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    EP Eurotropin SERUM results nonfasted vs Fasted - real results!

    Here are my lab results for testing serum on EP Eurotropins.
    My protocol:
    Breakfast
    1/3 lb ground turkey
    1.5 cups jasmine rice
    Pre workout meal:
    50 grams egg whites
    1cup oats
    2 tablespoons aguave
    Workout:
    Chest
    Biceps
    Traps
    Post workout meal
    Labrada Lean body caramel whey 40 grams
    Post workout EP injection about 20 minutes after my shake.
    I used 10íius and .5ml bac water to reconstitute. I injected in my right delt @1pm, then had my blood taken @ 4:17pm.

    I'm not sure if having my blood drawn after a prettty full day, non fasted and after WO has buffered the results or not. All my prior serum testing was done fasted, I'd take 10ius at 5am and have blood drawn at 8am.

    That being said, I think I'll test a second vial next week using the fasted method to see if the numbers change.
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    That's an interesting result now I'm curious as to whether or not working out, then eating, then injecting in the shoulder as opposed to the bicep, and then going to get tested yields a different number than injecting while fasting with no exercise, and into the bicep instead of the shoulder. Vision has made several comments in the past about possible scar tissue interfering with absorption rates so I guess another test is in order to find out if a different number is obtained....

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    My thoughts exactly. My range for serum testing is 23-28 based on previous test results. I'm planning next week sometime... I'm also want to see my eGFR markers increase, I'm not comfortable where they are currently sitting @46

    btw, I wanted to follow your protocol to a T, two things stopped me, working long ass hours and the bicep inject has me a little concerned haha

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    Why would you inject after a meal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddoger View Post
    Why would you inject after a meal?
    Unfortunately, my work schedule has been full, my day starts at 5am, that's when I had the time to get it done. Either way, 16.9 is not a bad number since I usually test out around 23-28 fasted.

    Next week I will run a 2nd serum test fasted, the upside is we'll have two ways to compare the same kit

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    Yea maybe test another vial at some point when you're fasted, and prior to working out. First thing in the AM is usually best, and try pinning your bicep next time as delts get overused a lot and can have a lot of scar tissue slowing the absorption. There's a bazillion variables that come into play but I wouldn't be at all concerned with those numbers...they're still very close to where you want to be and small adjustments can help make the next reading more accurate.
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    Glad to see I am not the only one on the board who refuses to crush his estradiol number with overuse of AIs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jozifp103 View Post
    Yea maybe test another vial at some point when you're fasted, and prior to working out. First thing in the AM is usually best, and try pinning your bicep next time as delts get overused a lot and can have a lot of scar tissue slowing the absorption. There's a bazillion variables that come into play but I would be at all concerned with those numbers...they're still very close to where you want to be and small adjustments can help make the next reading more accurate.
    I agree 100%. Iíve always tested fasted, generally inject at 5am and test at 8am. Priorities would not allow me to get it done that way this time


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    Quote Originally Posted by malfeasance View Post
    Glad to see I am not the only one on the board who refuses to crush his estradiol number with overuse of AIs.
    My estro is exactly where I want it, itís a good balance of test and estro for me, much easier to add size at this number, imo.
    Iím only using ..5 adex per week the day after I inject


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    Quote Originally Posted by HFO3 View Post
    My estro is exactly where I want it, itís a good balance of test and estro for me, much easier to add size at this number, imo.
    Iím only using ..5 adex per week the day after I inject


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    More estrogen seems to = more growth. I haven't seen anything different in myself. Just gotta run some nolva every so often

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    Quote Originally Posted by malfeasance View Post
    Glad to see I am not the only one on the board who refuses to crush his estradiol number with overuse of AIs.
    Quote Originally Posted by HFO3 View Post
    My estro is exactly where I want it, itís a good balance of test and estro for me, much easier to add size at this number, imo.
    Iím only using ..5 adex per week the day after I inject


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    Quote Originally Posted by GarlicChicken View Post
    More estrogen seems to = more growth. I haven't seen anything different in myself. Just gotta run some nolva every so often

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    I'm the same way. I like my e2 slightly elevated on cycle...especially when bulking. The ratio has to be somewhat proportional. If your e2 is at 20 naturally, with normal test levels, then you want it to be higher than that when you increase your test levels so the ratio stays proportional. I've never felt right with a 3000 testosterone reading and a 20 on my e2 reading. Id rather be like 3000/60 or so.

    You NEED adequate estrogen to grow as well. Jacking up your androgens and tanking your estrogen will still hinder your gains greatly. Not to mention it will make you feel like death and you probably wouldn't even want to train with achey joints, fatigue, and mood swings.

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    I've crashed my E2 one time...never again. it was the worst I've ever felt while on gear, sore joints, achy body, and physically exhausted. Using too much aromasin was my downfall while running primo and test, if memory serves correctly

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    Quote Originally Posted by HFO3 View Post
    I've crashed my E2 one time...never again. it was the worst I've ever felt while on gear, sore joints, achy body, and physically exhausted. Using too much aromasin was my downfall while running primo and test, if memory serves correctly
    How much did you take ? Iím on aromasin, test and primo. Just curious..

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddoger View Post
    How much did you take ? Iím on aromasin, test and primo. Just curious..
    I was out of pfizer pills which I usually split into 12.5mgs for each dose... so I was using a RC source here, not saying it was dosed wrong but I was using 12.5mgs at a time a couple of times a week which is pretty normal for me when using aromasin.

    what dose are you using?

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