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Dems pursue ‘impeachment investigation’ with bid for grand jury info, insist Mueller

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Dems pursue ‘impeachment investigation’ with bid for grand jury info, insist Mueller delivered

Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee said Friday they are proceeding with what they called an “impeachment investigation,” as they insisted former Special Counsel Robert Mueller delivered damning testimony against President Trump in this week's hearing despite concerns from many on the left that his appearance was faltering and broke little new ground.

As a major next step, Chairman Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., and the committee filed a petition in D.C. federal court on Friday to obtain grand jury materials from the former special counsel’s investigation. The petition claims the panel needs the information in order to determine whether to recommend articles of impeachment, in an attempt to give the request more weight in the eyes of the court.

"To meaningfully consider whether to exercise this authority -- as well as to exercise its other pressing legislative and oversight responsibilities -- the Committee must obtain evidence and testimony in a timely manner," the filing reads.

Nadler called the grand jury materials “critically important” for their investigation. In the petition, Democrats on the committee noted that because Justice Department policies do not allow the prosecution of a sitting president, the House of Representatives is “the only institution of the federal government” that can hold Trump accountable.

“The House must have access to all evidence,” Nadler said. “We are exercising our constitutional authority. We are continuing the investigation of President Trump’s malfeasances, and we will do and consider what we have to consider including whether we should recommend Articles of Impeachment to the House. We may, we may not. It remains to be seen."

It's unclear what new information might be found in the grand jury transcripts. Many of the high-profile witnesses connected to the White House, for instance, appeared for voluntary questioning before Mueller's team rather than before the grand jury.

Nadler also said the committee would seek to enforce subpoenas for former White House Counsel Don McGahn, in another escalation of their anti-Trump probes. That lawsuit is expected to be filed next week and challenge the administration's claim that former White House employees have "absolute immunity" from testifying before Congress. Nadler said the committee is still negotiating with McGahn for documents and testimony, and the committee will file the lawsuit "in very short order" if he does not comply.

But while Nadler and other senior Democratic leaders indicated they're keeping impeachment on the table -- without committing to it publicly -- colleagues who spoke alongside him at the same press conference described these investigative steps as a deliberate precursor to a formal decision on recommending impeachment articles.

“We are crossing the threshold,” Rep. Veronica Escobar, D-Texas, said. “When you think about the mode we were operating under before, it was an oversight function. This is now crossing the threshold with this filing, and officially entering into an examination into whether or not to recommend articles of impeachment—I just want to make that point clear.”

Rep. Eric Swalwell, D-Calif., added that the petition marks “the first time” that the committee is sending a “telegraph to the court that one of the remedies we have is impeachment.”

“This is an impeachment investigation, on whether we should introduce articles of impeachment to Congress,” he said.

This description, though, prompted confusion on Capitol Hill. Republicans on the same committee insisted that the House has not entered a formal impeachment inquiry, meaning Democrats aren't entitled to the grand jury material they seek.

"The House is either formally in impeachment proceedings, which involve both an impeachment inquiry and consideration of articles of impeachment, or we are not. It’s a binary issue," a GOP aide said in an email.

House Judiciary Committee Ranking Member Doug Collins, R-Ga., blasted Nadler's move to "sue for grand jury material to which they have no right."

"Chairman Nadler’s legal action here is sure to fail, weakening Congress’s ability to conduct oversight now and into the future. If my colleagues want grand jury information, they should propose legislation allowing Congress to access it," he said in a statement. "Democrats want to convince their base they’re still wedded to impeachment even after this week’s hearing, but a baseless legal claim is an odd way to show that.”

But Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, D-Texas, said the petition to the court Friday will help the committee “delve even further.”

“We are not running away from articles of impeachment,” she said. “We are building it on a trail of misconduct that was evidenced very deeply on Wednesday.”

During her weekly press conference, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., on Friday said she was "not trying to run out the clock" on impeachment as she kept options open despite a public reluctance to proceed with impeachment.

"Let's get sophisticated on this," she said. "We will proceed when we have what we need to proceed--not one day sooner."

She added that rank-and-file Democrats advocating for impeachment only gives her "leverage."

"I have no complaint with what they're doing," she said. "So I am willing to take whatever heat there is to say the decision will be made in a timely fashion. This isn't endless. But when we have the best possible case. And that isn't endless either."

The escalation comes after Mueller delivered his highly anticipated testimony for hours on Wednesday before both the Judiciary and House Intelligence Committees. After the back-to-back hearings, even some on the left felt they were given little new material to fuel a case for impeachment. But Nadler, on Friday, said Mueller's testimony was an "inflection point."

Nadler claimed Mueller's report showed the Trump campaign welcomed Russian interference in the 2016 election and Trump "repeatedly lied to cover it up" -- and his testimony "removed all doubt" about those points.

Since the hearing, at least a half-dozen congressional Democrats have supported the launch of a formal impeachment inquiry.

Democrats have been seeking the grand jury material from a redacted version of Mueller's report for months. Attorney General Bill Barr made public a version that protected sensitive sources and methods, grand jury material, and more. Grand jury material is typically kept secret, per U.S. code.

Mueller stood by his team's findings at Wednesday's hearings—reiterating that the special counsel’s office found no evidence of a criminal conspiracy between Trump associates and Russia, while also stating that the president was not exonerated on allegations of obstruction of justice despite his assertions to the contrary.

But in doing so, he also repeatedly refused to drift beyond the bounds of his report.

This was, to an extent, expected as Mueller had signaled he would only address material already in the public record.

Source: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/de...-for-grand-jury-info-insist-mueller-delivered
 
I know it's politics, but damn...it seems like it has gotten ridiculous in the last few decades. I would say "imagine what we could accomplish if we all did our jobs" but nahhh...
 
Prime example of nigger bullshit.

Going to spend more money and waste more time on something that won't happen.

Even if the house unanimously passed for impeachment due to Democrat majority vote...it will never pass the republican senate.

This will piss off a lot of citizens and cost them the election. Why? Bc most won't agree and see this as more bullshit. Even Pelosi sees this as nigger bullshit.
 
Prime example of nigger bullshit.

Going to spend more money and waste more time on something that won't happen.

Even if the house unanimously passed for impeachment due to Democrat majority vote...it will never pass the republican senate.

This will piss off a lot of citizens and cost them the election. Why? Bc most won't agree and see this as more bullshit. Even Pelosi sees this as nigger bullshit.


What? You love Pelosi?!
 
What? You love Pelosi?!

I love that the snake is eating its own tail.

Pretty soon they will turn on the old white democrats who no longer fit the extreme left agenda.

Loving it.


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I love that the snake is eating its own tail.

Pretty soon they will turn on the old white democrats who no longer fit the extreme left agenda.

Loving it.


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We're still a very long way from what happened to the GOP going far right and then losing control of the party to a demagogue. We'll see, but I think the younger more extreme Dems will flame out.
 
We're still a very long way from what happened to the GOP going far right and then losing control of the party to a demagogue. We'll see, but I think the younger more extreme Dems will flame out.
Went far right and lost control?

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You really don't know what I'm talking about? This has been extensively covered over the last 2.5 years even by conservative media.
I'm confused Republicans went far right and allowed Trump to win the election?

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There is big money to made off this scam or the dems. wouldn't be pressing it. Scum like this only put their hands in the jar when there is 100% profit to be made. This is the exact reason we see so many dems. running for a political office they know there's no change of winning. That's because they make huge profits from simply running. Its all under the table and difficult to trace but all of them do it, yes even the republicans do it too. Election fraud.


Government in general is a massive fraud and most Americans are completely blind to it.
 
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We're still a very long way from what happened to the GOP going far right and then losing control of the party to a demagogue. We'll see, but I think the younger more extreme Dems will flame out.

Uhh, what? The demtards are so extreme its insane. The 4-bitches w/ a muzzy-woman who hates America. Dem's wanting to give terrorist prisoners (marathon bomber) the right to vote, demtards attacking ICE agents and killing one, wanting open borders for any criminal and cartel to enter freely. I think all politicians suck, but the left is just insane since Trump won. (Hug rooms, crying melt-downs, attacking old men in MAGA hats, etc). Both parties can be insane, but left is trying to make America a muzzy country.

Pubtards basically left Ghey Barry the Muzzy alone and waited their turn. The constant attacks on a US president has never been seen like this before. Insane libby retards.
 
Uhh, what? The demtards are so extreme its insane. The 4-bitches w/ a muzzy-woman who hates America. Dem's wanting to give terrorist prisoners (marathon bomber) the right to vote, demtards attacking ICE agents and killing one, wanting open borders for any criminal and cartel to enter freely. I think all politicians suck, but the left is just insane since Trump won. (Hug rooms, crying melt-downs, attacking old men in MAGA hats, etc). Both parties can be insane, but left is trying to make America a muzzy country.

Pubtards basically left Ghey Barry the Muzzy alone and waited their turn. The constant attacks on a US president has never been seen like this before. Insane libby retards.

Ha ha! Dude this is so fucking funny I'm considering printing it out and hanging on the wall. You know, for edification purposes of my compatriots.

For you other right-leaning fine gentlemen here, do you feel Rot-Iron66's carefully considered political analysis is on point? Ja? Nein? I'm genuinely curious.
 
Ha ha! Dude this is so fucking funny I'm considering printing it out and hanging on the wall. You know, for edification purposes of my compatriots.

For you other right-leaning fine gentlemen here, do you feel Rot-Iron66's carefully considered political analysis is on point? Ja? Nein? I'm genuinely curious.

So what’s changed so much about the Republican Party?? You’re hatred for trump is blinding you to the facts, the Democrats get more extreme every year but I guess the “I can be whatever race or gender I feel like that day” or the “I can marry who or whatever I want” or the “I can use whatever bathroom i want” and all the other pc bullshit has been around for centuries right??
 
Trump won because most American's are tired of politicians that talk out of their ass and lie and never do anything except come out of office multi-millionaires.
 
Trump 2020 ;)
 
So what’s changed so much about the Republican Party?? You’re hatred for trump is blinding you to the facts, the Democrats get more extreme every year but I guess the “I can be whatever race or gender I feel like that day” or the “I can marry who or whatever I want” or the “I can use whatever bathroom i want” and all the other pc bullshit has been around for centuries right??


Actually I like a bunch of things about Trump, no blind hatred here:

1) He's bluntly, often stupidly honest. His remark about being able to shoot someone on 5th Ave and not lose any of his supporters was a great example. He understood his supporters quite well.

2) He exposed the deep schizophrenia in the GOP between the cheap labor-hungry corporate sorts running mega-farms and other employers of undocumented immigrants, and the xenophobic "base". This last election, the base rose up and seized power.

3) His simplistic free-market impulses are like a bull in a china shop in some places that the GOP needed the china carefully arranged and undisturbed. The state medical insurance markets under Obamacare are a great example -- Trump says "Let people buy insurance in ANY market, join em up and prices will drop!" And he's right, and the GOP-supporting insurers will lose profits in a big way. I'm a huge Trump supporter on this point.

4) Trump wants Americans to be able to import cheap pharm drugs from Canada more easily, a long time Dem-supported proposal. Awesome! Of course, drugs are cheaper there because the socialized medical system dictates those lower prices, so we'd be leveraging another nation's socialism to stop the price gouging. Precious. Big Pharma is not pleased of course, nor are the GOP establishment that has taken so much of their cash.


So Trump can be a big advantage sometimes if you like seeing the establishment GOP policies getting gut-punched.
 
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