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Rich Piana Liver and Organ Defender

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first cycle support with some great ingredients on this list idk about 9 pills to get the full serving though. It works well so far any other future cycle support suggestions?
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I read what is in this supp and really liked it. It seems like a very well rounded on cycle supplement.

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He puts the coke in those caps...supposed to snort it bro.
 
That is the same thing I am using, got mine in last week. Have you noticed it doing its intended purpose yet? I hope I made a good choice buying it as I placed my order sorta on an impulse, I enjoy watching Rich Piana videos and saw it there and decided I'd give it a try seeing as how he was definitely an experienced gear user and might know what he is talking about.
 
I take his liver and organ defender when Im on AAS 100% of the time, no exceptions. I would also recommend Liv 52 and R-ALA if you are running orals to help your liver even more. Also fish oil is the staple of cycle support so never skip out on fish oil
 
well to answer my own question from this thread since taking the rich piana 5% liver and organ the last time i got my labs everything seemed to be good and also rich piana said it will help with acne and honestly i did not get any acne. now of course all this could be coincidental but i am sure it helped.
 
FWIW. I have used the stuff for a few years now. I tend to punish my liver at times with orals. My blood work on my enzymes come in a little high, but not bad. They usually go back down after the punishment. I think it works pretty good for me.
 
dawg16 said:
FWIW. I have used the stuff for a few years now. I tend to punish my liver at times with orals. My blood work on my enzymes come in a little high, but not bad. They usually go back down after the punishment. I think it works pretty good for me.
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the liver and organ?
 
CompoundLifts31 said:
I read what is in this supp and really liked it. It seems like a very well rounded on cycle supplement.

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I am friends with his mom (sweet lady) and unfortunately she does not get a penny from any sales.
 
Bunch of hogwash if you want my opinion.

Somehow a berry root extract (or whatever you call it) is going to change or convert how your liver regenerates while taking methylated AAS.

But if it makes you feel better then by all means use it.
 
Skip Foursome said:
Bunch of hogwash if you want my opinion.

Somehow a berry root extract (or whatever you call it) is going to change or convert how your liver regenerates while taking methylated AAS.

But if it makes you feel better then by all means use it.
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i have no idea if it works on everything it claims or not but i will say rich aid it helps with acne and i have not got any acne using the liver and organ while on steroids.
 
kudegras said:
i have no idea if it works on everything it claims or not but i will say rich aid it helps with acne and i have not got any acne using the liver and organ while on steroids.
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Either that or it's the 4 hour a day training sessions :)
 
Working so hard the zits just fall off
 
Skip Foursome said:
Bunch of hogwash if you want my opinion.

Somehow a berry root extract (or whatever you call it) is going to change or convert how your liver regenerates while taking methylated AAS.

But if it makes you feel better then by all means use it.
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Skip, I know you are well educated on all this stuff, have you ever tried his products?
 
I do not think 5% nutrition is claiming this product is going to prevent any and all side effects that anabolic steroids might cause. Anyone who believes this is very misguided I think what 5% nutrition is trying to do is help and give some type of support to your body when taking steroids. Something is better than nothing. I am sure they are smart enough to know they are not going to make people believe they can prevent any and all issues taking steroids might cause.
 
dawg16 said:
Skip, I know you are well educated on all this stuff, have you ever tried his products?
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Oh you give me too much credit :)

I am not well educated, I am going by what I have read and just my opinion.

I think the supplement industry with few exceptions is full of shit.

One example of why I do not believe in liver protection is because the complexities of liver biological function coupled with the complexity of methylated AAS.

Something as simple as Hawthorne Berry or NAC does not posses the ability to interact with either of the above mentioned and make the process of the liver breaking down an oral steroid alright to use.

Another example of why I do not believe in liver protection is because what a member went through a few years ago. Going on memory this guy ran orals for a year. Winstrol all year and off and on with other orals, after a year he had blood testing and it was either his AST or ALT was 2000 plus!

He went to the ER and was referred to a specialist. The doctor was either a Gastroenterologist or Hepatologist that specialized in liver disorders (again this is a long time ago so I forget which)

Anyways, do you know what was prescribed for this guy by the specialist that has expertise in this area? Time off, that's it, nothing else. Within three months his liver values were back to normal.

I think guys want to feel good about abusing their livers and say 'hey I'm fine I am using liver protection'. That is what drives sales and the placebo effect.

And supplements are 90% marketing bullshit and maybe 10% results.

Rich Piana is no guru for AAS and longevity, his results are living proof of that, all he has going for him is name recognition.

Just to make my point about supplements and the hype, look at Wieght Watchers, Oprah Winfrey is their spokesperson, are we supposed to all jump on the bandwagon because she says so?
 
I dont but that's up to you.

I have run MTR at 1.5mg PWO and halo as high as 20mg PWO and after four weeks my liver enzymes are in the 50s which is what I expect.

That is my liver doing its job and regenerating at a higher rate than normal.

Moderate doses and time off are the factors for keeping your liver healthy.

Forget about the liver, it regenerates as compared to you heart or kidneys, you screw those up your done.
 
Skip Foursome said:
Oh you give me too much credit :)

I am not well educated, I am going by what I have read and just my opinion.

I think the supplement industry with few exceptions is full of shit.

One example of why I do not believe in liver protection is because the complexities of liver biological function coupled with the complexity of methylated AAS.

Something as simple as Hawthorne Berry or NAC does not posses the ability to interact with either of the above mentioned and make the process of the liver breaking down an oral steroid alright to use.

Another example of why I do not believe in liver protection is because what a member went through a few years ago. Going on memory this guy ran orals for a year. Winstrol all year and off and on with other orals, after a year he had blood testing and it was either his AST or ALT was 2000 plus!

He went to the ER and was referred to a specialist. The doctor was either a Gastroenterologist or Hepatologist that specialized in liver disorders (again this is a long time ago so I forget which)

Anyways, do you know what was prescribed for this guy by the specialist that has expertise in this area? Time off, that's it, nothing else. Within three months his liver values were back to normal.

I think guys want to feel good about abusing their livers and say 'hey I'm fine I am using liver protection'. That is what drives sales and the placebo effect.

And supplements are 90% marketing bullshit and maybe 10% results.

Rich Piana is no guru for AAS and longevity, his results are living proof of that, all he has going for him is name recognition.

Just to make my point about supplements and the hype, look at Wieght Watchers, Oprah Winfrey is their spokesperson, are we supposed to all jump on the bandwagon because she says so?
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meh i am not going to act like i know everything about what rich piana was doing and why what happened to him happened. did not know the guy. i do believe something is better than nothing and as long as a person is not depending on that supplement which 5 % nutrition is not saying to do then a little liver support is not a bad idea. the old school guys always had a liver support. my dad was a bodybuilder back in the golden era living california and knew guys who went to golds gym venice. he told me some of what is in the 5% nutrition liver and organ is what some of the guys back in the day used to take. i just do not want to say this stuff is snake oil or anything.
 
Supplement looks good, nice combination of vitamins and acids. Need to try.
 
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