Former Firefighter stops mass shooting. We need our guns!!!

custom · Aug 9, 2019

SPRINGFIELD, Mo. The Springfield Police Department says it responded to a call of an active shooter at the Walmart Neighborhood Market at Republic Rd., near Golden Ave., Thursday evening.

The Springfield Police Department arrived on scene within three minutes of the call. Police stated that a young white male, appearing to be in his twenties, pulled up to the Walmart, where he donned body armor and military fatigues. Police say the man had tactical weapons.
Police then say the man walked into the Walmart: Neighborhood Market where he grabbed a cart and began pushing it around the store. Police say the man was recording himself walking through the store via a cell phone.
The store manager at the Neighborhood Market pulled a fire alarm, urging people to escape the store.
Police say the man then made his way out an emergency exit where a former firefighter held the man at gunpoint. At that moment Springfield Police arrived on scene and detained the man.
The Springfield Police Department could not confirm the nature of statements said by the man to those inside of the Walmart, but they do confirm that the man had loaded weapons, and over one hundred rounds of ammunition.
Police also observed many shoppers hiding outside the Walmart and at nearby businesses.
Lieutenant Mike Lucas said it was clear the man's intent was to cause chaos, saying in part, "His intent was not to cause peace or comfort...He's lucky he's alive still, to be honest."
Police identified the man's vehicle and are investigating the possibility of more firearms inside the vehicle.

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Multislacking · Aug 9, 2019

Sounds like a "death by cop" suicide attempt considering he didn't use his weapons. And who stops to get a cart on a shooting spree? "Oh yeah...i need to pick up eggs while i'm here."

custom · Aug 9, 2019

Multislacking said:
Sounds like a "death by cop" suicide attempt considering he didn't use his weapons. And who stops to get a cart on a shooting spree? "Oh yeah...i need to pick up eggs while i'm here."

I don't know why he grabbed a cart he was only there for tampons lol

chocolatemalt · Aug 9, 2019

More guns are the answer.

What if I'm in a bar at midnight with a friend, blotto as fuck, and we want to form "a well regulated militia" right on the spot? Any attempt to hinder that is anti-Constitutional by definition so y'all naysayers should be lined up and shot, right?

We need gun vending machines right next to the condom machines in all bar bathrooms.

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If you disagree, you're anti-American.

custom · Aug 9, 2019

chocolatemalt said:
More guns are the answer.

What if I'm in a bar at midnight with a friend, blotto as fuck, and we want to form "a well regulated militia" right on the spot? Any attempt to hinder that is anti-Constitutional by definition so y'all naysayers should be lined up and shot, right?

We need gun vending machines right next to the condom machines in all bar bathrooms.

If you disagree, you're anti-American.

And by law they should be tax deductible!

chocolatemalt · Aug 9, 2019

custom said:
And by law they should be tax deductible!

Well they better be since I'm putting my WIC card in that machine to get my guns.

Milford King · Aug 9, 2019

chocolatemalt said:
More guns are the answer.

What if I'm in a bar at midnight with a friend, blotto as fuck, and we want to form "a well regulated militia" right on the spot? Any attempt to hinder that is anti-Constitutional by definition so y'all naysayers should be lined up and shot, right?

We need gun vending machines right next to the condom machines in all bar bathrooms.

If you disagree, you're anti-American.

hell yeah brother, I’m proud of you

so proud!

Rot-Iron66 · Aug 9, 2019

Need an anabolic-bro to fact-check this...

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There are 30,000 gun related death s per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed. The U.S. population is 324,059,091 as of June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.00925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year. Statistically speaking, this is insignificant! What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:

65% of those deaths are by suicide, which would never be prevented by gun laws.
15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified.
17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – better known as gun violence.
3% are accidental discharge deaths.

So technically, “gun violence” is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many? Now lets look at how those deaths spanned across the nation.
480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years)
So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.

This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.

Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So, if all cities and states are not created equal, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.

Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assaults are all done by criminals. It is ludicrous to think that criminals will obey laws. That is why they are called criminals.

But what about other deaths each year?
40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths.
34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide).

Now it gets good:
200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are safer walking in the worst areas of Chicago than you are when you are in a hospital!

710,000 people die per year from heart disease. It’s time to stop the double cheeseburgers! So, what is the point? If the liberal loons and the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.).

A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total number of gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides ……………. Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions! So, you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns?

It’s pretty simple:
Taking away guns gives control to governments. The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.

Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs . So, the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster: “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed.”

TX_hempknight · Aug 9, 2019

chocolatemalt said:
Well they better be since I'm putting my WIC card in that machine to get my guns.

This still has me cracking up.

heckler7 · Aug 9, 2019

how do we stop mass stabbing

https://abc7.com/video-shows-vicious-attack-in-orange-county-stabbing-spree/5453077/

custom · Aug 9, 2019

Rot-Iron66 said:
Need an anabolic-bro to fact-check this...

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There are 30,000 gun related death s per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed. The U.S. population is 324,059,091 as of June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.00925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year. Statistically speaking, this is insignificant! What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:

65% of those deaths are by suicide, which would never be prevented by gun laws.
15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified.
17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – better known as gun violence.
3% are accidental discharge deaths.

So technically, “gun violence” is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many? Now lets look at how those deaths spanned across the nation.
480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years)
So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.

This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.

Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So, if all cities and states are not created equal, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.

Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assaults are all done by criminals. It is ludicrous to think that criminals will obey laws. That is why they are called criminals.

But what about other deaths each year?
40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths.
34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide).

Now it gets good:
200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are safer walking in the worst areas of Chicago than you are when you are in a hospital!

710,000 people die per year from heart disease. It’s time to stop the double cheeseburgers! So, what is the point? If the liberal loons and the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.).

A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total number of gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides ……………. Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions! So, you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns?

It’s pretty simple:
Taking away guns gives control to governments. The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.

Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs . So, the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster: “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed.”

This is a great read! Thanks for posting

custom · Aug 9, 2019

Multislacking said:
Sounds like a "death by cop" suicide attempt considering he didn't use his weapons. And who stops to get a cart on a shooting spree? "Oh yeah...i need to pick up eggs while i'm here."

If it were death by cop his hands wouldn't be raised. I think he pussied out at the last minute. Thank God

chocolatemalt · Aug 9, 2019

heckler7 said:
how do we stop mass stabbing

https://abc7.com/video-shows-vicious-attack-in-orange-county-stabbing-spree/5453077/

Do you not listen to our exalted president Trump at all?

Duh.

By getting rid of violent video games!

And curing the whole mental health problem by, you know, SOMEHOW!

Funding health care! Without increasing the federal deficit as Trump has already done!

Duh!

chocolatemalt · Aug 9, 2019

Our exalted commander in chief.

Just wondering, do you libertarian-leaning folks here support the Red Flag Laws (seize those guns!) and the new focus on violent video games that are likely the cause behind so much of this massive bang bang pow pow?

Speak your mind.

Rot-Iron66 · Aug 9, 2019

They all do it:

Obama asked Congress to allocate $10 million for a study by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) looking at the relationship between video games, violence in the media, and gun violence.

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TX_hempknight · Aug 9, 2019

chocolatemalt said:
Our exalted commander in chief.

Just wondering, do you libertarian-leaning folks here support the Red Flag Laws (seize those guns!) and the new focus on violent video games that are likely the cause behind so much of this massive bang bang pow pow?

Speak your mind.

Come now my chocolatemalted friend. Of course not. As a libertarian, we frown upon any infringements upon our constitutional rights. The focus on video games is strictly upon the parents. Ive been in gamestop and watch a mother buy GTA for her not even teenage kids. What we need is more ass whoopings in the home and tell them no. Perhaps more focus on family and IDK, maybe unification. Stop drugging kids would go a long way as well.

Now do you want to get to the conspiracy theory side of these mass shootings? Lmao.

Swiper · Aug 10, 2019

chocolatemalt said:
Our exalted commander in chief.

Just wondering, do you libertarian-leaning folks here support the Red Flag Laws (seize those guns!) and the new focus on violent video games that are likely the cause behind so much of this massive bang bang pow pow?

Speak your mind.

It’s unfortunate Trump supports gun confiscation and denying people their Second Amendment rights.

On a happier note, i don’t think any no new gun laws will be passed by Congress and signed into law.

Rajput · Aug 18, 2019

https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/pak...cer-stopped-norway-mosque-shooting-1.65792876

You dont necessarily need guns to protect yourself. Just say you really want a gun. No need to keep giving hypothetical situations where you might need it.

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IronRage · Aug 19, 2019

chocolatemalt said:
More guns are the answer.

What if I'm in a bar at midnight with a friend, blotto as fuck, and we want to form "a well regulated militia" right on the spot? Any attempt to hinder that is anti-Constitutional by definition so y'all naysayers should be lined up and shot, right?

We need gun vending machines right next to the condom machines in all bar bathrooms.

If you disagree, you're anti-American.

You seem to have a warped view on the issue, I don’t know anyone who is claiming that’s the answer

IronRage · Aug 19, 2019

Rot-Iron66 said:
Need an anabolic-bro to fact-check this...

----------------

There are 30,000 gun related death s per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed. The U.S. population is 324,059,091 as of June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.00925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year. Statistically speaking, this is insignificant! What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:

65% of those deaths are by suicide, which would never be prevented by gun laws.
15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified.
17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – better known as gun violence.
3% are accidental discharge deaths.

So technically, “gun violence” is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many? Now lets look at how those deaths spanned across the nation.
480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years)
So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.

This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.

Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So, if all cities and states are not created equal, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.

Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assaults are all done by criminals. It is ludicrous to think that criminals will obey laws. That is why they are called criminals.

But what about other deaths each year?
40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths.
34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide).

Now it gets good:
200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are safer walking in the worst areas of Chicago than you are when you are in a hospital!

710,000 people die per year from heart disease. It’s time to stop the double cheeseburgers! So, what is the point? If the liberal loons and the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.).

A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total number of gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides ……………. Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions! So, you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns?

It’s pretty simple:
Taking away guns gives control to governments. The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.

Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs . So, the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster: “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed.”

You posted facts, the anti-rights folk won’t like it one bit

chocolatemalt · Aug 20, 2019

IronRage said:
You seem to have a warped view on the issue, I don’t know anyone who is claiming that’s the answer

Vending machines in bar bathrooms is an important test case, imo... do you support open access to guns or not?

Re: expanding background checks (a clear attack on my vending machine proposal) our Dear Leader has backtracked once again. I assume people around here are breathing a sigh of relief:

https://www.businessinsider.com/tru...ngful-background-checks-guns-shootings-2019-8

custom · Aug 20, 2019

Rot-Iron66 said:
Need an anabolic-bro to fact-check this...

----------------

There are 30,000 gun related death s per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed. The U.S. population is 324,059,091 as of June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.00925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year. Statistically speaking, this is insignificant! What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:

65% of those deaths are by suicide, which would never be prevented by gun laws.
15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified.
17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – better known as gun violence.
3% are accidental discharge deaths.

So technically, “gun violence” is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many? Now lets look at how those deaths spanned across the nation.
480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years)
So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.

This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.

Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So, if all cities and states are not created equal, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.

Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assaults are all done by criminals. It is ludicrous to think that criminals will obey laws. That is why they are called criminals.

But what about other deaths each year?
40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths.
34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide).

Now it gets good:
200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are safer walking in the worst areas of Chicago than you are when you are in a hospital!

710,000 people die per year from heart disease. It’s time to stop the double cheeseburgers! So, what is the point? If the liberal loons and the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.).

A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total number of gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides ……………. Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions! So, you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns?

It’s pretty simple:
Taking away guns gives control to governments. The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.

Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs . So, the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster: “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed.”

But you need to look at it in murders. Police and self defense I don't think are in doubt here. So there were about 7000 murders by handgun and a little over 3000 by other sort of firearms. So 20,000 were police, self defense, suicide ect.

malfeasance · Aug 20, 2019

chocolatemalt said:
Vending machines in bar bathrooms is an important test case, imo... do you support open access to guns or not?

Ok, so if this becomes law, at the next scary movie, I am going to have to watch the woman frantically digging out quarters and sticking them into the vending machine while the stalker's footsteps get closer, and closer, and then she drops some quarters, and then finally gets them in the machine, you can hear the door opening behind her as she selects the AK-47 option, those little metal spirals start turning, and then it happens, its stuck! She starts beating on the machine frantically to get the gun to drop down . . .

malfeasance · Aug 20, 2019

Rajput said:
https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/pak...cer-stopped-norway-mosque-shooting-1.65792876

You dont necessarily need guns to protect yourself. Just say you really want a gun. No need to keep giving hypothetical situations where you might need it.

At least one muslim person in New Zealand died trying to do the same thing. Go find the video if you want to see what I am mentioning.

Odds are you will never need a gun to protect yourself. If you do, however, it is too late to go get one at that point in time.

Rajput · Aug 20, 2019

malfeasance said:
At least one muslim person in New Zealand died trying to do the same thing. Go find the video if you want to see what I am mentioning.

Odds are you will never need a gun to protect yourself. If you do, however, it is too late to go get one at that point in time.

You can die holding a gun too, trying to stop the other guy. Also causing a lot of collateral damage.
People these days have anger management issue, depression and all sorts of fucked up mental disorders. Handing them a gun is a recipe for disaster since selling of guns most often does not involve a strict qualification process.

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chocolatemalt · Aug 20, 2019

Rajput said:
You can die holding a gun too, trying to stop the other guy. Also causing a lot of collateral damage.
People these days have anger management issue, depression and all sorts of fucked up mental disorders. Handing them a gun is a recipe for disaster since selling of guns most often does not involve a strict qualification process.

Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk

Yeah it does. If you got no valid credit card, or enough change, you get no AK from the bar bathroom vending machine.

Tbj555 · Aug 20, 2019

I think handguns only allowed in the vending machines, due to long gun prices will be way too much change to carry in a pocket.

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