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First time on TRT. Check me over!

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Hi, I went to a wellness/anti aging center to get started on TRT. For years I have felt tired and unfocused, low energy levels, low libido, etc. About 2 years back I self dosed a Sust cycle for 3 months about 550/mg week (3x weekly) and came off with just Clomid. The source was not very good in my opinion although the test was good. I did my best to try to find a better source on here but it didn't work out. Anyway during the cycle I felt absolutely amazing, slept great, great libido, great energy etc but when I came off, somehow I think the Clomid was bunk or was actually Cialis because I was having crazy erections but feeling like shit. I even quit my job.

Anyway fast forward 2 years and here I am posting again. This time with blood results and through a doctor. Ideally I would like to go through a general practitioner or urologist etc and get it prescribed, and I have really really good insurance through my union trade job.

But anyway I just wanted to get started so I went to one of these clinics. Paid $50 for bloods, $150 for consultation, and then my monthly fee is $175 for Test Cyp, Anastrozole, and HCG. Doc also recommended Omega, coq10, vit D, niacin, and quercetin.

Going through my bloods he said everything was pretty normal, including my test levels (which I purposely tried to make low by not working out, drinking a ton, etc), but Estrogen was high. As a result he put me on 5 days straight of Anastrozole.

My weekly dosing was recommended as follows:
Monday 1/2cc Test Cyp ~100mg
Tuesday/Wednesday 1 pill Anastrozole @ 1mg
Sat/Sun 20 units HCG

So here are my questions
1 - Does that seem like a ripoff? Price seems a bit high. Price is the same whether you're on 100 or 200mg etc.
2 - Does that seem like way too much Anastrozole? I was thinking more like 1mg per week max and splitting the pill into fourths.
3 - Does anything else stand out from my bloods, etc? Any other advice would be fantastic, thanks.


Here are my results please let me know if you need any more info










 
Trt clinics are always expensive. Price to be legal.
Everyone is different but I think test is a bit low and adex is probably high.

My current try is
150mg test a split sun and thur (75 each obviously)
12.5 aromasin e3d
Last bloods I was in 800s for test and 20s for estro

When I used adex I was doing about .25 e3d.
 
The price is up there, but so are all TRT clinics from what I've found. I ended up going through a naturopathic sports doc... still not cheap because my insurance doesn't cover it, so all out of pocket, but no monthly fees at least.
I gave up trying to jump through all the hoops my family doc and urologist wanted me to, and the endocrinologist was just a pain in the ass.

I pay $250 2x/yr for bloods & check up, have a prescription to get my Test at the pharmacy ($58 for 10ml, 200mg/ml Test Cyp). I gave up on HCG- don't care about ball size, and no need to stay fertile... plus I didn't feel "better" on it, and it just complicated things.
I don't currently use any AI- stays in the high 20s on its own, where I happen to feel best.

My current TRT is just 200mg/wk Test Cyp, split into two sub q injections per week. Simple, and keeps my Test levels between 1100 and 1300.

At this point I feel like I have a better grip on my own hormones then my doc does, and have thought about just ditching him... but in the end it's not a bad price to pay to be legal.
 
Sorry guys those results were prior to starting the TRT. Just took my 1st pin today after the 5 days of arimidex. I'll take any suggestions to do something like that through a doctor that's cheaper, but being that my results were pretty mid-range normal, I could imagine it might be a bit difficult.

PS I'm 33, 5'11, 170lbs, if that means anything.
 
yeah, you're under 40, and have decent numbers... 642 isn't bad. Not ideal, but not terrible... a regular doc is likely going to say you're totally normal and well within range. Hell, if my numbers were like that, I'd focus on raising natural Test production vs being tied to extraneous Test.

I was over 40 and total test under 300, and still couldn't get regular doctors to do anything other than suggest a HPTA restart (Clomid).
 
No legit Dr will place you on TRT with test levels that high. Those clinics don't give an actual shit about your health they just want money. You LH level is low but you FHS is normal. you aren't Hypogonadal. you have other issues I beleive
 
No legit Dr will place you on TRT with test levels that high. Those clinics don't give an actual shit about your health they just want money. You LH level is low but you FHS is normal. you aren't Hypogonadal. you have other issues I beleive

what about estradiol isnt that a bit high? 2nd day of arimidex i felt i had better energy and focus. Should i look into some sort of anti esteogen and natural test boosters? All i know is how i felt on 500mg test alone felt like what i should feel normally. Great libido, erections, energy and focus. I just want that feeling bAck. I was thinking about doing this regimen for a couple months to see how i feel.

Thanks for the advice thus far everyone
 
No such thing as a natural test booster. Also 1mg of adex is a ridiculous amount for the amount of Test you're injecting. At most you shouldn't need more than .5mg the whole week. Your E2 isn't really that high. Would it hurt to drop it a tad? Probably not but I'll guarantee you will crush your E2 and feel like crap if you take that much adex.

Did they give you the ability to pin yourself or do you have to go to them each time? If you can pin yourself split that 100mg injection into 50mg Monday and Thursday AM. It will keep your hormones more stable. Get some 1ml syringes from medvet supply and it will be easy to measure.
 
At 40 my Test was 320 and my doctor and endo both told me I was normal and didn't need anything. So I went through a clinic on my own for the first try. Found out it made me feel tons better and got me in the 1000 range. After that I sourced my own and took it upon myself.

Agree w/ the others on the extreme adex amounts.
 
10-4 I'm gonna talk to them about substantially reducing costs and bringing down the adex big time. On that note do I even need HCG? They let me pin on my own but doesn't affect the price =\

Place had nothing but great reviews but I guess that was all garbage
 
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10-4 I'm gonna talk to them about substantially reducing costs and bringing down the adex big time. On that note do I even need HCG? They let me pin on my own but doesn't affect the price =\

Place had nothing but great reviews but I guess that was all garbage

Some like HCG for certain benefits. Do you need it? No. One thing it does do is help raise TT so it does in a certain way raise E2 also. If they will let you pin on your own do it. Personally I'm on TRT and quit going to the Dr 2 years ago and moniter my own bloods. There are some reliable sources where you can get pharmaceutical grade test and AI's cheaper than what you're paying. Blood work every 3 months cost about $60 through Labsmd or privatedmlabs. If you're in a state where you can do it.
 
Some like HCG for certain benefits. Do you need it? No. One thing it does do is help raise TT so it does in a certain way raise E2 also. If they will let you pin on your own do it. Personally I'm on TRT and quit going to the Dr 2 years ago and moniter my own bloods. There are some reliable sources where you can get pharmaceutical grade test and AI's cheaper than what you're paying. Blood work every 3 months cost about $60 through Labsmd or privatedmlabs. If you're in a state where you can do it.

i havent had much luck finding a good source which is why i tried the doctor route. Seems like everyone wants references or something and everyone else is shady, sells bunk etc.

as far as doing your own bloods, do you go into a local clinic or you literally do it yourself? Im in sofla.
 
i havent had much luck finding a good source which is why i tried the doctor route. Seems like everyone wants references or something and everyone else is shady, sells bunk etc.

as far as doing your own bloods, do you go into a local clinic or you literally do it yourself? Im in sofla.

You order them online. If you use privatemdlabs just order the female hormone panel. It's about $60. If you check the lab testing section someone usually puts up a discount code. You order print the papers and get blood drawn. Ezpz. Your doctor won't know anything about it. Same with labsmd.

Stick around and and you'll see which sources you can trust.
 
i havent had much luck finding a good source which is why i tried the doctor route. Seems like everyone wants references or something and everyone else is shady, sells bunk etc.

as far as doing your own bloods, do you go into a local clinic or you literally do it yourself? Im in sofla.

where are you looking man. lots of good shops on this board. also plenty of DR's in sofla.
if you are close to Boyton look up Dr katz.. he is a reg doc . cheap office visit and takes most insurance. you just need blood work showing you are under 300
 
miami. Last time i asked around on this board i didnt get very far, and after my last experience im afraid to go through a source that isnt totally legit.=\ im at 650 should i come off after a while and then do bloods right after? I would very very much rather go through insurance if at all possible, but i could consider self
dosing if theres no other way. I guess for now i can just use what i have till i get it figured out. I got 2 bottles so i could cruise 100mg for a bit and reduce the adex considersbly
 
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50mg test mon and thursday=100mg total
adex .5mg tues,fri,sun
dump the hcg unless you have a atrophy complex

and dont buy any of the other otc stuff they mark up 500% to get more money out of you......it's every anti-aging clinics biggest money maker....go buy it at a nutrition store or online at true nutrition for much less...


at $175 per 10ml vial of Test Cyp i'm pretty sure he is sending you to a compound pharm....tell him you want to buy it at Costco or CVS and use the GoodRx coupon and pay $50-60 instead of $175...
 
Your natty Test came in at 642 even after you tried sabotaging the results. I'm not sure TRT is the answer. Especially since your Free Test is at the upper range.

And your e2 at 41 is not really high since it doesn't appear to have been the sensitive estradiol test. You will crash your e2 if you take more than .5mg anastrozole per week. Then you might be in a world of shit.

Unless you have some serious high e2 symptoms. At your height and weight I'd guess you don't have lots of excess fat contributing to extra aromatization.
 
OP I wouldn't rush into TRT without exploring other causes of your symptoms. Look at some outside contributing factors like what type of work are you in? Is it shift work? Are you getting enough sleep ? How's your diet? How much caffeine do you consume? All of these things can effect your energy levels. Your adrenalals could be shot. At your age and being put on TRT with a natty Test level in the 600's I'm not sure is good . Keep in mind once you start and the longer your on it you may never be able to come off. Your natty levels may never recover to the level they are at right now. That means a shot once or twice a week for many years until you just don't care anymore. I'm 47 and got put on TRT when I was 41. My level was below 300 and I was miserable. It changed my life in a good way but how I wish I would have had your levels to start with. I would have went a different route.
 
You have abysmal vitamin D levels. Going on supps? You can take 5,000 IU/day and likely fix it, but actual sunlight is another option. This could be causing all kinds of low-level negative effects. Probably not the hypogonadism though, at least not directly.

Your natty levels are high enough that you might be able to get a boost to 1,000+ ng/dl just with an AI like arimidex, as you have now. You could try 1 mg/wk spread out over ED or EOD dosing and check bloodwork again in 2 wks to see how it does. E2 should go down a bit and T will go up... how much is the question. But if it works, you have a very cheap and easy TRT regimen that involves no pins and the only sides will be whatever arimidex does to you. It's well-tolerated for most.

If it doesn't work, or not well enough, you can also try aromasin, letro, and clomid. Lots of clinical studies showing these can have astounding effects -- 4x multipliers for some people and you need only 2x.

FSH is in shutdown mode. That's weird. If it were me, I'd have an endo do more testing but maybe you've already done that. It means you're probably infertile, and maybe you don't care about it but the combo of that FSH low level and the strange high E2 could indicate something out of whack, maybe in your pituitary or hypothalamus. Can't hurt to check.

At 5'11" and 170lb you don't sound like a fatty, but are you skinny-fat? :) Excess aromasin could explain the T:E2 imbalance issue. You could just have a slight genetic predisposition to it though. In any case an AI will directly attack that problem.

The only "natural test booster" that I recall having any proven potency is mushrooms, but you'd have to eat pounds a day to make a difference. And you might need to play with the types of mushrooms as well -- Chinese mushrooms definitely work, but unsure about meadow mushrooms we normally eat in the US. In any case it's a small effect, not huge. And it works by being an AI. If you wanted to try it I'd give two weeks of packing em in daily then get bloodwork to see the effects. And post results here for us to mock... I mean, learn from. :D In truth, using an actual pharm AI will be more reliable, powerful, and probably cheaper to boot. Can't hurt to throw lots of mushrooms into the diet though just for health reasons.
 
Hell I would kill for those natural levels lol. And 175 is not bat at all for an anti aging clinic. Most will start you at 100mg then raise from there.
 
Get Shredded!
50mg test mon and thursday=100mg total
adex .5mg tues,fri,sun
dump the hcg unless you have a atrophy complex

and dont buy any of the other otc stuff they mark up 500% to get more money out of you......it's every anti-aging clinics biggest money maker....go buy it at a nutrition store or online at true nutrition for much less...


at $175 per 10ml vial of Test Cyp i'm pretty sure he is sending you to a compound pharm....tell him you want to buy it at Costco or CVS and use the GoodRx coupon and pay $50-60 instead of $175...

Okay haven't taken the HCG, and balls never shrank on previous cycle.
yeah didn't do that just taking one life force multi/omegas every day
will they let me buy it on my own you think? i'll have to check.

Your natty Test came in at 642 even after you tried sabotaging the results. I'm not sure TRT is the answer. Especially since your Free Test is at the upper range.

And your e2 at 41 is not really high since it doesn't appear to have been the sensitive estradiol test. You will crash your e2 if you take more than .5mg anastrozole per week. Then you might be in a world of shit.

Unless you have some serious high e2 symptoms. At your height and weight I'd guess you don't have lots of excess fat contributing to extra aromatization.

the first week i followed their plan and then i went ahead and split the pills into .25mg and took two per week after that.

OP I wouldn't rush into TRT without exploring other causes of your symptoms. Look at some outside contributing factors like what type of work are you in? Is it shift work? Are you getting enough sleep ? How's your diet? How much caffeine do you consume? All of these things can effect your energy levels. Your adrenalals could be shot. At your age and being put on TRT with a natty Test level in the 600's I'm not sure is good . Keep in mind once you start and the longer your on it you may never be able to come off. Your natty levels may never recover to the level they are at right now. That means a shot once or twice a week for many years until you just don't care anymore. I'm 47 and got put on TRT when I was 41. My level was below 300 and I was miserable. It changed my life in a good way but how I wish I would have had your levels to start with. I would have went a different route.

Work is normal 8-4 m-f, sleeping about 7 hours on weekdays, diet is so-so, not terrible not great, i drink a cup of coffee in the morning and sometimes in the afternoon. All i know is when i was on 500mg of test a week I felt like I SHOULD feel. But I am exploring other options also...I'll probably give trt a few months and if that doesn't work out I'll try something else, maybe even an estro blocker only trt to get my e2 into the happy zone.

You have abysmal vitamin D levels. Going on supps? You can take 5,000 IU/day and likely fix it, but actual sunlight is another option. This could be causing all kinds of low-level negative effects. Probably not the hypogonadism though, at least not directly.

Your natty levels are high enough that you might be able to get a boost to 1,000+ ng/dl just with an AI like arimidex, as you have now. You could try 1 mg/wk spread out over ED or EOD dosing and check bloodwork again in 2 wks to see how it does. E2 should go down a bit and T will go up... how much is the question. But if it works, you have a very cheap and easy TRT regimen that involves no pins and the only sides will be whatever arimidex does to you. It's well-tolerated for most.

If it doesn't work, or not well enough, you can also try aromasin, letro, and clomid. Lots of clinical studies showing these can have astounding effects -- 4x multipliers for some people and you need only 2x.

FSH is in shutdown mode. That's weird. If it were me, I'd have an endo do more testing but maybe you've already done that. It means you're probably infertile, and maybe you don't care about it but the combo of that FSH low level and the strange high E2 could indicate something out of whack, maybe in your pituitary or hypothalamus. Can't hurt to check.

At 5'11" and 170lb you don't sound like a fatty, but are you skinny-fat? :) Excess aromasin could explain the T:E2 imbalance issue. You could just have a slight genetic predisposition to it though. In any case an AI will directly attack that problem.

The only "natural test booster" that I recall having any proven potency is mushrooms, but you'd have to eat pounds a day to make a difference. And you might need to play with the types of mushrooms as well -- Chinese mushrooms definitely work, but unsure about meadow mushrooms we normally eat in the US. In any case it's a small effect, not huge. And it works by being an AI. If you wanted to try it I'd give two weeks of packing em in daily then get bloodwork to see the effects. And post results here for us to mock... I mean, learn from. :D In truth, using an actual pharm AI will be more reliable, powerful, and probably cheaper to boot. Can't hurt to throw lots of mushrooms into the diet though just for health reasons.
i will definitely look into the arimidex only trt down the line as an option. definitely leaning towards that. i have also heard about good results with clomid for some but also some people seem to be very sensitive to it.
as far as fsh i guess i should see a doctor about that
i'm not skinny fat, i was in the marines for 10 years, and have been working in construction/trade jobs ever since. I'm strong but have some increased weight around my stomach these days.

Hell I would kill for those natural levels lol. And 175 is not bat at all for an anti aging clinic. Most will start you at 100mg then raise from there.

yeah but 175 a month! I think I'm gonna stay on the 100mg for a monthish and if im not feeling better, bump it to 200mg. a month after that if I'm not getting the results I want I'm gonna talk to the doc about coming off and trying the arimidex only trt

as for my current regimen. I went ahead and took 200mg the first week and then 100mg the next two weeks, split into two shots weekly. around the 2nd week i was feeling pretty dang good, more awake, and more libido, better erections but now into the 3rd week i am feeling like normal again, tired, cloudy, and low libido, although erections are good and still managing to get laid here and there so whatever. i wonder if the 200mg the first week is what made me feel better at first. in a few weeks if i'm not feeling more "awake" i'm gonna bump to 200mg and go from there. if i stay on i will probably just end up sourcing online or something.

sorry for the late reply!
 
just order real European type test like testoviron.
you will be pretty safe that its real if you get it from
drugs gear or domestic supply
sure it may cost about 8-10 bucks an amp when all said and done
but way cheaper than $175 a month and its real pharma grade and both those guys ship domestic
 
I would do amps but that's an entire cc and I'm only trying to do 100-200mg /week split into two or three pins
 
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