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    Subq delivery allows for a smooth release of hormone throughout the week while IM gives you a solid quick kick which slowly decreases with time.
    The combo of both gives me a super high level of hormone for a longer period of time.. I've experimented with this quite a bit and just love the feeling of the combo of the deliver systems. Your point about scar tissue is just a bonus and a valid point.
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    L, care to share your reasoning on this? Simply to not build scar tissue in excess?

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    I've been on trt for 6yrs now, 150mg a week is my prescription but I usually do 200. Most of the time I just do once a week injections and feel fine, I've tried twice a week a few times and didn't notice much difference. Several friends their prescription is 200mg every two weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by REHH View Post
    I've been on trt for 6yrs now, 150mg a week is my prescription but I usually do 200. Most of the time I just do once a week injections and feel fine, I've tried twice a week a few times and didn't notice much difference. Several friends their prescription is 200mg every two weeks.
    same here...

    people need to look at esters like time release drugs.. you can take as many time release meds as you want, only so much will make its way into the blood
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    Quote Originally Posted by ldog View Post
    Subq delivery allows for a smooth release of hormone throughout the week while IM gives you a solid quick kick which slowly decreases with time.
    The combo of both gives me a super high level of hormone for a longer period of time.. I've experimented with this quite a bit and just love the feeling of the combo of the deliver systems. Your point about scar tissue is just a bonus and a valid point.
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    Interesting.

    I don't really like subq'ing oil, even in tiny amounts, but that makes sense.

    Despite what studies say, I don't like the surge of hormone from one single big shot. At least not for TRT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vision View Post
    same here...

    people need to look at esters like time release drugs.. you can take as many time release meds as you want, only so much will make its way into the blood
    Huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    Huh?
    I'll let you think about that one.get back to me when you figure it out...
    you already know esters dictate the release of the parenting drug, much like a time released medication.. How do you not understand that analogy? its the most basic analogy one can give
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vision View Post
    I'll let you think about that one.get back to me when you figure it out...
    you already know esters dictate the release of the parenting drug, much like a time released medication.. How do you not understand that analogy? its the most basic analogy one can give
    So you can take as many time released medications and you won't have higher levels of the medication in you? Like lets say it's 25mg time released tablet. If you took 4 tablets you wouldn't notice a difference from one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypionator View Post
    So you can take as many time released medications and you won't have higher levels of the medication in you? Like lets say it's 25mg time released tablet. If you took 4 tablets you wouldn't notice a difference from one?
    Okay if two people are confused on this then maybe it's not a good analogy.. I'm really trying to find the best way to put this other than what I stated a few posts prior.. when a drug is designed to have a specific activation time, hang time, release.. like testosterone attached to a long Ester; taking one dosage a week or breaking it up into increments is not going to make a difference. the release time of a drug is the release time of the drug..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypionator View Post
    So you can take as many time released medications and you won't have higher levels of the medication in you? Like lets say it's 25mg time released tablet. If you took 4 tablets you wouldn't notice a difference from one?
    And what I mean is the overall dosage.. let's say the cmax was intended to be 80 with a drug that is Time released.. one tablet every 8 hours, taking 4 x 20s throughout different times is not going to bring you any closer..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vision View Post
    I'll let you think about that one.get back to me when you figure it out...
    you already know esters dictate the release of the parenting drug, much like a time released medication.. How do you not understand that analogy? its the most basic analogy one can give
    No I get that the ester let's the hormone release over time but, the more of the compound you put in, the more hormone there will be in the blood stream.

    Your post made it seem like you meant, no matter if you inject 200mg or 1000mg, only a certain amount would release despite the increased dose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    No I get that the ester let's the hormone release over time but, the more of the compound you put in, the more hormone there will be in the blood stream.

    Your post made it seem like you meant, no matter if you inject 200mg or 1000mg, only a certain amount would release despite the increased dose.
    no no no.. I was talking about a set dose.. the frequency of the dose won't matter IMO, unless someone can correct me where I'm wrong.. one thing I know that is set in stone is timing.. Time everything.. one great example of timing os something you even mentioned on a unrelated topic, timing AI's the day after injection.. I been employing that and noticed a huge difference, I too brake up injections lately due to volume, but just 2 x a weeks..the following day I take my AI unlike just randomly scheduling it in my week..

    my incoherent rant was stressing along the lines that the parenting hormone is limited, whether IM, sub-q, increased frequency and so on, only so much will happen due to its "structured allowance"
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    I may have a piece of evidence that contradicts what I'm saying about the injection frequency, but as usual there's other information that's contradicting that... Give me sometime and let me get all this together.. it's rather interesting. From what I'm gathering it's mostly suggestions, but interesting to say the least.
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