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    Quote Originally Posted by REHH View Post
    5'9" 265 at start of prep
    Currently 235
    Stage weight 212(212 division)


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    I feel sad that he is cutting muscle at this point to get down to 212. It's hard to tell with a tank top on, but he looks close to being ready to step on stage now.

    How long has he been on growth hormone now, and what is his impression of what it is doing for him differently? If I recall correctly, this is his first time with hgh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Procard View Post
    Coach B will also run his diuretic program. There is a science based formula that must be followed. Also, I like to run a trial diuretic program at least a month out to see how the athlete responds. We don't want any issues the last few days of prep. I am much more conservative than most others regarding diuretics.

    Edit: There is no way in Hell your should your guy be coming down to 212. That is absolutely nuts. I would have your guy completely shredded at around 230 or heavier.
    I think he's at a place where he's a little too small for open but too big for 212. It's a tough call, we've had this conversation several times. Other people; coaches and IFBB pros are split on this too. He's far improved from the pro show he did last year where he beat half the guys, more lean mass, more muscle maturity and density. I think he could be looking at a top 5 finish for this show.
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    As has been noted by others, this athlete needs to run much larger doses. There is a poster on another board called BFG who is privy to quite a few programs run by top 10 guys at the Olympia. These programs will blow your mind with the amounts of gear.

    Here is what your typical regional level NPC competitor runs at 16 weeks out: 1500 long estered test, 600 deca, 500 mast (increase to 700 as contests gets closer). Start at 400 tren e (long ester) as contest gets closer increase to 700 tren ace. Start on 100 mgs/day of anavar. Most pro's take double that....Dorian ran 250 a day. 12 weeks out add A Drol, 100 mgs on training days. When you are this far out D bol and similar orals are fine. As you get closer to your contest (3-4 weeks out) add Winstrol, 100 mgs a day. 2.5 weeks out add Halotestin. at 3-4 weeks out swap the test e for tet p or test ace.

    Most pros are usn A Drol to fill out the last few days. I do not have knowledge of how this work (they also are running diuretics and plasma expanders). I just use Halo, winstrol, and anavar to fill out.

    If you can afford it, take at least 5 iu's of pharm GH a day. If you find a good Chinese generic make it 8 iu's a day. If you have the money, take more.

    At 6 weeks out you should be pretty lean. Run a trial diuretic run to see how your body responds. There are 3 types of diuretics and they must be taken in very strict and science informed manner. There is a formula of ratio's of Aldosterone blockers, Thiazides, and lasixs. The tral run ill inform us as to how your body responds. Adjust accordingly.

    Do not touch diuretics, especially Lasix unless you really know what you are doing.

    I would have your guy run 500 test and 300 Deca in the offseason. That will be his cruise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Procard View Post
    As has been noted by others, this athlete needs to run much larger doses. There is a poster on another board called BFG who is privy to quite a few programs run by top 10 guys at the Olympia. These programs will blow your mind with the amounts of gear.

    Here is what your typical regional level NPC competitor runs at 16 weeks out: 1500 long estered test, 600 deca, 500 mast (increase to 700 as contests gets closer). Start at 400 tren e (long ester) as contest gets closer increase to 700 tren ace. Start on 100 mgs/day of anavar. Most pro's take double that....Dorian ran 250 a day. 12 weeks out add A Drol, 100 mgs on training days. When you are this far out D bol and similar orals are fine. As you get closer to your contest (3-4 weeks out) add Winstrol, 100 mgs a day. 2.5 weeks out add Halotestin. at 3-4 weeks out swap the test e for tet p or test ace.

    Most pros are usn A Drol to fill out the last few days. I do not have knowledge of how this work (they also are running diuretics and plasma expanders). I just use Halo, winstrol, and anavar to fill out.

    If you can afford it, take at least 5 iu's of pharm GH a day. If you find a good Chinese generic make it 8 iu's a day. If you have the money, take more.

    At 6 weeks out you should be pretty lean. Run a trial diuretic run to see how your body responds. There are 3 types of diuretics and they must be taken in very strict and science informed manner. There is a formula of ratio's of Aldosterone blockers, Thiazides, and lasixs. The tral run ill inform us as to how your body responds. Adjust accordingly.

    Do not touch diuretics, especially Lasix unless you really know what you are doing.

    I would have your guy run 500 test and 300 Deca in the offseason. That will be his cruise.
    I agree with what your saying as far as upping the doses but at the same time itís not a one size fits all formal and what works for one man will not necessarily work for the next. If heís trying to drop weight then why would he run all that gear? Now the off-season thatís a different story up the doses and increase the macros and see how much mass can be added to consider making some noise in open. If the man can add significant muscle mass in the off season then I would even consider taking a year off from competition and really trying to add as much mass as possible to possible be a legit threat. If he can accomplish the physique he has with the doses he has been running then he obviously has the genetics, diet, and training part down

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    Quote Originally Posted by malfeasance View Post
    I feel sad that he is cutting muscle at this point to get down to 212. It's hard to tell with a tank top on, but he looks close to being ready to step on stage now.

    How long has he been on growth hormone now, and what is his impression of what it is doing for him differently? If I recall correctly, this is his first time with hgh?
    Not long at all he's only on his second kit for this cycle, and has only ran 4 kits ever, the one he's on now makes his 4th. He ran two kits last year before his show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by REHH View Post
    I think he's at a place where he's a little too small for open but too big for 212. It's a tough call, we've had this conversation several times. Other people; coaches and IFBB pros are split on this too. He's far improved from the pro show he did last year where he beat half the guys, more lean mass, more muscle maturity and density. I think he could be looking at a top 5 finish for this show.
    I am no longer in the loop. Over the last few years I have only worked with a very few IFBB pros. In the 90's, I knew everything. After the Olympia the Pros would do the Euro tour together Everyone knew what everyone else was doing. Dorian was not touring, but I was told that he ran tons of GH and 750 mgs of sustenon...a day. They took tons of gear, but insulin use was mh much lower.

    The difference in todays' guy is they don't train as hard and they compensate with insulin. The old guys looked much more dense and grainy.

    One thing I learned is to never shoot for a weight, just go where you look best.

    However, running a more aggressive diuretic program might do the trick. Today, I only run diuretics for 4 days, but the program I was given was supposedly what all the pros out of S cal ran. I ran it once 25 years ago and won the show. It started 8 days out with an Aldosterone blocker. I titrated up, monitered my progress and introduced a Thiazide. Again, I titrated up. I did not touch and Lasix until the day of the show. I wanted to make the 198 class (3.% b fat) but was heavier. I lost 13 lbs of water in those last 2 days and easily made weight.

    Your guy is 235 now. f he has been off gearand is not very fat then his weight should stay stable or only gop down a bit.

    Lets say he is 1 week out, 225 and shredded. If he runs his diuretics right he has a good chance of making 212.

    This guy has extremely virgin receptors. Put him on the gear combo I posted and he will grow like a weed. He will get stronger and more muscular. As the comp gets closer he will probably be more than 225 very lean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jswole220 View Post
    I agree with what your saying as far as upping the doses but at the same time itís not a one size fits all formal and what works for one man will not necessarily work for the next. If heís trying to drop weight then why would he run all that gear? Now the off-season thatís a different story up the doses and increase the macros and see how much mass can be added to consider making some noise in open. If the man can add significant muscle mass in the off season then I would even consider taking a year off from competition and really trying to add as much mass as possible to possible be a legit threat. If he can accomplish the physique he has with the doses he has been running then he obviously has the genetics, diet, and training part down
    If he cuts his steroid use and drops weight he will not be competitive at all. The program you outline is for a guy who wants to look good on the beach, not an IFBB pro. He can't bank on genetics because everyone on stage with him already won the genetic lottery. I recommended 3 grams of gear/week for this guy. Most pros take 2-3 times that much.

    If he is not willing to do that, I recommend that he not compete.

    The last pro I worked with ran a pretty conservative cycle with no GH. He also wanted to take a vacation with his family 3 weeks before his show. I told him I could no longer work with him. He did not do well.

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    I think what we're looking at currently is about half what you stated.

    Test E 700wk, converting to prop soon.
    Tren A 350wk
    Mast P 350wk, soon upping to 500-600
    Anadrol 50mg per day
    4iu hgh per day
    1mg arimidex 2x week

    things will be changing as it moves closer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by REHH View Post
    I think what we're looking at currently is about half what you stated.

    Test E 600-700wk, converting to prop soon.
    Tren A 350wk
    Mast P 350wk, soon upping to 500-600
    Anadrol 50mg per day
    4iu hgh per day
    1mg arimidex 2x week

    This is close currently but things will be changing as it moves closer.
    Hey, I wish him the best. I bet he is a wonderful father and husband. However, if that is all he is doing, I strongly recommend he not compete. Remember....what I laid out is what regional level amateurs are taking not IFBB pros. This sport is for people who are mentally questionable, like me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Procard View Post
    Hey, I wish him the best. I bet he is a wonderful father and husband. However, if that is all he is doing, I strongly recommend he not compete. Remember....what I laid out is what regional level amateurs are taking not IFBB pros. This sport is for people who are mentally questionable, like me.
    Lol. I look at it the opposite of you, he was able to get this far running very little drugs so he has a lot of room to grow if he wanted to push it to the next level.


    Ronnie Coleman made it to the pro level without running any drugs at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by REHH View Post
    Lol. I look at it the opposite of you, he was able to get this far running very little drugs so he has a lot of room to grow if he wanted to push it to the next level.


    Ronnie Coleman made it to the pro level without running any drugs at all.
    The Ronnie that got his procard is not the same athlete as the one that won the Olympias. Ronnie had great genetics, and an excellent work ethic. I am not privy to his cycles but he was sure doing a ton. His body transformed itself. It did not happen because of his barbeque sauce. If he had used more earlier in is career he could have won his Olympias sooner and gotten out before he really hurt himself. I respect him tremendously but he should have switched over to a higher rep program as he got older. Maybe the pressures of competing are what pushed him to never train lighter weights.

    Ironically, big power body builders who train heavy for a long time respond really well to higher rep training, I have seen them actually look bigger because the muscle is more inflated, but that is another topic.

    I think that Ronnie proves my point about the role of drugs in the sport. Your pro should stick with the advice of his handlers. I am just reporting what I know about local and regional shows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HFO3 View Post
    Finally a bodybuilding thread on ASF!
    We'll see if it turns into a thread, rather than a post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by REHH View Post
    things will be changing as it moves closer.
    I hope that includes increasing the Tren while lowering the test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by REHH View Post
    Ronnie Coleman made it to the pro level without running any drugs at all.
    Ah, geez, REHH, please don't spout that bullshit here! You aren't talking to 14 year olds at the gym over summer break hoping to bulk up for football in the fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by REHH View Post
    Lol. I look at it the opposite of you, he was able to get this far running very little drugs so he has a lot of room to grow if he wanted to push it to the next level.
    I am hopeful we see the results of upping the dosages one day, but I agree with you it would not make much sense to do so now to compete in 212 when he is already so far over the target weight and already lean.

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