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    💉How many of us here actually get bloods done??💉

    Let's do an other blood poll an updated version - part II
    💉Like the title says: How many of us here actually get bloods done??💉


    I'm wondering on how many members here in the community actually get bloods done before, during and after a cycle, or even quarterly or annually?
    There's numerous threads and articles all over the internet panels in regards to the significance behind getting bloods done and there exact reasons, factors and whatnot..

    I ask this question to see how many people use recklessly without wanting to "know", or frivolously just wining it or hopefully responsibly checking your numbers if & when you can..
    Let's hear on who actually does a follow up with their their Endo's, physicians or taken it upon yourself to order online and hit your local lab-corps..

    I ask this for a few reasons..

    1) People spend hundreds, or even thousands of dollars on gear/cycling/blasting & cruising or even TRT..
    Whatever your protocol may be -

    Yet many don't consider dumping an addition 50-75$ on some blood work..
    It's only a few extra buck$ people and for SOME it's free or inexpensive with insurance coverage..
    2) For the obvious, this could ultimately pin point where you came from, where you at, and where you going, or potential issues ahead..
    3) It's essential on seeing not only if your gear is legit but where your E1/E2 and Test/total and serum is at,but also seeing if/when your PCT has worked or not!
    4) It provides and overall blueprint/map of where your at and what's currently going on!

    So....Where do you stand, do you get bloods?

    Below is some reads that may cover the vast spectrum of this topic and the importance on why getting bloods may provide a pivotal piece of information on
    where you are and where your going and where you came from!



    I'd like to start a topic on a most frequently asked question!

    It seems to be more common than ever with individuals make it clear that they run gear, but seem to lack an understanding about getting bloods and it's importance, especially beginners..
    Years back it was common to have almost no keen understanding, however with some much information and resources available today there should no no excuse to have an understanding
    or even a random pre/mid and post cycle pr blast blood analysis.

    So, I gathered some information from some great articles that are available that will provide the basic essentials with covering the following -
    How to read normal bloods,where to get bloods, and how to read a chart..

    It's vital to know where you stand before a pre-cycle, mid-cycle and post-cycle.
    Especial for the very importance with comparing numbers and keeping a record, time/dates and what compounds where used!

    It's crucial to get a blood analysis..
    I also added some additional info on normal E2 and other hormonal levels at the very bottom for these between the ages of 18-26

    (Everything posted is for educational purposes only)
    Regards,
    Vision

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    Whatís a ďNormalĒ Testosterone Level and How to Measure Your Testosterone!

    Today weíll be taking a look at whatís considered a normal testosterone level and how you can get your testosterone levels tested.
    As I began researching testosterone levels and hormone testing for this series,
    I quickly learned that thereís a lot of conflicting and confusing information out there ó
    some websites will say that ďXĒ is a normal testosterone level, while another website says ďYĒ is the ideal range. Even medical labs give conflicting numbers on whatís a normal testosterone level.

    Why so much confusion?

    The problem is that there hasn't been much standardization in hormone testing, particularly regarding T levels.
    Different labs use different methods (and measurements),
    which has only created confusion among consumers and even family doctors about what testosterone level results even mean.

    Hopefully, the current state of confusion will soon change. The Center for Disease Control here in the U.S. started a project in 2010 to get labs to agree on standard hormone testing procedures.
    Itís slowly gaining ground, but not every lab has signed on.

    I also learned that the bottom range of whatís considered ďnormalĒ by many doctors is actually woefully underestimated. Doctors are telling men who come to them with symptoms of low testosterone,
    ďWell, youíre barely within normal range, but itís still normal, soÖyouíre fine! Ē
    No, Dr. Everythingís-A-Okay. Itís not fine.

    I hope in this post I can clarify some of the confusion surrounding testosterone levels and hormone tests. Iíll be straight with you.
    This stuff is super confusing. Iíve done my best to synthesize all the disparate info out there into an easy-to-read format for the layman and have sought to create the most accessible resource on the web.
    But, Iím not a scientist or doctor, and may have gotten a few things wrong.
    If any of you professional endocrinologists see an error, I welcome your corrections.

    Total and Free Testosterone Levels

    Before we begin, I want to reiterate the fact that there are three different types of testosterone floating in your body: free testosterone, SHBG-bound testosterone, and albumin-bound testosterone.
    When you get tested, there are two tests you can get: total testosterone and free testosterone.

    Total testosterone is the total amount of T floating in your blood at the time of the test: free, SHBG-bound, and albumin-bound combined.
    Total testosterone is typically measured in ng/dl, or nanograms per decilitre.

    Free testosterone is the measurement of ó you got it ó free testosterone (which often includes albumin-bound testosterone as well because it can easily convert to free T).
    Free T is typically measured in picograms per milliliter. As weíll discuss later in this post, because free testosterone makes up such a tiny, tiny percentage of your total T,
    itís really hard to measure accurately. So, when you see research on normal testosterone levels,
    it usually focuses on total testosterone.
    Consequently, most of the numbers in this post will be about total T levels. With that said, I do include some references to research that indicates what average and optimal free testosterone levels are.

    Whatís a ďNormalĒ Testosterone Level?

    When you go to get tested for testosterone, the lab will often show you whatís considered the ďnormalĒ range among patients who have tested with that particular lab. Itís called theďreference range.Ē
    For example, LabCorp (the lab I used to test my T levels here in Tulsa, OK) shows a reference range of 348 Ė 1197 ng/dl (nanograms per decilitre) for total testosterone levels. According to this reference range, my total testosterone level of 383 ng/dl at the beginning of my experiment would mean my total T levels were ó barely ó within the normal range.

    Hereís the problem.
    (The reference numbers my have changed as the min-max standard has been adjusted by the endocrine-society)
    That reference range consists of a wide variety of men who tested with LabCorp: 80-year-old men and 20-year-old men; obese men and super fit men;
    men with pituitary gland problems and men with glands that work like champs.

    Sure, my 383 ng/dl was considered normal, but normal compared to whom? An 80-year-old man with Type 2 diabetes?
    The fact that reference ranges donít break patients down by age or health status explains why a 30-year-old man can go to his doctor with the symptoms of low T, only to be told that his T levels are fine because theyíre within the ďnormalĒ range.
    If youíre 30 (or even 50), but have the same testosterone level as an 8o-year-old, diabetic man, your doc may say youíre okay, but youíre still not going to feel good. Plain and simple.

    Whatís interesting is that for many years, the bottom number of the reference range for T levels at many medical labs was much lower. For example, up until last year, LabCorpís reference range for testosterone was 249-836 ng/dl.
    You could have had a testosterone level of 250 (which is super low) and still be told by your doctor that you were normal.

    All this is to say that the ďnormalĒ levels put out there by doctors and labs arenít all that useful.
    Average Testosterone Levels by Age
    When determining whatís considered a normal testosterone level, itís best to look at what the reference range is for men your age.
    Researchers have known for years that T levels typically drop by about 1% every year after you hit your mid-30s. So if youíre 35, comparing yourself to a bunch of 80-year-old men isnít very useful because they likely have really low T levels.

    Unfortunately, many labs donít break down reference ranges by age. However, studies have been done in which researchers do just that. Below, I include the results from two such studies.

    Measurements in Conventional Units (ng/dl), SHBG in (nmol/L)
    Age # Subjects Total
    Test.
    Stand.
    Dev.
    Free
    Test.
    Stand.
    Dev.
    SHBG Stand.
    Dev.
    25-34 45 617 170 12.3 2.8 35.5 8.8
    35-44 22 668 212 10.3 1.2 40.1 7.9
    45-54 23 606 213 9.1 2.2 44.6 8.2
    55-64 43 562 195 8.3 2.1 45.5 8.8
    65-74 47 524 197 6.9 2.3 48.7 14.2
    75-84 48 471 169 6.0 2.3 51.0 22.7
    85-100 21 376 134 5.4 2.3 65.9 22.8
    The above chart groups men into seven ten-year age increments. Itís based on results fromthis 1996 study. According to this chart, my T level at the beginning of the experiment (383 ng/dl)
    was closer to the average of an 85-100-year-old man. Yikes! This chart also lists the average free testosterone levels of the subjects.
    My beginning free testosterone was below the average of men my age and my end level was above average.

    In a study done that same year by another team of researchers, they produced the following chart of testosterone levels broken down by age:

    Measurements in Conventional Units (ng/dl) (source)
    Age Number
    of
    Subjects
    Mean
    Total
    Test
    Stand.
    Dev.
    Median
    Total
    Test
    5th % 10th % 95th %
    <25 125 692 158 697 408 468 956
    25-29 354 669 206 637 388 438 1005
    30-34 330 621 194 597 348 388 975
    35-39 212 597 189 567 329 388 945
    40-44 148 597 198 597 319 378 936
    45-49 154 546 163 527 329 358 846
    50-54 164 544 187 518 289 348 936
    55-59 155 552 174 547 319 338 866

    While this chart doesnít show average free testosterone levels, I like the fact that it shows the T levels of men in the bottom five and ten percentiles as well as the T levels of the men in the top 95%.
    You can see how you compare to men with the lowest and highest T levels.

    According to this chart, my beginning T level (383 ng/dl) was near the bottom 5% and 10% across all age groups.
    Even for 55-59-year-old men. (Boo!)

    My testosterone level after 90 days of good living (778 ng/dl), was above average for my age group (Bully!).
    These charts are a much better source than labsí reference ranges to check if your T levels are normal.
    If your doctor tells you that your T levels are normal, make sure to compare the results to these charts to ensure heís not shortchanging you.

    As far as normal percentages of free testosterone go, ~2-3% is considered normal. If youíre significantly below that percentage range, youíll likely experience symptoms of low T even if your total T is average or above average.

    Go For Optimal, Not Average

    If your testosterone levels match up with the average in the charts above, itís safe to say that you have adequate amounts of T in your system. But we donít want to go for just adequate, we want optimal testosterone levels so that we can derive as much benefit as we can from this virile molecule.
    Whatís an optimal T level, you ask? Great question.
    The answer is: ďIt depends.Ē

    Every man is different, so their level of optimal testosterone will be different, too. For some men, a testosterone level of 600 ng/dl will make them feel great,
    while other men need to be around 800 ng/dl in order to experience the benefits of optimal T.

    Clinical research still hasnít determined a hard threshold level for when symptoms of low T begin appearing.
    Some recent research suggests that symptoms of low T might begin appearing in men
    when their total testosterone level dips below 320 ng/dl.
    According to anecdotal evidence from the owner of Peak Testosterone,
    many men start noticing low T symptoms when their total testosterone dips into the 400s.
    Of course, itís anecdotal, so take it for what itís worth, but itís probably a good idea to stay above 500 ng/dl if you donít want to experience symptoms of low T.

    So thatís a good rule of thumb for the lower threshold. And from there you can shoot for levels that are in the higher range for your age group.
    But itís important to note that optimal testosterone doesnít necessarily mean you need super-high levels.
    Past a certain level, testosterone can actually cause a bunch of not-so-good side effects, like sleep apnea and overly thick blood.
    You typically only have to worry about too much testosterone if youíre using testosterone replacement therapy. Barring some physiological defect,
    too much T usually isnít a problem found in men increasing their testosterone naturally through changes in lifestyle and diet.

    How to Measure Your Testosterone Level

    (Ordering blood test online is far cheaper and is the best route without the intervention of your primary Dr)
    https://www.privatemdlabs.com/

    There are three ways to test your testosterone levels: saliva sample, urine sample, and blood sample. Each method has its pros and cons.
    Saliva and urine tests are relatively inexpensive and fast. You can even buy a saliva test kit on Amazon for about $30. Just spit in the cup, put it in the mail, and a week later youíll get a total testosterone measurement.
    The problem is that
    saliva and urine tests arenít very accurate, which is why endocrinologists typically donít use saliva or urine samples when diagnosing low testosterone levels.
    Instead they use blood serum tests.

    While blood tests are much more accurate and sensitive than saliva or urine tests, theyíre also much more expensive ó
    blood tests for total and free testosterone can set you back $130. Because I wanted the most accurate results,
    I went with the blood serum testing.

    What I didnít know before I got tested was that there are different kinds of testosterone blood tests, some more accurate than others. As I mentioned at the beginning of the post,
    there isnít much standardization amongst labs when it comes to testing.
    Some labs use one method, while another lab will use another test.

    I later learned that the blood test I used to measure my total testosterone for my experiment wasnít the most accurate on the market and wasnít what the CDC is recommending labs use in their goal to standardize hormone testing.
    (I tested myself a month after my 90-day experiment with the blood test the CDC recommends. Iíll share my results in a bit.)
    I also learned that measuring free testosterone is pretty dang hard and that most free T measurements that labs give are typically just estimates.

    Below I share what I learned about the confusing world of testosterone blood tests.

    Blood Tests for Total Testosterone

    ECLIA Method. When I tested myself for total testosterone for my experiment, the method the lab used was ECLIA, short for Electrochemiluminescent Immunoassay. Itís a fast and affordable method to measure total testosterone in your blood. Many labs use this method because itís automatic and doesnít require too much work on a lab technicianís part. However, some studies have shown that values obtained with ECLIA are significantly higher compared to the more reliable LC/MS method. Which brings me to - LC/MS Method.
    LC/MS is short for liquid chromatography-mass spectrometry. Itís considered the gold standard method by many researchers in measuring small molecules.
    Its accuracy and consistency is why the CDC is recommending LC/MS to be the standard method used when testing total testosterone. Because LC/MS is more sensitive than ECLIA,
    doctors typically use this method when testing patients with really low testosterone levels, such as women and children. While itís more accurate and sensitive,
    the LC/MS method is more expensive than ECLIA. And it takes a bit longer to get your results.

    A month after my 90-day experiment, I got tested again, but this time using the LC/MS method. My total testosterone level using this method was 826.9 ng/dl.
    Meaning my T levels increased even more since starting my testosterone changes.

    Youíll have to make the call on which method you go with. If you donít think you have extremely low T, ECLIA will work just fine.
    Just know that most researchers see LC/MS as the method that produces the most accurate and consistent results. Labs often offer both ECLIA and LC/MS tests. Later on, Iíll share where you can get tested using either method.

    Blood Tests for Measuring Free Testosterone
    Reading about the myriad of ways to measure free testosterone has nearly put me in the nut house.
    Itís confusing.

    The problem that labs face is that there is so little free testosterone in our body, itís hard to measure directly.
    Below I lay out the methods available right now to measure free T.

    RIA Direct. Itís cheap, fast, but not very accurate. Recent studies have been calling into question the use of RIA direct methodology to measure free testosterone.
    Unfortunately, most labs across the country only use RIA direct because of its cost effectiveness. LabCorp, the lab I used, only measures free T using RIA direct. Despite the criticisms levied at RIA direct tests, many researchers believe itís an adequate method for routine tests.

    Equilibrium Ultrafiltration. Many in the field of endocrinology argue that equilibrium ultrafiltration is a superior and more accurate testing method to RIA direct.
    The problem is that many commercial labs donít offer the method because itís so time consuming and requires well-trained technicians. If you can find a lab that uses equilibrium ultrafiltration, expect to spend a bit more than you would for a RIA direct.

    Calculated free testosterone. Instead of directly measuring free testosterone in your blood,
    itís possible to get a rough estimate by calculating the amount of albumin, SHBG, and total testosterone in your blood.
    The problem with this method is that 1) itís not very accurate and 2) it requires you to pay for three different tests: albumin, SHBG, and total testosterone. This can get pretty expensive, pretty fast.

    As you can see, you have a variety of options when getting tested for T levels. My recommendation is to try to get your total testosterone number using the LC/MS method and use whatever method is available and cost effective to measure free testosterone. Of course, Iím just a guy who writes a blog about manliness, so take that recommendation with a grain of salt.

    Where to Get Tested for Testosterone

    Hereís how:
    Order the test online. Youíll need to order a blood test using a website that sells blood tests to consumers. No, you donít send the website a blood sample.
    These sites contract with labs across the country to draw blood. They basically act as a middleman.Here are the sites I used to buy my tests:
    https://www.privatemdlabs.com/







    You can also order albumin and SHBG tests from both Health Testing Centers and Request a Test so you can use the calculation method to figure out your free testosterone levels.
    Go to a local lab. After you pay for your blood test, youíll get an email from the website with your order information. Youíll also be told which lab you need to visit in your area to have the test done. Both Health Testing Centers and Request a Test sent me toLabCorp. If youíve ever applied for a job that requires a drug test, youíve probably been to LabCorp yourself, as they are a national company.
    Get blood drawn. A nice nurse will draw some blood samples. The whole process takes less than 2 minutes. Itís best to get your blood drawn first thing in the morning, as T levels are at their highest in the morning and steadily decline throughout the day.
    Get your results. Two or three days later, youíll get an email from the lab with your results.
    Test more than once. Because testosterone levels are sensitive to a whole host of environmental factors, itís important to get tested more than once when diagnosing low T. You could have below average T levels one week, but slightly above average the next. This is particularly important if your doctor is considering putting you on testosterone replacement therapy. You donít want him to make the decision from a single test!
    Conclusion




    • Donít use lab reference numbers to determine if your T is low. Theyíre not usually accurate. Use the charts above for your specific age range.
    • Take a blood test to determine your total T levels. You can get this blood test at the doctor, or by signing up online and going to a local lab. Make sure to get tested in the morning!
    • If you can, take the LC/MS test to measure your total T ó itís the most accurate. If thatís not available, the ECLIA test will work okay.
    • To find your free T, try to use the Equilibrium Ultrafiltration test ó itís the most accurate. If that method isnít available, the RIA Direct test will work okay.





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    Below is some general information in regards to other hormonal levels that indicate the normal ranges

    Dihydrotestosterone (DHT). This is a more potent form of testosterone that is metabolized by the body from other androgens. In men most is made from testosterone,
    while in women the main source is androstenedione (which is first converted INTO testosterone). Current research indicates that DHT is responsible for male-pattern balding and excessive,
    unwanted hair in both sexes. In males it is also responsible for non-cancerous prostate swelling (BPH).
    DHT LEVELS
    SEX pg/ml
    Females:
    Premenopausal 24-368
    Postmenopausal 10-181
    Males: 250-990




    LDL - this is the so-called "Bad cholesterol" and may be a factor for some people. Estrogen therapy tends to lower the LDL level while testosterone therapy makes it go up.
    If you have a high LDL level and are on TRT therapy, you may have to make adjustments to diet or take other medications to address it.
    LDL CHOLESTEROL LEVELS
    160 mg/dL or more HIGH
    130 to 159 mg/dL BORDERLINE
    100 to 129 mg/dL NEAR OPTIMAL
    Less than 100 mg/dL OPTIMAL
    source: National Cholesterol Education Program



    Estradiol (E2) - this is the main "female" hormone. There are two others, Estriol and Etrone, that are also sometimes tested, but they are metabolized from Estradiol,
    so it is usually the main one checked. The full name is 17-beta-Estradiol, which is also available in several medications for ERT therapy. Current research indicates that, in some people,
    this hormone may play a role in the loss of bone density, prevents male bodies from clearing DHT out of the prostate gland,
    and can stimulate estrogen-sensitive tumor growth (if estrogen-sensitive cancer cells are already present).
    ESTRADIOL LEVELS
    SEX pg/ml
    Women (> 18 years old)
    Follicular Phase 30-120
    Ovulatory Peak 130-370
    Luteal Phase 70-250
    Post-Menopausal 15-60
    Male 15-60



    Progesterone (Pg) - This steroid hormone is a female sex hormone which, in conjunction with estrogens,
    regulates the accessory organs during the menstrual cycle and it is particularly important in preparing the endometrium for the implantation of the blastocyte and in maintaining pregnancy.

    In non pregnant women progesterone is mainly secreted by the corpus luteum
    whereas in pregnancy the placenta becomes the major source. Minor sources are the adrenal cortex for both sexes and the testes for males.
    Current research indicates it balances
    against overactivity of both testosterone and estrogen,
    and effectively blocks 5-alpha-reductase enzymatic conversion of testosterone into DHT. Progesterone also plays a role in stimulationg Osteoblast (bond building) enzymes, lowering cholesterol levels,
    stimulating growth of epithelial tissue and lobule-alveolar systems in the breasts, and upregulation of the P-53 cell-division gene,
    thus offering an anti-carcinogenic effect against run-away cell division in hormone sensitive tumors.
    PROGESTERONE LEVELS
    SEX ng/ml nmol/l
    Females
    Follicular phase 0.2-1.4 0.64 - 4.45
    Luteal phase 4 - 25 12.7 - 79.5
    Post-Menopausal 0.1 - 1 0.32 - 3.18
    Males 0.1 - 1 0.32 - 3.18
    Conversion factor: 1 ng/ml = 3.18 nmol/l



    Testosterone (T) - one of the most important male sex hormones. In men it is mainly synthesized by the testes, in women both the ovaries and by the adrenal cortex; it is secreted into circulation.
    Testosterone is transported in the plasma by a beta-globulin, called testosterone binding globulin. It is estimated that about 98 % of the circulating testosterone is bound.
    The remainder, present as free testosterone, is assumed to be the metabolicly active portion. In the target organ, it is transformed by 5-alpha-reductase into the physiologically effective androgen DHT.
    In men the determination of testosterone is used as an indicator for the function of the testes: low hormone levels are found in cases with Klinefelter's syndrome, cryptorchism or anorchia.
    Male or female patients with an androgen producing tumor (ovaries, adrenal cortex, testes) show increased values.
    Measurement of testosterone is used to confirm hirsutism in woman.
    The determination of free or not specifically protein-bound testosterone can be helpful in cases of hyperprolactinemic women or hyperandrogenism.
    It promotes the burning of fat and the building of lean muscle mass. It also appears to be the fuel for the libido in both sexes.
    The role of testosterone in cardiovascular health is still hotly debated, but it appears that it may have a detrimental effect over the long term.
    Testosterone, like progesterone, upregulates the P-53 gene to turn off rampant cellular division, so in that sense is anti-carcinogenic.
    Testosterone also stimulates oil production in the skin, which can lead to acne problems.
    TOTAL TESTOSTERONE LEVELS
    SEX ng/dl ng/ml
    Females 6 - 86 0.1 - 1.2
    Males 270 - 1100 2.4 - 12
    Conversion factor: 1 ng/ml = 3.47 nmol/l




    Free or Unbound Testosterone ("Free T") - As mentioned above, about 98% of the testosterone in a man or woman's body is bound to blood proteins.
    This means that only a small portion is actually "bio-available" and acting on the body's tissues. A healthy percentage for either men or women is around 2.5%.
    One thing that sometimes frustrates gender patients is that the measurements for the biologically significant free testosterone are not easily compared between men and women.
    Labs often will state the percentage free for men,
    but give a measurement in pg/ml for women.
    Or the male measurements will be in ng/dl requiring a mathematical conversion for direct comparison to the "normal" range of the opposite sex.
    The percentage is usually higher in adolescents (up to 5%) and quite low in elderly people (around 1%).
    Many doctors believe that any reading below 2% means the patient should take testosterone supplements, and that any reading below 1% indicates a completely absent sex drive.
    The level readings between men and women are so vastly different because the number represents a percentage of the TOTAL testosterone.
    Women naturally start with a lower total amount, so 2.5% of 40ng/dl is going to be much less than 2.5% of 800ng/dl in a man.
    FREE TESTOSTERONE LEVELS
    SEX ng/dl pg/ml % Free Range
    Females 0.3-1.9 0.6 - 6.8 0.4 - 2.4
    Males 9-30 47.0-244.0 1.6 - 2.9
    Total Free Range is 0.3 - 5% ( 2% average )



    CLICK HERE for sample reference ranges for other free/bioavailable hormone levels.

    DHEA-S (Dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate) is secreted by the adrenal cortex. DHEA-S
    is thought to be a biologically weak androgen, but because of its high concentration in blood, it contributes significantly to the androgenization process.
    The physiological role of DHEA-S is not well known, but it seems to be intricately involved in adrenarche (axillary and pubic hair growth).
    DHEA-S appears to be an excellent indicator of adrenal androgen production.
    Elevated levels of DHEA-S have been reported in states of excess androgen production such as cystic acne, hirsutism, infertility, enzymatic adrenal defects,
    Cushing's syndrome due to bilateral adrenal hyperplasia, and virilizing adrenal tumors.
    DHEA-S SERUM LEVELS
    SEX Ķg/ml Ķmol/l
    Females
    Premenopausal 0.8 - 3.9 2.1 - 10.1
    Pregnancy (3. Trimenon) 0.2 - 1.2 0.5 - 3.1
    Postmenopausal 0.1 - 0.6 0.3 - 1.6
    Newborns (both sexes) 1.7 - 3.6 4.4 - 9.4
    Males 1.0 - 4.2 2.6 - 10.9
    Conversion factor: 1 Ķg/ml = 2,6 Ķmol/l



    Androstenedione - this hormone is produced by the adrenals and gonads. Therefore, the determination of the level of androstenedione in serum is important in the evaluation of the functional state of the glands.
    Androstenedione is a precursor of testosterone and estrone. Besides the adrenals, in females, the ovaries have been shown to be an important source of androstenedione during the ovulatory cycle.
    The principle production of testosterone in females is from the conversion of other related androgens, especially androstenedione.
    An abnormal testosterone level in women should be accompanied by the estimation of serum androstenedione.
    The use of serum testosterone determination in conjunction with Enzyme Immunoassay of androstenedione can be used to determine if source of excess androgen production is adrenal or ovarian.
    ANDROSTENEDIONE LEVELS
    SEX Mean [ng/ml] Absolute Range [ng/ml]
    Females (18-49 years) 2.15 0.70 - 3.50
    Females (50-80 years) 1.80 0.20 - 3.40
    Males 1.75 0.35 - 3.15
    Conversion factor: To convert to nmol/L: ng/ml x 3.45 = nmol/l




    Leutenizing Hormone (LH) -LH stimulates Leydig cells in the testes to produce and secrete testosterone (T). As the testosterone travels through the bloodstream it passes through the
    anterior pituitary gland and hypothalamus it creates a "negative feedback loop" that triggers a decrease in GnRH and LH
    . LH also stimulates the adrenal gland to produce androstenedione and progesterone.
    A problem with LH levels alone is rarely seen, so testing is only needed if testosterone level is abnormal, for example,
    if the patient is suspected to have been born with Klinefelters Syndrome.
    In women a normal LH level is similar to FSH. An LH that is higher than FSH is one indication of PCOS.
    LH LEVELS
    SEX mIU/ml
    Females (follicular) < 7
    Females (Surge 48 hours before ovulation) > 20
    Males 2 - 18



    Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH) - In women FSH is often used as a gauge of ovarian reserve. In general, under 6 is excellent, 6-9 is good, 9-10 fair, 10-13 diminished reserve,
    13+ very hard to stimulate. In PCOS testing, the LH:FSH ratio may be used in the diagnosis. The ratio is usually close to 1:1, but if the LH is higher,
    it is one possible indication of PCOS. Basic hormone testing for males often only includes testosterone and FSH. However,
    in cases such as Klinefelters Syndrome doctors will usually look at both FSH and LH levels.
    In males FSH stimulates the Sertoli cells in the testes to produce androgen-binding proteins, testosterone,
    and a protein called inhibin. Inhibin, in turn, travels in the blood back to the pituitary gland whre it creates a "negative feedback loop" that decreases the output of FSH.
    Since FSH stimulates testosterone production, and testosterone can be converted to DHT and estradiol,
    an increase of any or all three can also create a "feedback loop" that decreases FSH secretion.
    FSH LEVELS
    SEX mIU/ml
    Females 3-20
    Males 1-18



    Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG) - this is the principle blood protein that ties up the bulk of the steroids the body produces.
    For example, it bind with about 98% of the total testosterone, but also binds with other steroids as well. As androgen production increases, available SHBG decreases.
    SHBG LEVELS
    SEX nmol/l
    Females 18-114
    Males 7-50


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    "If your between the ages of 18-26 please read here"



    Last but not least, I would like to provide a chart that indicates the age of incline to decline in regards to TESTOSTERONE levels..
    If your between the ages of 18-26 you clearly see that your levels are almost at peak, at 30 it's peaked out and slowly declines..
    This is a reason why most advocate to stay clear of AAS during these years as your levels are at optimal standards.. Introducing AAS can in fact effect your growth plates, as some males are in fact not completely done growing and this could have more detrimental effects on your endocrine system,nervous system and overall hormonal levels for life!

    Supraphysiologocal levels of synthetic hormones like Testosterone or other anabolic/androgenic steroids can stunt your growth, this is due to the vast amount of estrogen conversion by way of the aromatase enzyme. Also the fusion of growth plates can be a consequent in your body due to the system of checks/balances with hormonal elevations/spikes, as it will produce in an attempt to create an equilibrium within your body. It's been proven that spikes of estrogen brings about a close in the growth plates at the end of puberty at it's naturally course of action..

    Postnatal growth of the long bones occurs through the stimulation of chondrocyte proliferation at the epiphyseal growth plates. The size of the epiphyseal growth plate remains the same as long as cartilage proliferation keeps pace with the rate of ossification, which occurs from the shaft side of the growth plate. Statural growth can occur as long as the epiphyseal growth plates persist. The gonadal steroids (estrogen, testosterone) cause closure of the epiphyseal growth plates in late adolescence. The cartilage becomes entirely replaced with bone and statural growth ceases.





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    I usually get blood work done before going on a new gear cycle, and then again 6 weeks into the cycle. I don't often engage in the typical 4 month long cycle durations that I see many guys here talk about. Too much health risk potential as far as I'm concerned. I focus the blood work on liver reading, (ALT, AST, but especially GGT). I watch the cholesterol readings too, but I don't get concerned about them being slightly elevated. I order the bloods online because I don't want my doctor involved since I don't let him know about my AAS use, and I also do not want my insurance companies finding out either. So I have to pay for bloods myself. Once in awhile I'll also get the Free T3 and TSH thyroid levels done with the bloods too.

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    I never go to the lab for anything.....Ever

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abombs View Post
    I never go to the lab for anything.....Ever

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    Blood work here is cheap here so I get it done often I also donate blood once or twice a years depending on what I'm doing
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    Quote Originally Posted by custom View Post
    Blood work here is cheap here so I get it done often I also donate blood once or twice a years depending on what I'm doing
    Huge addition, giving a pint here and there..

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    Iím on business in Arizona. Where do I get bloods? Not sure about labs. Isnít there one online that you can buy and they send it to a local lab?


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    I'd go more if it wasnt illegal in this state.

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    I used to do bloods way more often when I started. Usually it's about twice a year now, and during a cruise. I make sure and donate 2-3 times a year also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abombs View Post
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    you've really become a slackkker! smh in disappoint lol

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    Either half the people in this poll are telling a lie or the guys who donít do bloods arenít going to bother answering lol

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    I did once when i first started like ago years ago. Shame on me
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    I did once when i first started like ago years ago. Shame on me

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    I do but it still wont save me from premature death. I've done enough stupid things in my life to shave a few years off of it.

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    I take bloods pre, during & after a 12 week cycle. I look at it as a science experiment. Mastering your endocrine system by optimizing the important numbers, while running gear.
    The boards here have helped a lot. Iíve finally got my sugar and blood pressure in check & now Iím working on my LDL cholesterol without taking toxic meds from the doc.
    Looking at bloods also saves me money in the long run. Iíve tried many vitamin protocols trying to improve my bloodwork. Once I realize that the vitamin isnít actually improving my numbers, I stop buying them.
    Last I use my bloodwork to learn how much gear my body can tolerate with positive results.
    Itís a fun hobby & in the end when I die, I expect to have wrung out all of its genetic potential for as long as I was expected to live. I donít mind missing out on the years of being in a wheelchair & shitting in a bag with a permanent shocked face, while drooling on myself.


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