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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    Believe these were labs. (I've got bookoo labs) bookoo or beaucoup is itís actually spelled you from Nola bro lol ?Obviously you donít have to answer that if you donít want but Iíve never herd anyone outside of Louisiana use that term.
    Full Metal Jacket lol

    Not from Louisiana

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    Full Metal Jacket lol

    Not from Louisiana
    lol bro I go so excited when I saw you say that lmao i know you do coaching and Iíve been looking for a local coach opposed to just online. Lol I was just about to pm you and ask you haha

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    I donít compete and all the coaches I know of locally donít want to train people who donít compete for the simple reason I wouldnít be winning any shows without competing and I guess they feel it does nothing for there name. The one dude I did find I spoke with at the gym a few times this was before the summer and i stay fairly lean all year around 220-240. Anyway I was about 245 at the time and wanted to do a recomp not really a cut I donít like cutting to much and we started talking drugs and he told me to start he would have me run a gram of test e a gram of tren e a gram of mast e and then 700mg of each in quick acting esters 100mg daily. I donít mind pushing the envelope at times but Jesus Christ 5grams of gear and almost two grams of tren a week? Iím good on that lol I donít even think Boston loyd runs shit that high lol

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    Heís also an older guy who used to look absolutely amazing and huge back in the day and now is probably barely 200lbs with several health problems. Go figure lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jswole220 View Post
    I donít compete and all the coaches I know of locally donít want to train people who donít compete for the simple reason I wouldnít be winning any shows without competing and I guess they feel it does nothing for there name. The one dude I did find I spoke with at the gym a few times this was before the summer and i stay fairly lean all year around 220-240. Anyway I was about 245 at the time and wanted to do a recomp not really a cut I donít like cutting to much and we started talking drugs and he told me to start he would have me run a gram of test e a gram of tren e a gram of mast e and then 700mg of each in quick acting esters 100mg daily. I donít mind pushing the envelope at times but Jesus Christ 5grams of gear and almost two grams of tren a week? Iím good on that lol I donít even think Boston loyd runs shit that high lol
    Coaches who push drugs are either selling them or, need to have clients abuse them due to being fucking idiots.

    Typically, I persuade guys to lower doses from what they think they need.... Training #1, Diet #2, Digestion #3, Sleep #4, Drugs #5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    There's a lot of things to take into account on the subject.

    I do believe it lowers igf even if you're taking exogenous gh. That's my belief and finding.

    Now Meadows. First off, he's a mutant. None of us are lol so there's that. His igf could be 5 and he'd probably still be a freak.

    Also, John is very health conscious and this plays into him using nolva due to the negative effects on cholesterol from certain AI's.

    Also, if you don't aromitase much, which I think I've heard him state on a podcast he doesn't, there's really no better alternative then nolva IF, you have pre existing gyno since, it doesn't take much e2 to cause growth at that point.

    Now if you DO aromitase a lot, you're going to need to use an ai just so you're not pounded with higher estrogen sides apart from breast tissue growth. Sex drive, mood and just general health.

    So, my recommendation. If you're trying to push every chance of growth and you don't have gyno sides, leave the nolvadex out.

    If you are more concerned about cholesterol or, have pre existing gyno, nolva is a better option unless, you can keep e2 in good shape with Aromasin since it's not nearly as rough on lipids.

    Igf is important but, there's much more that comes into play building muscle.
    I completely agree that if someone is "try" to optimize as nuch growth as possible, don't do anything that may/might or potentially hinder it, regardless of what the thing may be..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    Coaches who push drugs are either selling them or, need to have clients abuse them due to being fucking idiots.

    Typically, I persuade guys to lower doses from what they think they need.... Training #1, Diet #2, Digestion #3, Sleep #4, Drugs #5
    I couldnít agree more man my thoughts exactly were this dude has basic knowledge at best and juices his clients to the max to make it look like he really knows what heís doing. Who wouldnít grow there ass off with that many drugs and enough calories. Although Iíd swap 1 and 4 but thatís just me and my body personally. I can train like a bitch and still get great results with enough sleep. I can do everything else perfect and fuck up sleep a couple nights a week and it shows big time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jswole220 View Post
    I couldnít agree more man my thoughts exactly were this dude has basic knowledge at best and juices his clients to the max to make it look like he really knows what heís doing. Who wouldnít grow there ass off with that many drugs and enough calories. Although Iíd swap 1 and 4 but thatís just me and my body personally. I can train like a bitch and still get great results with enough sleep. I can do everything else perfect and fuck up sleep a couple nights a week and it shows big time
    I'm just the opposite the moment my sleep is lacking everything else crumbles thereafter..if I have a bad episode where I can't sleep one night it trickles into the next day and it loiterers for the next few days following.. appetite decreases and everything else with it.. sleep is actually my priority next to that is my diet, everything else is an added bonus thereafter..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vision View Post
    I'm just the opposite the moment my sleep is lacking everything else crumbles thereafter..if I have a bad episode where I can't sleep one night it trickles into the next day and it loiterers for the next few days following.. appetite decreases and everything else with it.. sleep is actually my priority next to that is my diet, everything else is an added bonus thereafter..
    That's where I'm at too, without sleep everything else suffers.
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    I was around back then. Nolvadex was not easy to come by. People that did best were those that tolerated estrogen. Cycles were also different. Deca and Dianabol was the common cycle. Nolvadex is not great for IGF-1 levels but is good for cholesterol HDL levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vision View Post
    I'm just the opposite the moment my sleep is lacking everything else crumbles thereafter..if I have a bad episode where I can't sleep one night it trickles into the next day and it loiterers for the next few days following.. appetite decreases and everything else with it.. sleep is actually my priority next to that is my diet, everything else is an added bonus thereafter..
    I think you mis understood what I was saying. I ment swap sleep from #4 to #1 as for me itís the most important thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by REHH View Post
    That's where I'm at too, without sleep everything else suffers.
    likewise. Like I said I can slack to a certain extent everywhere else and with good sleep and recovery Iím good. If I slack on sleep everything goes to shit.

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