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    What types of gear do your bones and tendons feel the best on?

    I just finished a D-bol/Deca/Test/GH cycle, and it wasn't a good experience at all. I was very disappointed. Despite so many people raving about how great their joints feel on Deca, my shoulders, elbows, and knees felt terrible. I thought that the Aromasin was a contributing factor to the joint pain I was feeling, and perhaps it was, but even ten days after stopping the Aromasin completely, I still had some knee pain, and considerable elbow pain which I didn't have before the cycle began. And now that I've ended the D-bol and the GH merely four days ago,(and my last Deca & test Cyp pokes were 8 days ago) my bones feel good again already.

    So I was wondering what gear do you guys find is the most friendly to your skeletal parts and to your tendons? I'm especially curious if Anadrol might be any better than D-bol is in that respect, (or any other type of gear for that matter). Please feel free to share your thoughts and experiences. I know that everyone is different, so I don't believe there will be any right nor wrong answer here. Thanks in advance for your input. Oh BTW, would I be wrong to think that the joint pain was from the GH? I began the cycle with just 2.5 IU's daily, and after two weeks bumped it up to 3 IU's, and for the last week of the cycle, I was using 5 IU's daily.

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    Deca always treats me right as far as aches and discomfort. What dose were you running of the Deca?

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    I think the joint lubrication aspect of deca is overestimated. While it does exhibit some qualities, it hardly undoes years or wear and tear. I'd lean more towards the stress you placed on yourself lifting. We tend to lift heavier and more while on cycle due to the increased strength, whether it be actual or perceived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommygunz View Post
    I think the joint lubrication aspect of deca is overestimated. While it does exhibit some qualities, it hardly undoes years or wear and tear. I'd lean more towards the stress you placed on yourself lifting. We tend to lift heavier and more while on cycle due to the increased strength, whether it be actual or perceived.
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    GH may have been the cause for joint pain, it certainly can cause it.

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    How much Aromasin, how often, for how long?
    Is this your first time using it?
    Have you gotten bloodwork?

    I've crashed estradiol twice, with Aromasin (once pharma, once research
    Exemestane)... bloods taken both times showed E2 way under range, and it took ~10-12 days to come back up to ~22 (where many/most guys feel the best) and three weeks before I felt 100% again. Joints ached, teeth felt weird, tendinitis flared up bad, etc. Apparently I'm sensitive to Aromasin.

    As far as what I feel best on... I've thought about cruising ~100mg Deca along with my regular TRT. My cranky old knees feel significantly better with it.

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    Take out the gh and the cycle you did is what many consider to be the ultimate feel good cycle.

    It could be the aromasin not agreeing with you. I too had this feeling with arimidex a couple weeks ago and discontinued and much better.

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    GH was the cause.. you get used to it after being on for a while

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    Quote Originally Posted by bc123jm View Post
    GH was the cause.. you get used to it after being on for a while
    Yes, I move slower on GH than when I'm off or I could say I get used to it after a while hahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by HFO3 View Post
    Yes, I move slower on GH than when I'm off or I could say I get used to it after a while hahaha
    yes , I also lift lighter. not that I train heavy to start with, but def need several good warm up sets before moving into a work set

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    Where'd you get your deca? Maybe it wasn't any good. And how much were you taking.

    Deca and NPP both do wonders for me for joint relief. It's known for that. And while it's like that for most, I'm sure there are some that don't feel it the same way.

    I'm on some NPP now from a source in here. Did a review on it, I'm sure you can find it. The stuff is insane! The relief I have in my right shoulder is magical! I couldn't shoulder press a plate with my right arm when I stated a couple months ago. Not even for 1 rep. The pain was horrible, had been for years. This is on the Hammer Strength shoulder press machine. This morning I did 160lbs, one arm, for 12 reps. I feel no pain or discomfort. (And while that's a great thing...I'm sure masking the pain will catch up with me)

    Deca and NPP absolutely give joint relief. If it's good gear.

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    ​Aromasin itself is know to sometimes cause joint pain. Non e2 related. It's just a side effect of the compound itself. Somewhat rare but you may be an unlucky one.

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    E2 possibly..??? Just throwing it out there..?? For me personally when i drag it down too low., it seems to cause me joint pain., TGunz also brought up a very good point about "wear and tear" from heavy workouts over time. GH I can't speak on but the guys that mentioned it definitely know what they're talking about so that could also be a cause. You also mentioned your Ai which is very good to know sides of cuz the most popular couple Ai's have possible sides of joint pain. Deca should increase your body's natural production of Synovial fluid. Synovial fluid is natural joint "lube" that can decrease naturally over time and also can be hindered by certain compounds known for drying out joints..i.e. Winstrol.... Deca should definitely assist you with joint pain relief but not a miracle worker. I'll tell ya brother what works good for me is OTC Glucosamine with low dose Deca. It takes a little while of daily supplementing with Glucosamine but works really well after continued use. Hope you get it narrowed down and pinpointed bro., sore and painful joints can really affect your range of motion and overall performance while training.
    P.S. Cold weather possibly.??(depending on location).



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    Quote Originally Posted by bc123jm View Post
    GH was the cause.. you get used to it after being on for a while
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    Quote Originally Posted by TripleOvertime View Post
    Deca always treats me right as far as aches and discomfort. What dose were you running of the Deca?
    400mg per week.

    Quote Originally Posted by tommygunz View Post
    I think the joint lubrication aspect of deca is overestimated. While it does exhibit some qualities, it hardly undoes years or wear and tear. I'd lean more towards the stress you placed on yourself lifting. We tend to lift heavier and more while on cycle due to the increased strength, whether it be actual or perceived.
    You might be right, but the pain got pretty intense and was hindering my workouts by week four, and my strength gains didn't even kick-in that much.

    Quote Originally Posted by HFO3 View Post
    GH may have been the cause for joint pain, it certainly can cause it.
    Quote Originally Posted by justdan View Post
    How much Aromasin, how often, for how long?
    Is this your first time using it?
    Have you gotten bloodwork?

    I've crashed estradiol twice, with Aromasin (once pharma, once research
    Exemestane)... bloods taken both times showed E2 way under range, and it took ~10-12 days to come back up to ~22 (where many/most guys feel the best) and three weeks before I felt 100% again. Joints ached, teeth felt weird, tendinitis flared up bad, etc. Apparently I'm sensitive to Aromasin.

    As far as what I feel best on... I've thought about cruising ~100mg Deca along with my regular TRT. My cranky old knees feel significantly better with it.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheChosen1Speaks View Post
    Take out the gh and the cycle you did is what many consider to be the ultimate feel good cycle.

    It could be the aromasin not agreeing with you. I too had this feeling with arimidex a couple weeks ago and discontinued and much better.
    Quote Originally Posted by HFO3 View Post
    Yes, I move slower on GH than when I'm off or I could say I get used to it after a while hahaha
    Quote Originally Posted by bc123jm View Post
    yes , I also lift lighter. not that I train heavy to start with, but def need several good warm up sets before moving into a work set
    Well I'm left with two possible dilemmas here: If it was the Aromasin, (which BTW I started with 25mg daily since I'm gyno prone, and after a few weeks moved it down to 12.5mg EOD but still had joint pain) then I have to decide what I'm going to do to ward off gyno when/if I use the Trestolone and Superdrol that I just ordered. And if it's the GH that was causing the joint pain, then that's just plain counterproductive to gains, so why even use it? I may have to consider using the GH only between AAS cycles during the PCT in an attempt to keep as much of the gains as possible. Do you guys think that would work good?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheComeback View Post
    Where'd you get your deca? Maybe it wasn't any good. And how much were you taking.

    Deca and NPP both do wonders for me for joint relief. It's known for that. And while it's like that for most, I'm sure there are some that don't feel it the same way.

    I'm on some NPP now from a source in here. Did a review on it, I'm sure you can find it. The stuff is insane! The relief I have in my right shoulder is magical! I couldn't shoulder press a plate with my right arm when I stated a couple months ago. Not even for 1 rep. The pain was horrible, had been for years. This is on the Hammer Strength shoulder press machine. This morning I did 160lbs, one arm, for 12 reps. I feel no pain or discomfort. (And while that's a great thing...I'm sure masking the pain will catch up with me)

    Deca and NPP absolutely give joint relief. If it's good gear.
    Deca@400mg per week from DG. ZPHC labs

    Quote Originally Posted by jozifp103 View Post
    ​Aromasin itself is know to sometimes cause joint pain. Non e2 related. It's just a side effect of the compound itself. Somewhat rare but you may be an unlucky one.
    Quote Originally Posted by movingsteel 79 View Post
    E2 possibly..??? Just throwing it out there..?? For me personally when i drag it down too low., it seems to cause me joint pain., TGunz also brought up a very good point about "wear and tear" from heavy workouts over time. GH I can't speak on but the guys that mentioned it definitely know what they're talking about so that could also be a cause. You also mentioned your Ai which is very good to know sides of cuz the most popular couple Ai's have possible sides of joint pain. Deca should increase your body's natural production of Synovial fluid. Synovial fluid is natural joint "lube" that can decrease naturally over time and also can be hindered by certain compounds known for drying out joints..i.e. Winstrol.... Deca should definitely assist you with joint pain relief but not a miracle worker. I'll tell ya brother what works good for me is OTC Glucosamine with low dose Deca. It takes a little while of daily supplementing with Glucosamine but works really well after continued use. Hope you get it narrowed down and pinpointed bro., sore and painful joints can really affect your range of motion and overall performance while training.
    P.S. Cold weather possibly.??(depending on location).
    I used to take Glucosamine and MSM and it worked good when I was younger, but then when I hit my late 40's it didn't work so well for me anymore. I think I'll get some and add it to my current regimen, especially while I'm gear. Thank you.
    Last edited by Tall Deck; 01-11-2017 at 10:57 AM.

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