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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    Have you thought about maybe taking in an extra half gallon? Might help with that water retention...... More water in means more water out.
    I'm sure that's part of the problem. I took a week off work to get some things done around the house and it was in the mid 90s and very humid all week. I literally sweated my ass off so I'm sure I'm very dehydrated. I always have a hard time getting the necessary amount of water in.

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    One more thing..... Your comment about the fats and insulin.

    Fats won't be stored just from the insulin...... Pretty common thinking but isn't right.
    Well that's good to hear. I'll be sure to remain consistent with my fat intake regardless of it being around the insulin. I read not to take in fats around your insulin injections on someone's insulin protocol somewhere...can't remember if it was Mike Arnold's or someone else's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TouaregV8 View Post
    I'm sure that's part of the problem. I took a week off work to get some things done around the house and it was in the mid 90s and very humid all week. I literally sweated my ass off so I'm sure I'm very dehydrated. I always have a hard time getting the necessary amount of water in.



    Well that's good to hear. I'll be sure to remain consistent with my fat intake regardless of it being around the insulin. I read not to take in fats around your insulin injections on someone's insulin protocol somewhere...can't remember if it was Mike Arnold's or someone else's.
    The extra water seems to help with my arms going to sleep at night. It's not only the water retention that leads to that though, it's also just inflammation of the joints.

    On the fats and insulin... If I were to critique, which I hope you don't mind, keep the fats out like you mentioned but, keep that carb source the same pre with oats.

    Like I said, insulin isn't gonna take fats and store them, it's gonna take EVERYTHING. So, too many calories period will lead to the fat gain. Something like cream of rice would pair well with the nut butter but, I would still stick with the oats.

    There have been a lot of well know coaches, skip hill being one, and he produces tons of shredded physiques using insulin only on loading days where fats can be very high, who say fats around insulin don't really matter its just overall calories and I saw this testing it out with myself.

    I personally just felt that instead of keeping fats in there, I felt fuller by increasing the carbs to compensate for removing.

    And damn it, I've broken my own rules about talking on insulin lol. Damn you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    If I were to critique, which I hope you don't mind
    Not at all. I appreciate your feedback.


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    And damn it, I've broken my own rules about talking on insulin lol. Damn you!
    I know. I think the same thing when I'm writing out my protocol, but at least we're helping to educate. Insulin should definitely be respected, but as long as one follows the protocol, times everything correctly, and EATs, it's not as scary as I once thought it was. With that said, I don't think the average gym rat should consider using insulin. It's just not worth the potential risks, and more than likely your goals CAN BE MET without it.
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    Log just got very interesting...

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    Agree on more water, you are a big boy and I'm sure you are expelling more than you are putting in. 1.5 gallons daily

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    Touavreg8 and Monte, You both compete right? Would you both say that messing around with insulin and higher doses of GH are really more for competitors and moderate dose to low dose GH for those over 40?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifter6973 View Post
    Touavreg8 and Monte, You both compete right? Would you both say that messing around with insulin and higher doses of GH are really more for competitors and moderate dose to low dose GH for those over 40?
    Yeah.

    I don't see much of any reason for someone who isn't focused on growing a lot to go above 2-3iu of gh Ed.

    Sides go up. Cost goes up.

    And at an older age, even small doses will be very pronounced compared to if you were younger.

    3iu M-F or 3iu eod after 2 weeks of every day dosing. Those are the doses and frequency I would suggest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifter6973 View Post
    Touaregv8 and Monte, You both compete right? Would you both say that messing around with insulin and higher doses of GH are really more for competitors and moderate dose to low dose GH for those over 40?
    I agree with Monte, above. 2-3ius per day for anti-aging benefits for men, and 1-2ius per day for women.

    Yes, I feel that insulin use, as well as higher doses of HGH, should be left for the competitors who are trying to take their physique to the next level. There are just too many risks involved in regard to insulin and high doses of HGH for the average person whose just trying to improve their physique.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TouaregV8 View Post
    I agree with Monte, above. 2-3ius per day for anti-aging benefits for men, and 1-2ius per day for women.

    Yes, I feel that insulin use, as well as higher doses of HGH, should be left for the competitors who are trying to take their physique to the next level. There are just too many risks involved in regard to insulin and high doses of HGH for the average person whose just trying to improve their physique.
    How many IU's of hgh would you suggest to someone trying to take they're body to the next level however not willing to completely through health away.

    Are 3 to 4 IUs ED worth it to build muscle? Or is it only worth in the 8 to 15 IU a day range?
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavylifting View Post
    How many IU's of hgh would you suggest to someone trying to take they're body to the next level however not willing to completely through health away.

    Are 3 to 4 IUs ED worth it to build muscle? Or is it only worth in the 8 to 15 IU a day range?
    Typically 5-7ius per day to get into the muscle building aspect of HGH, while erring on the conservative side. 10ius plus and your dabbling in the IFBB Pro neighborhood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TouaregV8 View Post
    Typically 5-7ius per day to get into the muscle building aspect of HGH, while erring on the conservative side. 10ius plus and your dabbling in the IFBB Pro neighborhood.

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    Iíve been on 2ius every day for 3 weeks.. my joints were hurting .. now itís subsiding.. gonna up it to 4ius next week.. would 5 on 2off be sufficient?? Or should I wait another 2 more weeks after doing 4ius a day to do 5 on 2 off??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultrastreet275 View Post
    Iíve been on 2ius every day for 3 weeks.. my joints were hurting .. now itís subsiding.. gonna up it to 4ius next week.. would 5 on 2off be sufficient?? Or should I wait another 2 more weeks after doing 4ius a day to do 5 on 2 off??
    You'd be just fine switching to 5 on/2 off at this point.
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    Just wanted to check in since I haven't updated in a few days. Still using 5ius of Puretropin first thing in the morning. Sides are still the same and very mild, swelling in my hands and tingling in my fingers. My body weight is all over the place, just when I think I'm starting an upward trend, I lose 2-3 lbs. Today I woke up at 233lbs. I attribute the fluctuation to working outside around my house in the 90 degree heat and losing water weight. I seem to be sweating a hell of a lot more on the masteron as well. I've been doing my best to take in additional water. Can't wait until fall. My training has been great and the pump in the gym is awesome. Insulin use has been uneventful. I've been running 13ius pre-workout without incident. I will say I felt a little hypo the other night and ironically that was the first night where I had potato, instead of rice or oats, for my pre-workout meal. No more potatoes around my insulin use. My blood pressure has been running 150s/90s so I started taking benazepril (10mg) yesterday to get it under control. My diet has been very clean and I haven't had a good ole cheat meal in awhile, so today after the gym (arm day) I'm going to hit Five Guys and get a triple cheeseburger and fries loaded with malt vinegar and ketchup. Tomorrow I'll probably wake up swelled up like a tick.
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    Let me know what happens to your blood pressure.

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