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    Quote Originally Posted by Skip Foursome View Post
    LOL! Okay I guess I'm screwed

    With joints that have no cartilage and some arthritis along with herniated discs I have found isolated movements and higher volume the best method for me but then again I am not going for monster status.

    What would you recommend (in general) for someone like me where I can only go so far with heavier weights?
    More time under tension. Better execution.

    The weight is irrelevant given the same stimulus is used in a certain rep range every set.

    I know that sounds contrary to what I said but it's not.

    Throwing around fast good reps of 315 hitting 8 at failure is equal to slower reps with 245 hitting failure at 8. This is what always happens - "I did 225 for 12 last time, I'm gonna go for 15 this time". Form breaks down, speed increases, completely different stimulus then the last time you did 225 for 12 with good TUT, and rep execution. Then you know what happens?? Damn..... My shoulder hurts.... I wonder why shit head.

    If you think that machines help with joint issues, and sometimes they can but you're often sacrificing some metabolic stress from actually stabilizing the weight, the same idea applies.

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    Different strokes for different folks. I am somewhat in the same boat as Skip4 as far as what my partially broken body will allow me to do. I don't get associating someone else's workout preferences or opinions with being soft or girlish or whatever Monte said. I promise you my workouts are not soft. My goal is not to be on stage or necessarily grow. I do want to gain strength but not at the cost of injuring myself further. In the end everyone has their own approach and I say props to those who put in the work and do their best to improve themselves.

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    Definitely agree with this
    [QUOTE=Montego1;1432894]More time under tension. Better execution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    I disagree with every bit of that except the deadlifts part.
    Same here.
    Deadlifts work so many muscles in one movement... I even advise the older client to do them mainly because they help with daily activities. The problem is very few know how to do them correctly.
    Look around your gym and watch deadlifters... how many arch their back, roll their shoulders, hyper extend at the top, start with their butt too low, raise their head, start with the bar too far from their ankles... most of these lifters have weak glutes and quads and use too much weight...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skip Foursome View Post
    LOL! Okay I guess I'm screwed

    With joints that have no cartilage and some arthritis along with herniated discs I have found isolated movements and higher volume the best method for me but then again I am not going for monster status.

    What would you recommend (in general) for someone like me where I can only go so far with heavier weights?
    When my doc saw my MRI that showed herniated discs I asked what lifts to avoid. He was competing in an iron man and lives the life. He said don't do anything that causes pain and DON'T do deads. LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    More time under tension. Better execution.

    The weight is irrelevant given the same stimulus is used in a certain rep range every set.

    I know that sounds contrary to what I said but it's not.

    Throwing around fast good reps of 315 hitting 8 at failure is equal to slower reps with 245 hitting failure at 8. This is what always happens - "I did 225 for 12 last time, I'm gonna go for 15 this time". Form breaks down, speed increases, completely different stimulus then the last time you did 225 for 12 with good TUT, and rep execution. Then you know what happens?? Damn..... My shoulder hurts.... I wonder why shit head..
    The 315 to failure will produce muscular strength... slower reps at 245 will produce muscular endurance but not the same strength as the 315. Both are time under tension but the tension (overload) is less at 245.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    I disagree with every bit of that except the deadlifts part.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oldschool View Post
    Same here.
    Deadlifts work so many muscles in one movement... I even advise the older client to do them mainly because they help with daily activities. The problem is very few know how to do them correctly.
    Look around your gym and watch deadlifters... how many arch their back, roll their shoulders, hyper extend at the top, start with their butt too low, raise their head, start with the bar too far from their ankles... most of these lifters have weak glutes and quads and use too much weight...
    So I am confused.

    Monte agreed about deadlifts not being beneficial and you say they are.

    Maybe you misread his quote?

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    I dont do deadlifts Skip so we are tight like that💪


    Quote Originally Posted by Skip Foursome View Post
    So I am confused.

    Monte agreed about deadlifts not being beneficial and you say they are.

    Maybe you misread his quote?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skip Foursome View Post
    So I am confused.

    Monte agreed about deadlifts not being beneficial and you say they are.

    Maybe you misread his quote?
    Must have been one of those senior moments...
    Almost everyone deadlifts in their daily lives... it's a natural movement to pick something up off the floor. Your quality of life will be much better if you can do it efficiently and if you are building muscle then there is no other movement that gives so much bang for the buck.
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