

But what happened in those two years? Social planning and control. That's what. They took away the choice of free men to choose what is best and imposed a planned program that you must adhere to or be penalized.

And that was just in two years. Imagine what would have happened and they been permitted to continue for more than one legislative session?

By the way, for those unsubsidized, which means those would could easily afford insurance prior to Obamacare, the ranks of the uninsured have risen from 2016 to 2018 (just two years) by 2.5 million, a 40% drop.

REAL EXAMPLE FROM 2019: [FONT=Muli, Helvetica Neue, Arial, sans-serif]For example, when a 60-year old couple in Grand Island, Nebraska making $70,000 a year—which is just slightly too much to qualify for Obamacare’s premium subsidy—is faced with paying $38,000, over half of their yearly income, to buy a silver plan with an $11,100 annual maximum out-of-pocket limit.[/FONT]

[FONT=Muli, Helvetica Neue, Arial, sans-serif]A majority of their annual income for insurance with a $11,100 deductible.

So, yeah, you can claim that because they did not take full control of the entire economy in that two year window that they are not really socialist, but I think it is more a matter of what they were able to do in two years as opposed to a real difference in philosophy.

If it makes you feel any better, I think Republicans are Socialist Lite. But, yeah, by and large democrats are socialists. When I sit and talk with Democrats in 2020, those who can actually articulate their ideas and plans (which is not very many) advocate many of the same things that collectivists and social planners were discussing all through the twentieth century. They are socialist in all but name.

Most of them cannot connect consequences to their ideas well enough to see that one must use force to impose planning on an entire nation, though. They think they have the moral high ground and are merely "helping people." This thoughtless sort of philosophy and motivation is what makes the democrat party particularly attractive to women - and without those thoughtless "we just wan to help" female voters the democrats would not have won a single presidential election in your lifetime.

Both parties are shifting left, though. Republicans have adopted a lot of socialist ideas of their own, even though they typically campaign hard on classical liberal ideas of liberty and small government. Somehow government just keeps getting bigger even when they win. [/FONT]

 

[malfeasance]

What has he accomplished thus far?
He's been babbling about this for FIVE years.

Typical of one on the far left - you think the executive has control over things like this all by himself. Please go read Article II of the constitution and inform yourself of the powers of the executive before writing further.

Republican politicians by and large have supported this socialist takeover of health insurance, which is why legislation to repeal Obamacare failed. What do you want Trump to do? Dissolve Congress and impose his will like a dictator? Can't happen under our constitutional system of government.

 

[E.J.D]

The point of this thread was to show yet another lie this man has created.
Whether u like Obama care or not, isn't the issue.
He ONCE AGAIN made a promise and failed to deliver.
Lies.. Lies.. Lies.
Not ONE of you have addressed the lie.
Blindless faith and support cant be good.
All u guys do is use childish insults and deflect.

Silly.

I gave you the info you were looking for. Not good enough for you. So no he didn't lie your just not accepting of the facts. Come on man, deep down somewhere your better than that.

 

[kilsong]

Typical of one on the far left - you think the executive has control over things like this all by himself. Please go read Article II of the constitution and inform yourself of the powers of the executive before writing further.

Republican politicians by and large have supported this socialist takeover of health insurance, which is why legislation to repeal Obamacare failed. What do you want Trump to do? Dissolve Congress and impose his will like a dictator? Can't happen under our constitutional system of government.

Can you copy and paste that constitution thingy here?
What do I want him to do?
I want him to do what he said. in the 4 years since this debacle began what has he accomplished insofar as getting rid of Obamacare? He got knocked out in court. He knew that was coming. What is/was his plan b?

I gave you the info you were looking for. Not good enough for you. So no he didn't lie your just not accepting of the facts. Come on man, deep down somewhere your better than that.

You provided nothing. Stop it.

 

[malfeasance]

What do I want him to do?
I want him to do what he said.

Is this an honest answer?

- - - Updated - - -

And, if so, after losing efforts to repeal it in Congress and in the courts, what exactly is it you want him to do and how?

 

[IronRage]

An intelligent discussion would be one where one participant asks a specific question and the other participant replies.
I held up my end of the agreement.
What about you?
What about the rest of you?
Where's the explanation ?

So you want to make a big deal over a two week timeframe as if delays never happen in government?? I wouldn’t really consider it a lie. The important thing is he has a better plan, timeframe is insignificant at this point.

 

[Rot-Iron66]

Guys, trying to talk to a lib about facts is like talking to a water-head, don't bother. Economy was dynamite until the China virus. (One of the best economies in history).
Libs were doing everything they could to take him down. Virus came around, they pounced on it, closed down economy (not just them, but they love it and go the extra mile and make retard decisions w/ peoples lives and livelihoods for the fake virus).
Demtard run states are the most violent and whacky there is. Ghey Barry O was the worst in history, I actually liked Clinton, why? The economy was great, jobs were a plenty. I dont care that he was a dem. Things were good.
Dems today cant admit the economy was fantastic, they cant see past their TDS rage. Brain-dead cult of cuntz honestly. Very whacky... This new Charlie acct is just a broken record, bizarre feller...

 

[E.J.D]

Guys, trying to talk to a lib about facts is like talking to a water-head, don't bother. Economy was dynamite until the China virus. (One of the best economies in history).
Libs were doing everything they could to take him down. Virus came around, they pounced on it, closed down economy (not just them, but they love it and go the extra mile and make retard decisions w/ peoples lives and livelihoods for the fake virus).
Demtard run states are the most violent and whacky there is. Ghey Barry O was the worst in history, I actually liked Clinton, why? The economy was great, jobs were a plenty. I dont care that he was a dem. Things were good.
Dems today cant admit the economy was fantastic, they cant see past their TDS rage. Brain-dead cult of cuntz honestly. Very whacky... This new Charlie acct is just a broken record, bizarre feller...

Well said Sir!!!

 

[IronRage]

Guys, trying to talk to a lib about facts is like talking to a water-head, don't bother. Economy was dynamite until the China virus. (One of the best economies in history).
Libs were doing everything they could to take him down. Virus came around, they pounced on it, closed down economy (not just them, but they love it and go the extra mile and make retard decisions w/ peoples lives and livelihoods for the fake virus).
Demtard run states are the most violent and whacky there is. Ghey Barry O was the worst in history, I actually liked Clinton, why? The economy was great, jobs were a plenty. I dont care that he was a dem. Things were good.
Dems today cant admit the economy was fantastic, they cant see past their TDS rage. Brain-dead cult of cuntz honestly. Very whacky... This new Charlie acct is just a broken record, bizarre feller...

Economy should be top priority, we’ll never see a healthy economy under democrat leadership again.

 

[Arnold]

Instead The Admin calling me stupid, a better administrator would provide an answer to my query.
Not you tho...
Hmmm..

I guess you cannot read, this was my reply:

Because you’re not worth replying to. Go spew your Trump hate elsewhere, we are not ignorant sheep.

 

[GJ503]

The economy took off in Germany when the socialists workers party legally took power too. I fail to see how this alone is the test of whether a party is socialist. Rather, start looking at the level of control they wish to exert over the economy and your personal choices, the social planning they wish to impose.

How long did "full democrat control of the house and senate" last? TWO YEARS. Americans reacted negatively to the socialist control over health insurance and put a Republican majority in the House.

But what happened in those two years? Social planning and control. That's what. They took away the choice of free men to choose what is best and imposed a planned program that you must adhere to or be penalized.

And that was just in two years. Imagine what would have happened and they been permitted to continue for more than one legislative session?

By the way, for those unsubsidized, which means those would could easily afford insurance prior to Obamacare, the ranks of the uninsured have risen from 2016 to 2018 (just two years) by 2.5 million, a 40% drop.

REAL EXAMPLE FROM 2019: For example, when a 60-year old couple in Grand Island, Nebraska making $70,000 a year—which is just slightly too much to qualify for Obamacare’s premium subsidy—is faced with paying $38,000, over half of their yearly income, to buy a silver plan with an $11,100 annual maximum out-of-pocket limit.

A majority of their annual income for insurance with a $11,100 deductible.

So, yeah, you can claim that because they did not take full control of the entire economy in that two year window that they are not really socialist, but I think it is more a matter of what they were able to do in two years as opposed to a real difference in philosophy.

If it makes you feel any better, I think Republicans are Socialist Lite. But, yeah, by and large democrats are socialists. When I sit and talk with Democrats in 2020, those who can actually articulate their ideas and plans (which is not very many) advocate many of the same things that collectivists and social planners were discussing all through the twentieth century. They are socialist in all but name.

Most of them cannot connect consequences to their ideas well enough to see that one must use force to impose planning on an entire nation, though. They think they have the moral high ground and are merely "helping people." This thoughtless sort of philosophy and motivation is what makes the democrat party particularly attractive to women - and without those thoughtless "we just wan to help" female voters the democrats would not have won a single presidential election in your lifetime.

Both parties are shifting left, though. Republicans have adopted a lot of socialist ideas of their own, even though they typically campaign hard on classical liberal ideas of liberty and small government. Somehow government just keeps getting bigger even when they win.

I agree that both parties have gotten comfortable with the fact that either will likely be in power. A viable third party would be great to shake up the divide and conquer politics of America. There are aspects of limited government that I can definitely get behind but I want medicare and social security when I'm 65. The hypocrisy of the right is what gets me. Death penalty good, abortion bad. Tax and spend bad but tax and buy billion dollar smart bombs good. Government health care bad but I'm signing up for medicare (which is pretty friggin good coverage) when I turn 65. The right's fascination with Trump is also hard to comprehend. For a part that tries to claim the more high ground they are backing an immoral swindler. If that POS is ordained by God it is not the God I'm familiar with.