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Left-wing protesters pull down American flag, raise Mexico flag

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Pussy/insane libtards, trying to kill America w/ Mexicans, shit-skin muzzies and open borders. Really insane.
Trump isnt deploding, libtards and those 4-whacky kuntz (AOC, etc) sure are though. Trump 2020, w/ ease...

Kep Maerica safe/secure. Just look at UK and sweden, a muzzy murder/rape fest...
 
doesnt matter, its over. Trump changed the assylum law, immagrants can no longer use this loophole. While the people protesting and focusing on making a scene for the media Trump killed their dreams forever
 
doesnt matter, its over. Trump changed the assylum law, immagrants can no longer use this loophole. While the people protesting and focusing on making a scene for the media Trump killed their dreams forever

please xplain, I missed this fantastic news
 
please xplain, I missed this fantastic news
They changed the "rules" and not the law and it's being challenged in court. They have to apply for asylum in the 1st country they arrive at. If Mexico denies them asylum then they can apply with the US. Hopefully it will slow them down.

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They changed the "rules" and not the law and it's being challenged in court. They have to apply for asylum in the 1st country they arrive at. If Mexico denies them asylum then they can apply with the US. Hopefully it will slow them down.

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It sure should slow them down, if Mexico does their part.

Here's an interesting summary on the UN migration pact.

https://www.eurocanadian.ca/2018/11/un-migrant-compact-death-of-nations.html
 
FDR and Trump are very similar in there approach (Supreme Court justices being appointed for policy advancement- I get it)

FDR didn’t end the depression with his policies, WW2 did.

FDR denied stalins reign of terror and supported communist advances into China (I get it, again WW2.)

FDR wasn’t a bad President but he wasn’t the holy grail of presidency.

But still, the Democratic Party back then isn’t the democratic party today.

FDR and Trump have different personalities but the approach is similar.

It's pointless to separate out "FDR's policies" from "WW2". Both are massive gov't spending, the same Keynesian stimulus at heart for an under performing low-demand economy. Gov't spending, whether it's schools, highways, police, or blowing shit up with the military is all still gov't spending.

Also, FDR's policies got us involved in WW2 as soon as possible, so one leads to the other: FDR's policies -> WW2. He was fighting huge internal opposition against involvement, i.e. Conservative isolationist movement. Nonetheless we supplied Britain with food and war materials long before the Pearl Harbor attack effectively smashed down the right wing isolationists from further influence, alongside pro-Nazi sympathizers as well.

Funny, they never really went away did they? Trump brought that zombie out of the dungeon.

So much to be proud of there.

The massive WW2 spending surge put everyone to work, but other sorts of spending would do just as well (better in fact, since you get infrastructure out of it) -- look at post-WW2 Japan, Germany, or Costa Rica. Tiny to non-existent military, yet robust growth. Costa Rica in particular puts all its neighbors to shame. You do not need military spending for economic growth, although it can be an "easy mode" political solution when you have anti-gov't spending conservatives who somehow think massive military budgets are "ok" but nothing else.

FDR and his New Deal gave us the Middle Class.

Without his policies we'd still have Gilded Age oligarchic control of the economy, most people living in piss poor working class conditions, trailer parks, ghettos, etc... what the oligarchs are trying to bring back for us today. The golden age of middle class America was the 30's - 70's, each generation living much better than the one before. It's been eroding ever since. That gap between the lines in the graph is wealth that has been siphoned off nearly all wage-earners into the pockets of corporate ownership. The balance shifted, hence no more golden age.

It's common for Liberals to blame Reagan for starting this trend -- and he certainly contributed mightily -- but it actually began in the early 70's, a decade before him and a product of much larger political forces than just one president or even one party.

productivity-versus-wages.jpg



I have trouble seeing much similarity between FDR and Trump... that's a real reach. But Trump does (or did?) want to push through a massive $1 trillion infrastructure bill, and that's FDR-style socialist gov't expenditure all the way, for sure.

You think the GOP will ever allow him to do it though? They had two years of full control (before losing the House in '18) and I only saw Trump get swatted down.
 
Oh, but ghee wiz, isn’t globalization the goal? Suck us dry then go.... back to your shithole country, fatter. Lol

this shit is pathetic.
 
It's pointless to separate out "FDR's policies" from "WW2". Both are massive gov't spending, the same Keynesian stimulus at heart for an under performing low-demand economy. Gov't spending, whether it's schools, highways, police, or blowing shit up with the military is all still gov't spending.

Also, FDR's policies got us involved in WW2 as soon as possible, so one leads to the other: FDR's policies -> WW2. He was fighting huge internal opposition against involvement, i.e. Conservative isolationist movement. Nonetheless we supplied Britain with food and war materials long before the Pearl Harbor attack effectively smashed down the right wing isolationists from further influence, alongside pro-Nazi sympathizers as well.

Funny, they never really went away did they? Trump brought that zombie out of the dungeon.

So much to be proud of there.

The massive WW2 spending surge put everyone to work, but other sorts of spending would do just as well (better in fact, since you get infrastructure out of it) -- look at post-WW2 Japan, Germany, or Costa Rica. Tiny to non-existent military, yet robust growth. Costa Rica in particular puts all its neighbors to shame. You do not need military spending for economic growth, although it can be an "easy mode" political solution when you have anti-gov't spending conservatives who somehow think massive military budgets are "ok" but nothing else.

FDR and his New Deal gave us the Middle Class.

Without his policies we'd still have Gilded Age oligarchic control of the economy, most people living in piss poor working class conditions, trailer parks, ghettos, etc... what the oligarchs are trying to bring back for us today. The golden age of middle class America was the 30's - 70's, each generation living much better than the one before. It's been eroding ever since. That gap between the lines in the graph is wealth that has been siphoned off nearly all wage-earners into the pockets of corporate ownership. The balance shifted, hence no more golden age.

It's common for Liberals to blame Reagan for starting this trend -- and he certainly contributed mightily -- but it actually began in the early 70's, a decade before him and a product of much larger political forces than just one president or even one party.

productivity-versus-wages.jpg



I have trouble seeing much similarity between FDR and Trump... that's a real reach. But Trump does (or did?) want to push through a massive $1 trillion infrastructure bill, and that's FDR-style socialist gov't expenditure all the way, for sure.

You think the GOP will ever allow him to do it though? They had two years of full control (before losing the House in '18) and I only saw Trump get swatted down.

Lol didn’t know you were a history teacher bro. I regress. You win. I’ll still vote trump 2020 and bitch about paying for abortions and other programs I don’t agree with as well as providing for those that refuse to do for themselves.

also nationalism isn’t a crime, nor is it a bad thing.
 
mexico already offered these people assylum yet they continued, proves its for economic reasons not safety

Good god. Have you seen the murder rates in Honduras? Guatemala... El Savador? Take a look and have your eyes opened.

Yes, it's economic reasons as well. Of course it is. It's both. Would you want to get murdered by street gangs in your home country, or be unable to find any decent paying work there? I'm guessing you'd want neither.

Also, MX is not terribly safe either these days. Not as bad as those three countries on the southern border, but the Mexican "War on Drugs" is a very different beast than the one we have here in the US. 100,000+ killed in the last 13 years? Entire Mexican states beyond federal control? I stopped following it a while back. But anyway, if I were a Honduran on the march north I'd want to make it to Texas.

That said, we can't let em all in.
 
Good god. Have you seen the murder rates in Honduras? Guatemala... El Savador? Take a look and have your eyes opened.

Yes, it's economic reasons as well. Of course it is. It's both. Would you want to get murdered by street gangs in your home country, or be unable to find any decent paying work there? I'm guessing you'd want neither.

Also, MX is not terribly safe either these days. Not as bad as those three countries on the southern border, but the Mexican "War on Drugs" is a very different beast than the one we have here in the US. 100,000+ killed in the last 13 years? Entire Mexican states beyond federal control? I stopped following it a while back. But anyway, if I were a Honduran on the march north I'd want to make it to Texas.

That said, we can't let em all in.

which is why they should stay home... fix there own problems... like we did back in the day.

Its not difficult.
 
Good god. Have you seen the murder rates in Honduras? Guatemala... El Savador? Take a look and have your eyes opened.

Yes, it's economic reasons as well. Of course it is. It's both. Would you want to get murdered by street gangs in your home country, or be unable to find any decent paying work there? I'm guessing you'd want neither.

Also, MX is not terribly safe either these days. Not as bad as those three countries on the southern border, but the Mexican "War on Drugs" is a very different beast than the one we have here in the US. 100,000+ killed in the last 13 years? Entire Mexican states beyond federal control? I stopped following it a while back. But anyway, if I were a Honduran on the march north I'd want to make it to Texas.

That said, we can't let em all in.
I didnt deny any of that, and have no problem with people coming here. but the facts arent at being aknowledge by either side, and the wacky dems are full on lying about everything so its hard to take a real problem and fix it when they want to focus on shit that doesnt exist
 
Military expansion 101... the United States should own all of Central America and South America. Haha
 
Good god. Have you seen the murder rates in Honduras? Guatemala... El Savador? Take a look and have your eyes opened.

Yes, it's economic reasons as well. Of course it is. It's both. Would you want to get murdered by street gangs in your home country, or be unable to find any decent paying work there? I'm guessing you'd want neither.

Also, MX is not terribly safe either these days. Not as bad as those three countries on the southern border, but the Mexican "War on Drugs" is a very different beast than the one we have here in the US. 100,000+ killed in the last 13 years? Entire Mexican states beyond federal control? I stopped following it a while back. But anyway, if I were a Honduran on the march north I'd want to make it to Texas.

That said, we can't let em all in.
They have to be fleeing persecution by their own government for legit asylem. The people that are leaving are the ones thay actully have money. They are paying the cartels thousands of dollars for the not so safe passage to our border.



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I don't necessarily think so either.

But what made you mention it? My comment about pro-Nazi sympathizers and Trump's resurrection of them?

sort of... but only because being a white Christian in the US always seems to trigger the left wingers into calling names like ... racist or nazi...

but also nationalism in the act of closing the borders down and sending troops into these fucking garbage dumps and cleaning house. Something Obama shoulda done, something trump should do.

If you cant beat your enemy, put them on your time. Bill bellicheck woulda made a good military leader lol
 
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1st, Dems denied there was a crisis at the border
2nd Dems voted down money for food and aid stating the crisis is manufactured there is no crisis
3rd Dems blocked wayfair from selling beds for children at the border

now they are pointing their fingers and think people are too stupid to see they helped create this crisis by not dealing with it in real time. they are creating hatred by telling people lies that its trumps fault these kids are sleeping on the floor.
Dems encouraged this crisis by telling people, dont worry about our laws we dont listen to our president, and if you can sneak by border patrol come to our santuary cities we will protect you.
 
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You see what desperation does to these people in foreign nations. Is it really a good idea to bring that to your cul de sac? You think the middle class can support an entire continent of incompetence?

Someday, you’ll have to shoot your neighbor in the face so your starving son can eat a ham samridge... and there won’t even be cheese on the damn thing... how fun is that gonna be?

lmao... I know it’s an exaggeration... for now..
 
my major issue here is how some people dont except the facts and the more some are presented with it the hard they fight for their position. Why does a politcian from NJ travel to mexico to prep migrants on how to lie and seak assylum, and not respect the law of the country he represents. that to me speaks volumes on how all this fucker cares about is votes
 
Good god. Have you seen the murder rates in Honduras? Guatemala... El Savador? Take a look and have your eyes opened.

Yes, it's economic reasons as well. Of course it is. It's both. Would you want to get murdered by street gangs in your home country, or be unable to find any decent paying work there? I'm guessing you'd want neither.

Also, MX is not terribly safe either these days. Not as bad as those three countries on the southern border, but the Mexican "War on Drugs" is a very different beast than the one we have here in the US. 100,000+ killed in the last 13 years? Entire Mexican states beyond federal control? I stopped following it a while back. But anyway, if I were a Honduran on the march north I'd want to make it to Texas.

That said, we can't let em all in.

What is your point? We either have borders and immigration laws or we don't, there are no shades of grey. You seem to have a sliding scale or am I misunderstanding you?
 
Democrats are giving up on the black voters and are working tirelessly to import their future voting base. They will convince them that they are a victim and blame it on the Republicans. Identity politics is fucking garbage.

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my major issue here is how some people dont except the facts and the more some are presented with it the hard they fight for their position. Why does a politcian from NJ travel to mexico to prep migrants on how to lie and seak assylum, and not respect the law of the country he represents. that to me speaks volumes on how all this fucker cares about is votes
Beto O'rourke was actually campaigning in Mexico. His real name is Francis. He changed his name just to pander to Latinos. Guy is a douche bag!

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its all a pivot out of desperation, instead of acknowledging there is a problem and work to fix it they are taking it a step further and lying about it.
they stole the election from Bernie, they thought hillary was invincible, they put everything the had on claiming Russia hacked us and aided trump, now they are creating a media hysteria over the border. Trump just jedi mind fucked them into destroying themselves. I honestly didnt trump was this brilliant but he just pulled a pariot on a bombr
 
think about this, polls show the squad AOC and talib rating are really low among democrats, AOCs approval is like 8%. the party has been infighting pelosi and AOC and some lines are being drawn.
Trump tweets a bit of a jab that boosts trumps base and at the same time united the dems around people they were trying to seperate out and have low approvals
while the media focused on trumps tweets and the squads press conferences about him being a racist ( think about that the dems have been salivating over it they finally got it ) while they were distracted he amends the asylum process, case closed he jedi mind fucked them and played them all as fools and hes still laughing at them. Dems have no legs now, its over
 
think about this, polls show the squad AOC and talib rating are really low among democrats, AOCs approval is like 8%. the party has been infighting pelosi and AOC and some lines are being drawn.
Trump tweets a bit of a jab that boosts trumps base and at the same time united the dems around people they were trying to seperate out and have low approvals
while the media focused on trumps tweets and the squads press conferences about him being a racist ( think about that the dems have been salivating over it they finally got it ) while they were distracted he amends the asylum process, case closed he jedi mind fucked them and played them all as fools and hes still laughing at them. Dems have no legs now, its over
They are imploding and they have the liberal media that hates Trump's guts to cover for them.



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What is your point? We either have borders and immigration laws or we don't, there are no shades of grey. You seem to have a sliding scale or am I misunderstanding you?

But there are shades of grey. Republicans have played those shades for decades since the giant agribusiness sector (which overwhelmingly votes GOP and are huge corporate donors) needs massive numbers of Mexican workers. Migrant laborers in the San Joaquin Valley, mushroom cutters in rural Pennsylvania warehouses, low-paid construction and food service jobs everywhere in the country... Anyhow, that was the biggest force behind the US slowly accumulating 10-12 million undocumented workers. It's the wink-and-nod fake-ID low wage and hard work economy that most Americans won't do. Republican-voting business owners largely created that economy and that cheap labor demand, and for a long time GOP lawmakers paid lip service to border security but also needed the undocumenteds to stay put here inside the US. Remember, Reagan even gave a massive amnesty to all illegals during his presidency. It's just business, folks.

Dems play those shades too of course. Politics. Anyone thinking it's only one party is naive.

The GOP also has long pandered to the anti-immigrant crowd and this has always been a huge schizophrenic chasm within the party -- Big Business vs. the Great Unwashed. And those chickens came home to roost, eh? The establishment candidates got trounced in 2016 by the anti-immigrant demagogue and now he's in control of the party. And he's a creature the party created so they can only blame themselves. Frankenstein is destroying the castle. I'm eating popcorn.

:popcorn:

But per your question, yes we need border controls and immigration laws. As we already have, but they should be improved. We can't take in everyone, certainly not the entire Third World. It would flood us and working class wages would disintegrate into the gutter.
 
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