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    Best Compound For Tren Related Gyno (prolactin)

    Let's face it, Tren is one of those things you love or hate. You can either deal with the sides, not be effected by the sides or in some cases just pass on Tren completely.
    This post isnt exactly about the prevention of Gyno brought on by Tren/Prolactin but rather what the best course of treatment for existing gyno brought on by Tren. Dont get me wrong, this is by no means a new topic but certainly one worth digging into.
    Ive read articles in which Nolva and Letro are both acknowledged for breaking down the masses and somewhat returning the chest to a more proper form. However in rare cases, ive read in which Tren users have had to have surgery for the removal of the mass build up.
    Any thoughts on the subject or personal experience?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DUTCHPHARMA View Post
    Let's face it, Tren is one of those things you love or hate. You can either deal with the sides, not be effected by the sides or in some cases just pass on Tren completely.
    This post isnt exactly about the prevention of Gyno brought on by Tren/Prolactin but rather what the best course of treatment for existing gyno brought on by Tren. Dont get me wrong, this is by no means a new topic but certainly one worth digging into.
    Ive read articles in which Nolva and Letro are both acknowledged for breaking down the masses and somewhat returning the chest to a more proper form. However in rare cases, ive read in which Tren users have had to have surgery for the removal of the mass build up.
    Any thoughts on the subject or personal experience?
    Never use Nolva on a 19nor also I've ran tren or deca or both at the same time no prolactin issues if estrogen is controlled. If you do get sides I would use prami caber drops igf levels.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tren2k14 View Post
    Never use Nolva on a 19nor also I've ran tren or deca or both at the same time no prolactin issues if estrogen is controlled. If you do get sides I would use prami caber drops igf levels.


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    im not sure the "no nolva with 19nors" is entirely true. Id have to look into it again but i think that has been disproved... but i could be wrong. Either way ralox would be a better option than nolva in regards to removing existing gyno.


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    Quote Originally Posted by velociraptor44 View Post
    im not sure the "no nolva with 19nors" is entirely true. Id have to look into it again but i think that has been disproved... but i could be wrong. Either way ralox would be a better option than nolva in regards to removing existing gyno.
    But since it doesn't get rid of estrogen and just blocks it wouldn't it still allow a increase in prolactin?


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    Quote Originally Posted by tren2k14 View Post
    But since it doesn't get rid of estrogen and just blocks it wouldn't it still allow a increase in prolactin?


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    Well caber and an ai should still be used with ralox. I was just saying that ralox seems to be better than nolva with treating gyno.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DUTCHPHARMA View Post
    Let's face it, Tren is one of those things you love or hate. You can either deal with the sides, not be effected by the sides or in some cases just pass on Tren completely.
    This post isnt exactly about the prevention of Gyno brought on by Tren/Prolactin but rather what the best course of treatment for existing gyno brought on by Tren. Dont get me wrong, this is by no means a new topic but certainly one worth digging into.
    Ive read articles in which Nolva and Letro are both acknowledged for breaking down the masses and somewhat returning the chest to a more proper form. However in rare cases, ive read in which Tren users have had to have surgery for the removal of the mass build up.
    Any thoughts on the subject or personal experience?
    I recently read an article by a PhD studying this subject. His contention was progesterone does not cause gynocomastia. He claimed high progesterone stimulates estrogen, raises it and its the estrogen really causing the gyno. I'm trying to find the article. Going by this thinking letro should be plenty to solve this problem and caber wouldn't be needed. Maybe he's wrong but he had alot of degrees after his name from some pretty impressive universities. I'm going to keep looking, If i find it I'll post it.

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    I now fully believe the whole tamoxifen with a 19-nor thing is baseless conjecture. I'm running 20mg a day to keep my gyno under control while I'm on deca. No problems.

    I also believe that caber isn't really needed if you keep estrogen under control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GarlicChicken View Post
    I now fully believe the whole tamoxifen with a 19-nor thing is baseless conjecture. I'm running 20mg a day to keep my gyno under control while I'm on deca. No problems.

    I also believe that caber isn't really needed if you keep estrogen under control.
    in bold is what i've been hearing lately as well. I've heard that other statement re: no nolva with 19-nors - i've never done it..so idk..

    but, since im "estro-sensitive" then i try to control estro with an an a.i. regardless of what else i have in the mix

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    Good dose of mast and up the aromasin dose and I've gotten rid of leaky nipples on tren before. Fuck running letro or any other of the harsh shit. A dht + real aromasin always knocks any gyno out for me and I still feel great while on it.

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    My nipples can cut glass on that combo

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    I always had great success with 20mgs of Nolva ED and .5mgs of Cabaser E3d while on tren cycles. Always handled my estrogen and prolactin with ease.

    If I use only an AI on tren, I still get itchy nipples, and increases in prolactin.

    I know pubmed studies exist that claims the Prolactin cannot cause gyno. Only Estrogen. But if you look at other studies, and I remember this from my days of administering Psych meds, there is a drug called Risperdal. The mechanism of that medication caused many users to suffer from Gyno. And in studies, and the lawsuit, it claims that the Mechanism by which the gyno happened in these individuals was high prolactin.

    "Prolactin controls sex drive in males. The pituitary gland produces prolactin, and the neurotransmitter dopamine controls the levels of the hormone. Risperdal blocks dopamine’s action on the pituitary gland and can cause the levels of prolactin to increase and reach abnormal levels — a condition known as hyperprolactinemia.

    Suffering from gynecomastia after taking Risperdal? In women, prolactin stimulates breast development and breast milk production. When high levels of prolactin are present in males, those excessive levels can prompt similar processes, resulting in gynecomastia, sometimes accompanied by galactorrhea (abnormal lactation). In severe cases, males have developed large, D- and DD-cup sized breasts."
    https://www.drugwatch.com/risperdal/side-effects/

    So we see that they say that Increased prolactin can also induce growth of the mammory glands (which would certainly look like gyno) as well...



    Crazy right??


    So based on these contradicting stories, I'd rather just be safe then sorry and run Nolva and Cabaser, but that's me personally

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    Quote Originally Posted by WesleyInman View Post
    I always had great success with 20mgs of Nolva ED and .5mgs of Cabaser E3d while on tren cycles. Always handled my estrogen and prolactin with ease.

    If I use only an AI on tren, I still get itchy nipples, and increases in prolactin.

    I know pubmed studies exist that claims the Prolactin cannot cause gyno. Only Estrogen. But if you look at other studies, and I remember this from my days of administering Psych meds, there is a drug called Risperdal. The mechanism of that medication caused many users to suffer from Gyno. And in studies, and the lawsuit, it claims that the Mechanism by which the gyno happened in these individuals was high prolactin.

    "Prolactin controls sex drive in males. The pituitary gland produces prolactin, and the neurotransmitter dopamine controls the levels of the hormone. Risperdal blocks dopamine’s action on the pituitary gland and can cause the levels of prolactin to increase and reach abnormal levels — a condition known as hyperprolactinemia.

    Suffering from gynecomastia after taking Risperdal? In women, prolactin stimulates breast development and breast milk production. When high levels of prolactin are present in males, those excessive levels can prompt similar processes, resulting in gynecomastia, sometimes accompanied by galactorrhea (abnormal lactation). In severe cases, males have developed large, D- and DD-cup sized breasts."
    https://www.drugwatch.com/risperdal/side-effects/

    So we see that they say that Increased prolactin can also induce growth of the mammory glands (which would certainly look like gyno) as well...



    Crazy right??


    So based on these contradicting stories, I'd rather just be safe then sorry and run Nolva and Cabaser, but that's me personally

    Yeah but this dudes contention was prolactin causes estro to rise so even in this situation he would say it's the estro causing the gyno.

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    I'm running a cutting cycle
    300mg of tren a
    300mg of mast.
    300mg of test ent
    450mg of eq
    A week
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    50 mg of var Ed


    Im having issues with gyno and prolactin issue. I'm taking 1g armidex and .5gm of caber ED and still no change in gyno or prolactin. It seems like it gets better but then it's worse again. Any suggestion would be appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpaytonenator View Post
    I'm running a cutting cycle
    300mg of tren a
    300mg of mast.
    300mg of test ent
    450mg of eq
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    also
    50 mg of var Ed


    Im having issues with gyno and prolactin issue. I'm taking 1g armidex and .5gm of caber ED and still no change in gyno or prolactin. It seems like it gets better but then it's worse again. Any suggestion would be appreciated.
    1mg adex and .5mg caber? Is the adex research?


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    No but the caber is. It's like a hit are miss with research

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