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    Quote Originally Posted by dawg16 View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that scenario where you start to see other compounds instead of gh being used?
    When you see serum tests come back in the 40s is what I'm referring to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawg16 View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that scenario where you start to see other compounds instead of gh being used?
    Quote Originally Posted by ROID View Post
    When you see serum tests come back in the 40s is what I'm referring to.
    When I see a serum test over about 28, I don't think it's real gh.

    Either

    A - The vials are overdosed (usually not likely since I've only ever seen black tops tested this way at 15iu)

    B - it's actually Ghrp/cjc peptides instead of growth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skip Foursome View Post
    Meh, honestly I am burned out on the subject.

    Up until earlier this year we had the *only real* Jintropin supplier on ASF that could not be bought elsewhere until everyone figured out they were generic like others. Business dried up and they left.
    Great packaging, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    When I see a serum test over about 28, I don't think it's real gh.

    Either

    A - The vials are overdosed (usually not likely since I've only ever seen black tops tested this way at 15iu)

    B - it's actually Ghrp/cjc peptides instead of growth
    This is exactly why I test IGF-1 only. 4 ius moved my IGF almost 400 points. Iíll take that all day long.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    When I see a serum test over about 28, I don't think it's real gh.

    Either

    A - The vials are overdosed (usually not likely since I've only ever seen black tops tested this way at 15iu)

    B - it's actually Ghrp/cjc peptides instead of growth
    Isn't elevated IGF the goal when administering GH?

    how would the benefits differ if you Igf was elevated via gh vs a peptide Like ghrp?

    I have been asking myself this for a while now. Unless the benefits received from GH have nothing to do with Igf and that is just a way of verification it seems like one would be better off just using peptide combo Like GHRP and cjc 1295.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skinnyguy180 View Post
    Isn't elevated IGF the goal when administering GH?

    how would the benefits differ if you Igf was elevated via gh vs a peptide Like ghrp?

    I have been asking myself this for a while now. Unless the benefits received from GH have nothing to do with Igf and that is just a way of verification it seems like one would be better off just using peptide combo Like GHRP and cjc 1295.
    Yes the end result is elevated igf-1 levels. GH injections eventually make their way to the liver where it's converted to igf-1. There are a few different scenarios that can effect how well it's converted to igf-1. Running orals can stress the liver thereby reducing igf-1. Some AI/PCT meds reduce igf-1. Some guys (not all) have seen lower igf-1 levels when running tren. Nandrolone has been shown to increase igf-1 levels.

    With the ghrp n other peptides they will cause the body to release GH but not to the levels seen with actual gh. And if I'm not mistaken they r much shorter duration pulses like 20-30 min after injection where actual gh spike around 3hrs. Which is y the whole protocol for GH serum testing came from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffG View Post
    Yes the end result is elevated igf-1 levels. GH injections eventually make their way to the liver where it's converted to igf-1. There are a few different scenarios that can effect how well it's converted to igf-1. Running orals can stress the liver thereby reducing igf-1. Some AI/PCT meds reduce igf-1. Some guys (not all) have seen lower igf-1 levels when running tren. Nandrolone has been shown to increase igf-1 levels.

    With the ghrp n other peptides they will cause the body to release GH but not to the levels seen with actual gh. And if I'm not mistaken they r much shorter duration pulses like 20-30 min after injection where actual gh spike around 3hrs. Which is y the whole protocol for GH serum testing came from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmoney View Post
    Thanks jeff! Youíre always a plethora of good info.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffG View Post
    Yes the end result is elevated igf-1 levels. GH injections eventually make their way to the liver where it's converted to igf-1. There are a few different scenarios that can effect how well it's converted to igf-1. Running orals can stress the liver thereby reducing igf-1. Some AI/PCT meds reduce igf-1. Some guys (not all) have seen lower igf-1 levels when running tren. Nandrolone has been shown to increase igf-1 levels.

    With the ghrp n other peptides they will cause the body to release GH but not to the levels seen with actual gh. And if I'm not mistaken they r much shorter duration pulses like 20-30 min after injection where actual gh spike around 3hrs. Which is y the whole protocol for GH serum testing came from.

    This doesnt really answer my question. These guys are saying that the IGF-1 is to high to be GH and is probably from a peptide. and IGF levels take time to build up as you said so whether igf is building up from gh or peptides would be irrelevant as IGF does not spike it gradually builds up. So my question is- if Igf builds up either way(more so with peptides) and assuming the benefits come from the build up of Igf... and given that Peptides are cheaper(a lot cheaper) why spend the money for less of a result.

    The only way it would make sense is if the igf testing was just a way to verify GH vs Peptides. and the benifit come from some other mechanism of action. Or the statement that peptides produce a higher Igf than gh is just not accurate.
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    http://www.eje-online.org/content/139/4/395.full.pdf

    No increase in IGF-1 for healthy young males on GHRP-2, in spite of increases in GH lasting a couple of hours.

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