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I am seeing that tren can cause bloat. I have lower stomach distension and I think it may be because of the high tren Dose I run and not the gh. Im confused bc tren is supposed to raise insulin sensitivity, so in theory it should help blood sugar and also not be toxic etc. Prolactin doesn’t cause bloat so what mechanism does this bloat work through? Is it inflammation or cortisol related?


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cujo200231 said:
I am seeing that tren can cause bloat. I have lower stomach distension and I think it may be because of the high tren Dose I run and not the gh. Im confused bc tren is supposed to raise insulin sensitivity, so in theory it should help blood sugar and also not be toxic etc. Prolactin doesn’t cause bloat so what mechanism does this bloat work through? Is it inflammation or cortisol related?


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Interesting i would imagine the igf elevation would cause it...and diet . I personally in over a dozen tren runs have never experienced bloat. Are you taling anadrol or dbol w this?

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I just started, but had it before. If you look at nydes thread in here he’s experiencing the same thing. There is also another tread in a forum that the guy added tren and his stomach blew up 2 weeks later with pics. It’s getting better for me just doing all Isolate shakes and basmati rice. No solid foods at all. Just because I don’t know if it’s a digestion issue or what. All I know is after I eat I feel like my intestines are gonna explode lolIMG_0415.jpg
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Yeah dude, that might be unrelated. I have a bit of experience with tren at low dose for way too long but never experienced bloat...when I ran it with deca I had some water retention but nothing like you are describing. I’d drop everything for a lil while, maybe run TRT dose test for a few weeks then try again? Up to you.
 
progesterone and a low dose of t4-t3.
if you take both gh and tren you could run into hypothyroidism.
how is your face?
is it swollen or is it just the stomach?
 
Your problem could be easily explained by diet alone, gastro bloat and AAS can go hand-n-hand for some, it can throw off the digestive enzymes and also be inflammatory to the gastro region for some.. Oral Winny can cause this issue in some users too..
The lack of whole foods alone can cause inflammation because of the imbalance and irregularity of enzymes.. Isolote powders also can posses a slew of artificial ingredients, binders/fillers, corn oils and such that can also induce gastro bloat as well..
I'd suggest getting more whole food "animal protein" in the mix, and take some probiotics and digestive enzymes gummies..
Tren can cause a slew of gastro problems for people, acid reflux is most common tho!
 
A distended stomach can be many things.

It could be gas, or it could be something much worse, how much GH are you running?
 
I would suspect the GH use before the Tren. I usually do get some bloat with Tren though, but for me it only shows up in the ankles. I always thought it was due to Prolactin elevation. Are you using Cabergoline to keep Prolactin levels in check? It might also have something to do with a rise in Progesterone levels as Phil had mentioned, but I don't know of anything you can take to lower Progesterone levels.
 
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Your problem could be easily explained by diet alone, gastro bloat and AAS can go hand-n-hand for some, it can throw off the digestive enzymes and also be inflammatory to the gastro region for some.. Oral Winny can cause this issue in some users too..
The lack of whole foods alone can cause inflammation because of the imbalance and irregularity of enzymes.. Isolote powders also can posses a slew of artificial ingredients, binders/fillers, corn oils and such that can also induce gastro bloat as well..
I'd suggest getting more whole food "animal protein" in the mix, and take some probiotics and digestive enzymes gummies..
Tren can cause a slew of gastro problems for people, acid reflux is most common tho!
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Damn, tren has really been fuckin with a lot of people lately, I don’t know if I’ll ever run it again. To the op, are you having any issues with diarrhea or any other symptoms? Also, does the issue revolve around your pinning the tren or did it just show up and not really better or worse regardless of dosing?
 
Cr3eepp said:
Damn, tren has really been fuckin with a lot of people lately, I don’t know if I’ll ever run it again. To the op, are you having any issues with diarrhea or any other symptoms? Also, does the issue revolve around your pinning the tren or did it just show up and not really better or worse regardless of dosing?
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I think most of issues are coming from low quality gear, huge doses and digestion issues. I’m on 230mg/week of Basicstero Tren H and I have no issues. My digestion was fixed with metamucil.
 
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maddoger said:
Btw, I wasn’t joking :) I had the same issue. Metamucil solved everything
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I agree that metamucil does wonders, 9-10 years ago I had a similar issue, but I was eating WHOLE FOOD..I randomly grabbed that orange flavor stuff and took it home all because of a commercial..It looked like I crapped out seaweed or cabbage, it literally cleaned me out, in fact I thought I shit my lining out but my ex said it wasn't.. never tried it since but it deff cleaned the pipes.. I just didn't like how it gel'd up like a silicone before I chugged it..

He's on empty cals, won't it exacerbate the matter and make the bloat worst??? I dunno.. just a thought..I always thought empty cal bloat is inflammation, adding a natty laxative like this would cause more gas and such?
bro's I dunno.. maybe you dudes experienced something I haven't..

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maddoger said:
I think most of issues are coming from low quality gear, huge doses and digestion issues. I’m on 230mg/week of Basicstero Tren H and I have no issues. My digestion was fixed with metamucil.
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ok, an other one stating this... what was your diet?

Dbol and HGH bloats my gut, but I always eat like champ, I notice when I eat way to clean i get issues and its like a burning.. maybe I'll try this..

before I jump on it, how much do you guys use to start off? Im not there yet, but just taking notes!
 
Thanks for all the responses! okay to sum it up
In the past over a year ago, I was running 18iu of serostim and was eating 6000+ cals to try to "Grow" and running a ton of shit.
Insulin sensitivity was shit from gh with no slin and also an overload of carbs.
Took some time off, went low carb, ran a mild dnp cycle to try to raise insulin sensitivity
Then now-
Still run higher blood sugars, but only in when waking fasted. I take metformin and Jardiance (diabetic medication to lower blood sugar)
I take 6iu serostim fasted and 2 gram test, 1 gram tren ace and 350 trestolone ace, 100mg anadrol (just started), 75mg t3
I take tudca, injectable glutathione, cranberry extract, grazed (green supplement) matador (gda) ravenous (digestive) vsl3 (probiotic) aloe vera, cortisolve (cortisol support), adrenal support,
rx diflucan (if it is candida related-stomach virus) and rx cephalexin (if its an intestinal issue) and also mag 07 which is a colon cleanse.
the reason for the cortisol support is because i train many hours a day as I own a gym and do this 7 days a week.

I was doing full meals but i just didn't have the appetite to eat 6 small meals and looked extremely bloated. So I switched to 6 shakes a day, 5 cups of basmati rice, 3 cups of greens just to avoid that "stuffed" feeling. But still, after I eat, I feel extremely bloated or inflamed like i just ate a thanksgiving dinner.
I def could try adding metamucil, i was just afraid that id feel even more bloated and not be able to eat.
 
maddoger said:
I think most of issues are coming from low quality gear, huge doses and digestion issues. I’m on 230mg/week of Basicstero Tren H and I have no issues. My digestion was fixed with metamucil.
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I just finished a vial of pharmacom tren h, was still keeping it at 200mg/wk. because it did not matter if it was hex or e I’d still get fucked up guts if I went over 200mg and I’ve never tried ace so maybe next time if I ever run it again. But as for the Op’s issue, I’ve never had distended gut just diarrhea.

And if I do run tren again I will try the meta
 
Cr3eepp said:
I just finished a vial of pharmacom tren h, was still keeping it at 200mg/wk. because it did not matter if it was hex or e I’d still get fucked up guts if I went over 200mg and I’ve never tried ace so maybe next time if I ever run it again. But as for the Op’s issue, I’ve never had distended gut just diarrhea.

And if I do run tren again I will try the meta
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So you tried their tren H and E? What do you think? I never tried any tren except of H
 
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Vision said:
ok, an other one stating this... what was your diet?

Dbol and HGH bloats my gut, but I always eat like champ, I notice when I eat way to clean i get issues and its like a burning.. maybe I'll try this..

before I jump on it, how much do you guys use to start off? Im not there yet, but just taking notes!
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Lots of rice, chicken, fish, eggs, protein shakes. Basically too much of protein and not enough of fiber. I just couldn’t consume enough fiber from veggies because my stomach is always busy with the other food
 
maddoger said:
Lots of rice, chicken, fish, eggs, protein shakes. Basically too much of protein and not enough of fiber. I just couldn’t consume enough fiber from veggies because my stomach is always busy with the other food
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Agreed Brother!!! Lots of Fiber

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he bro do you have the diabetes? insulin use have been linked to swollen guts
 
I am not sure if I am or not. I run high blood sugar fasted in that am and take diabetic metformin and jardiance to lower blood glucose. I don't touch insulin tho. can diabetes cause gut inflammation? also I see on forums how people say tren is toxic...confused because everything i see says it isn't liver or kidney toxic. I figured if it was toxic, it could be abdominal fluid buildup from liver/kidney toxicity called acetites or something like that
 
That is a lot of GH you are running.

I have read studies that prove high GH use leads to growth of stomach and intestine as those areas have greater amount of IGF receptors.

Plus, high GH use also increases amount of visceral fat which is usually in the area under the abdominal wall and around the intestines.
 
cujo200231 said:
I am not sure if I am or not. I run high blood sugar fasted in that am and take diabetic metformin and jardiance to lower blood glucose. I don't touch insulin tho. can diabetes cause gut inflammation? also I see on forums how people say tren is toxic...confused because everything i see says it isn't liver or kidney toxic. I figured if it was toxic, it could be abdominal fluid buildup from liver/kidney toxicity called acetites or something like that
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did your doctor prescribe you metformin? thats usually for type 2 diabetes and watch your kidney with jardiance. you really need to talk to your doctor if they got you on metformin and jardiance and you dont know if your diabetic? I hope your not trolling us
 
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So you tried their tren H and E? What do you think? I never tried any tren except of H
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To be honest I couldn’t tell a difference, I started out pinning them @ 200mg/wk each until the second week when my gut fucked up. I backed it down u til issue stopped and just happened to be 200mg/wk, I would pin e once/wk and h twice/wk. I’m not a big fan of hex because it’s only 100mg and it’s expensive, I would just run ace if I had to pin that much oil. If I run it again it will be ace because it doesn’t build up or linger so the fast half life may allow me to run at higher dose, but I’m going to start with some tren base @100mg for pwo and see how my gut reacts.

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That is a lot of GH you are running.
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Skip Foursome said:
I have read studies that prove high GH use leads to growth of stomach and intestine as those areas have greater amount of IGF receptors.

Plus, high GH use also increases amount of visceral fat which is usually in the area under the abdominal wall and around the intestines.
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isn't this the cause of why the pro BB scene is full of distended guts?
 
Skip Foursome said:
That is a lot of GH you are running.

I have read studies that prove high GH use leads to growth of stomach and intestine as those areas have greater amount of IGF receptors.

Plus, high GH use also increases amount of visceral fat which is usually in the area under the abdominal wall and around the intestines.
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Yeah it seems like the GH would be the primary cause of this. Plus the fact that he's running 1g of tren on top of 2g test...that could definitely cause some issues lol. I also wonder about the diflucan and antibiotics...those both could cause gut health problems, especially the antibiotics. If you're having this bad of issues I'd try dropping the compounds and cruise for a bit. Get the gut health problem and the fasting blood sugar issues solved and then get back started again once you're healthy. The blood sugar problems may be permanent now after running that much GH. I'm not sure. There's no science on that in particular so it's kind of a craps shoot. Seems like you're having a lot of serious health problems that need to get solved, and I think the gear use is more than likely the cause of them.

I highly suggest seeing a real GI specialist that knows their shit. That's who you talking need to talk to. We're all just pissing in the wind honestly
 
Cr3eepp said:
To be honest I couldn’t tell a difference, I started out pinning them @ 200mg/wk each until the second week when my gut fucked up. I backed it down u til issue stopped and just happened to be 200mg/wk, I would pin e once/wk and h twice/wk. I’m not a big fan of hex because it’s only 100mg and it’s expensive, I would just run ace if I had to pin that much oil. If I run it again it will be ace because it doesn’t build up or linger so the fast half life may allow me to run at higher dose, but I’m going to start with some tren base @100mg for pwo and see how my gut reacts.
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It looks I have to try tren E. People say tren H has less sides for some reason.. but for me it doesn’t make a lot of sense
 
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