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    The benefits of using Proviron with Tren

    So, the discussion has came about many times over in regards to depression,aggression and/or anxiety,or other sides when on cycle/blast when utilizing Trenbolone, or at times other compounds!

    Let's discuses Tren and one compound that can help assist with side effects that can be unbearable for most,especially anxiety..So lets talk about this shall we?



    Please allow me to illustrate one of shrouded and seldom discussed Drugs in the whole anabolic circuit, with one of the most underrated/pronounced effects ever, that somehow has failed to be discussed upon the masses...

    "Proviron" Mesterolone


    Most of you that have ever took the breakfast of champions "Methandrostenolone", That's right, I'm talking about Dbol. What's the most apparent and conspicuous effects that takes place while taking Dbol? If you were about to say the "sense of well-being" than your correct. One of the most profound and desirable effects that we can have during a cycle..Now, how about after a cycle? Or for longer duration's? But we all know that many of us practice moderation with harsh orals,or I would hope,But, have no concerns with elevated toxicity here!

    One of the greatest characteristics about Proviron that has been shrouded and seldomly discussed is it's "Antidepressant" properties
    . With this being said, when it was first developed it was widely utilized in treatments for Bi-polar,OCD and Anxiety. As we know that depression is basically a chemical imbalance that comes about through the "Signaling" issues between receptors. Proviron improves the quality of the "channels" that the cells use to communicate and interact. Thus, a similar effect with Dbol where it drastically improves the sense of well being in users. Much like Antidepressants, SSRI (Selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitor, and/or,SNRI (Serotonin-nor-epinephrinere-uptake inhibitor)

    What I'm about to share is a double blind study that clearly shows undoubtedly astonishing results in the patients! An other great reason to consider this compound.
    Why proviron is underestimated, the world may never know


    Tren is the compound that's well known for having a love hate relationship with most users. Most will deem it a necessary evil. But, in fact it doesn't have to be classified as evil after all.
    http://www.puritysourcelabs.com/injectable/66-trenbolone-enanthate-200mgml-10mlvial-ep.html

    Allow me to intro some clinical studies that have been conducted with a compound most commonly known as Proviron-trade name (Mesterolone).This agent posses some amazing characteristics with Antidepressant properties, as well Anti-anxiety.
    It works by also metabolizing and being recognized through the endocrine as (other) a neurosteroid,effectively functioning as a so-called proneurosteroid (testosterone is also recognized as one).. These steroids synthesized in the brain (Proviron especially) and have effects on brain function,In addition to their actions on neuronal membrane receptors,improving the quality of the channels that cells use to communicate and interact.

    Proviron/or Masteron and Tren (Masteron can be utilized due to it's targeting similarities)
    Proviron(mesterolone) will exert inhibitory actions on neurotransmission,
    acting as potent positive allosteric modulator of the GABA receptor (This is crucial concerning Tren-Insomnia as healthly function levels ofGABA will produce a stable sleep state/environment for rest) and possess, in no particular order, antidepressant,stress-reducing, feeling warm/fuzzy/rewarding,pro-social, anti-aggressive(huge consider tren sides),pro-sexual,sedative/pro-sleep,cognitive-memory improvement..The list goes on!(http://www.puritysourcelabs.com/pctanti-estrogens/106-proviron-25-25mgtab-50-tabs-ep.html)

    (Where does this apply with Tren? It can aid all the way around with individuals how are sensitive or not.From the social aspect,overwhelming sense of anxiety,lack of sleep,basically everything stated above that may apply with the usage of tren and the onset of its unwanted side)

    In addition to this information, an individual can also utilized masteron (Drostanolonein) in conjunction with Proviron, running both concurrent may yield a great synergenic effect,each compound will compliment one an other. Also the -(http://www.puritysourcelabs.com/injectable/412-drostanolone-enanthate-200mgml-10mlvial-ep.html)

    Further more Proviron is a DHT derivative. DHT compounds assist with hardening of the physique, lack of water retention,increased sex drive..Hardening of the physique and lack of water retention go hand in hand. Proviron assists with this, The body recognizes proviron as a DHT,This causes a direct hardening affect on the muscle tissue (Like mast posses,but mast is much more stronger IMO) The increase in hardness comes from a reduction in free estrogen levels, because proviron has the ability to 'latch-on' to the estrogen binding enzymes,It competes so to speak for its position,it does this aggressively, thus decreasing water retention. Also the the lack of aromatization and the fact that the drug is prototypical androgen, causes a significant shift in the body’s estrogen/testosteroneratio.As proviron's atomic structure it is incapable of forming estrogen. It also has properties with AR's.. Increasing the AR expression, proviron/DHT uptake to further increase AR expression, repeating this process over and over ...
    This allows other AAS compounds to appear to be amplified with there effects,assisting the compounds - (What does this mean?)
    It can be a master key so to speak, having multiple functions - It binds aggressively to the AR's and SHBG, thus it can/may increase the activity of other STEROIDS in the system) - This is an added bonus!

    Learn more about Proviron here - http://www.puritysourcelabs.com/pctanti-estrogens/106-proviron-25-25mgtab-50-tabs-ep.html


    Functions concerning
    the neurotransmitter/receptor and how it works:
    Below is a image illustrating the neurotransmitter/receptor and how it functions, also I will include some real actual studies conducted with proven results expressing the benefits of this compound (proviron)
    Keep in mind that these doses may seem extreme,its been proven time and time again that such significant dosages are not needed to yield the effect. Merely a daily intake of 50-100 will suffice for almost anyone!



    Citation
    Database: PsycINFO
    [ Journal Article ]
    A comparison of the antidepressant effects of a synthetic androgen (mesterolone) and amitriptyline in depressed men.
    Vogel, William; Klaiber, Edward L.; Broverman, Donald M.
    Journal of Clinical Psychiatry, Vol 46(1), Jan 1985, 6-8.

    Abstract



    1. 26 depressed male outpatients were randomly assigned to 14 wks of treatment with either mesterolone or amitriptyline in a double-blind parallel treatment design. Ss completed the Hamilton Rating Scale for Depression and a symptom checklist each week. Findings reveal that the drugs were equally effective in reducing depressive symptoms. Mesterolone produced significantly fewer adverse side effects than amitriptyline and did not produce hypomania or tachycardia, recognized side effects of amitriptyline. (10 ref) (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2013 APA, all rights reserved)



    Methods Find Exp Clin Pharmacol. 1984 Jun;6(6):331-7.
    The effects of mesterolone, a male sex hormone in depressed patients (a double blind controlled study).
    Itil TM, Michael ST, Shapiro DM, Itil KZ.
    Abstract
    Based on computer EEG (CEEG) profiles, in high doses, antidepressant properties of mesterolone, a synthetic androgen, were predicted. In a double-blind placebo controlled study, the clinical effects of 300-450 mg daily mesterolone were investigated in 52 relatively young (age range 26-53 years, mean 42.7 years) male depressed outpatients. During 6 weeks of mesterolone treatment, there was a significant improvement of depressive symptomatology. However, since an improvement was also established during the placebo treatment, no statistically appreciable difference in the therapeutic effects of mesterolone was established compared to placebo. Mesterolone treatment significantly decreased both plasma testosterone and protein bound testosterone levels. Patients with high testosterone levels prior to treatment seem to have had more benefit from mesterolone treatment than patients with low testosterone levels. The degree of improvement weakly correlated to the decrease of testosterone levels during mesterolone treatment.




    Information confirming no HTPA shutdown/suppression during PCT

    These are some research articles that may justify the use of low/moderate dose Proviron during PCT:

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    AAKVAAG, A., and S. B. STROMME. "The effect of mesterolone administration to normal men on the pituitary-testicular function."Acta endocrinologica 77.2 (1974): 380-386.

    ABSTRACT
    Mesterolone (1α-methyl-5α-dihydrotestosterone) has been given to 10 normal men, age 24–27 years, and the effect on the plasma levels of ICSH, FSH and testosterone has been studied.No effect on the plasma levels of ICSH and FSH could be detected. After 4 weeks on 75 mg mesterolone per day a significant (P < 0.01) drop in the mean value for plasma testosterone level was observed, 5.2 to 4.0 ng/ml. After another 4 weeks on 150 mg mesterolone per day a further decrease to 3.5 ng/ml was found.During mesterolone administration the protein binding of testosterone in plasma was significantly reduced, and it appeared that the level of free (non-protein bound) testosterone in diluted plasma remained unchanged, 0.37 and 0.41 ng/ml, before and after mesterolone administration respectively.The results suggest that mesterolone given in doses of 75 and 150 mg/day to normal men does not suppress the pituitary ICSH production or the testicular testosterone production

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    GORDON, R.D., THOMAS, M.J., POYNTING, J.M. and STOCKS, A.E. (1975), Effect of Mesterolone on Plasma L.H., F.S.H. and Testosterone. Andrologia, 7: 287–296. doi: 10.1111/j.1439-0272.1975.tb00942.x


    Summary

    It has been claimed that orally administered mesterolone, unlike l7a-methyl testo- sterone, does not suppress endogenous gonadotrophins and testesterone. To investi- gate this, both drugs were administered, in turn, to four normal men and plasma te- stosterone, L.H. and F.S.H. were measured serially. Mesterolone administration was associated in all four subjects with significant and similar falls in plasma testosterone, but significant suppression of gonadotrophins took place in only two of them. Any changes which occured were apparent by the end of the first week of therapy. Administration of half the dose of 17a-methyl testosterone to the same four subjects caused significant suppression of testosterone in each and suppression of one or both gonadotrophins in each.
    In longer term studies in patients (5-30 months) involving serial measurements at intervals of one to two months, there was evidence of significant suppression of L.H. and F.S.H. by 17a-methyl testosterone, but not by mesterolone, which was clinically a less effective androgen.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    WANG, C., BURGER, H.G., de KRETSER, D.M., DULMANIS, A., HUDSON, B., KEOGH, E.J. and SUTHERS, M.B. (1974), Effect of Mesterolone on Serum FSH, LH and Plasma Testosterone in Normal Men. Andrologia, 6: 111–117. doi: 10.1111/j.1439-0272.1974.tb01604.x


    Summary

    To determine whether the claim that mesterolone, an orally active androgen, does not cause suppression of gonadotrophin secretion, two groups of five normal men were treated with 100 and 200 mg. daily respectively for 7 days. Serial measurements of serum FSH, LH and plasma testosterone were made on samples taken at 15 minute intervals over 2 hr both before and during treatment. Modest falls in FSH, LH and testosterone levels were observed in both groups, the percentage suppression being 21% and 18% for FSH, 19% and 15% for LH and 9% and 8% for testosterone at the lower and higher dosage levels respectively.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    200mg is a far greater dose than I would deploy during PCT (50mgs is ideal). From these studies and other articles we see have read, it's clear that there is almost minimal/no influence on the HTPA, any effect would be absolute minimal and negated by other appropriate compounds used during that period (HCG, Aromasin, Nolvadex and HGH)...



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    Thanks for the information.

    I have some Proviron that I was contemplating using during PCT to help with libido...because of all the mix of information and feedback I read and received, I decided not to use it.

    No need to use it now as I am going on 3 months off cycle come the 15Nov. It took me a good two months for my system to come back and have proper sex drive and good erections. But everyone knows PCT sucks in general.

    I will save it for my next tren cycle and see how that plays out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vision View Post
    No, don't put a spin in it.. Dbol is horrid for pct
    That's what I thought, are they saying proviron is good for pct because it doesn't suppress test production? I know it's good for its anti estrogen effect
    Quote Originally Posted by Vision View Post
    So, the discussion has came about many times over in regards to depression,aggression and/or anxiety,or other sides when on cycle/blast when utilizing Trenbolone, or at times other compounds!

    Let's discuses Tren and one compound that can help assist with side effects that can be unbearable for most,especially anxiety..So lets talk about this shall we?



    Please allow me to illustrate one of shrouded and seldom discussed Drugs in the whole anabolic circuit, with one of the most underrated/pronounced effects ever, that somehow has failed to be discussed upon the masses...

    "Proviron" Mesterolone


    Most of you that have ever took the breakfast of champions "Methandrostenolone", That's right, I'm talking about Dbol. What's the most apparent and conspicuous effects that takes place while taking Dbol? If you were about to say the "sense of well-being" than your correct. One of the most profound and desirable effects that we can have during a cycle..Now, how about after a cycle? Or for longer duration's? But we all know that many of us practice moderation with harsh orals,or I would hope,But, have no concerns with elevated toxicity here!

    One of the greatest characteristics about Proviron that has been shrouded and seldomly discussed is it's "Antidepressant" properties
    . With this being said, when it was first developed it was widely utilized in treatments for Bi-polar,OCD and Anxiety. As we know that depression is basically a chemical imbalance that comes about through the "Signaling" issues between receptors. Proviron improves the quality of the "channels" that the cells use to communicate and interact. Thus, a similar effect with Dbol where it drastically improves the sense of well being in users. Much like Antidepressants, SSRI (Selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitor, and/or,SNRI (Serotonin-nor-epinephrinere-uptake inhibitor)

    What I'm about to share is a double blind study that clearly shows undoubtedly astonishing results in the patients! An other great reason to consider this compound.
    Why proviron is underestimated, the world may never know


    Tren is the compound that's well known for having a love hate relationship with most users. Most will deem it a necessary evil. But, in fact it doesn't have to be classified as evil after all.
    http://www.puritysourcelabs.com/inje...mlvial-ep.html

    Allow me to intro some clinical studies that have been conducted with a compound most commonly known as Proviron-trade name (Mesterolone).This agent posses some amazing characteristics with Antidepressant properties, as well Anti-anxiety.
    It works by also metabolizing and being recognized through the endocrine as (other) a neurosteroid,effectively functioning as a so-called proneurosteroid (testosterone is also recognized as one).. These steroids synthesized in the brain (Proviron especially) and have effects on brain function,In addition to their actions on neuronal membrane receptors,improving the quality of the channels that cells use to communicate and interact.

    Proviron/or Masteron and Tren (Masteron can be utilized due to it's targeting similarities)
    Proviron(mesterolone) will exert inhibitory actions on neurotransmission,
    acting as potent positive allosteric modulator of the GABA receptor (This is crucial concerning Tren-Insomnia as healthly function levels ofGABA will produce a stable sleep state/environment for rest) and possess, in no particular order, antidepressant,stress-reducing, feeling warm/fuzzy/rewarding,pro-social, anti-aggressive(huge consider tren sides),pro-sexual,sedative/pro-sleep,cognitive-memory improvement..The list goes on!(http://www.puritysourcelabs.com/pcta...0-tabs-ep.html)

    (Where does this apply with Tren? It can aid all the way around with individuals how are sensitive or not.From the social aspect,overwhelming sense of anxiety,lack of sleep,basically everything stated above that may apply with the usage of tren and the onset of its unwanted side)

    In addition to this information, an individual can also utilized masteron (Drostanolonein) in conjunction with Proviron, running both concurrent may yield a great synergenic effect,each compound will compliment one an other. Also the -(http://www.puritysourcelabs.com/inje...mlvial-ep.html)

    Further more Proviron is a DHT derivative. DHT compounds assist with hardening of the physique, lack of water retention,increased sex drive..Hardening of the physique and lack of water retention go hand in hand. Proviron assists with this, The body recognizes proviron as a DHT,This causes a direct hardening affect on the muscle tissue (Like mast posses,but mast is much more stronger IMO) The increase in hardness comes from a reduction in free estrogen levels, because proviron has the ability to 'latch-on' to the estrogen binding enzymes,It competes so to speak for its position,it does this aggressively, thus decreasing water retention. Also the the lack of aromatization and the fact that the drug is prototypical androgen, causes a significant shift in the body’s estrogen/testosteroneratio.As proviron's atomic structure it is incapable of forming estrogen. It also has properties with AR's.. Increasing the AR expression, proviron/DHT uptake to further increase AR expression, repeating this process over and over ...
    This allows other AAS compounds to appear to be amplified with there effects,assisting the compounds - (What does this mean?)
    It can be a master key so to speak, having multiple functions - It binds aggressively to the AR's and SHBG, thus it can/may increase the activity of other STEROIDS in the system) - This is an added bonus!

    Learn more about Proviron here - http://www.puritysourcelabs.com/pcta...0-tabs-ep.html


    Functions concerning
    the neurotransmitter/receptor and how it works:
    Below is a image illustrating the neurotransmitter/receptor and how it functions, also I will include some real actual studies conducted with proven results expressing the benefits of this compound (proviron)
    Keep in mind that these doses may seem extreme,its been proven time and time again that such significant dosages are not needed to yield the effect. Merely a daily intake of 50-100 will suffice for almost anyone!



    Citation
    Database: PsycINFO
    [ Journal Article ]
    A comparison of the antidepressant effects of a synthetic androgen (mesterolone) and amitriptyline in depressed men.
    Vogel, William; Klaiber, Edward L.; Broverman, Donald M.
    Journal of Clinical Psychiatry, Vol 46(1), Jan 1985, 6-8.

    Abstract



    1. 26 depressed male outpatients were randomly assigned to 14 wks of treatment with either mesterolone or amitriptyline in a double-blind parallel treatment design. Ss completed the Hamilton Rating Scale for Depression and a symptom checklist each week. Findings reveal that the drugs were equally effective in reducing depressive symptoms. Mesterolone produced significantly fewer adverse side effects than amitriptyline and did not produce hypomania or tachycardia, recognized side effects of amitriptyline. (10 ref) (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2013 APA, all rights reserved)



    Methods Find Exp Clin Pharmacol. 1984 Jun;6(6):331-7.
    The effects of mesterolone, a male sex hormone in depressed patients (a double blind controlled study).
    Itil TM, Michael ST, Shapiro DM, Itil KZ.
    Abstract
    Based on computer EEG (CEEG) profiles, in high doses, antidepressant properties of mesterolone, a synthetic androgen, were predicted. In a double-blind placebo controlled study, the clinical effects of 300-450 mg daily mesterolone were investigated in 52 relatively young (age range 26-53 years, mean 42.7 years) male depressed outpatients. During 6 weeks of mesterolone treatment, there was a significant improvement of depressive symptomatology. However, since an improvement was also established during the placebo treatment, no statistically appreciable difference in the therapeutic effects of mesterolone was established compared to placebo. Mesterolone treatment significantly decreased both plasma testosterone and protein bound testosterone levels. Patients with high testosterone levels prior to treatment seem to have had more benefit from mesterolone treatment than patients with low testosterone levels. The degree of improvement weakly correlated to the decrease of testosterone levels during mesterolone treatment.




    Information confirming no HTPA shutdown/suppression during PCT

    These are some research articles that may justify the use of low/moderate dose Proviron during PCT:

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    AAKVAAG, A., and S. B. STROMME. "The effect of mesterolone administration to normal men on the pituitary-testicular function."Acta endocrinologica 77.2 (1974): 380-386.

    ABSTRACT
    Mesterolone (1α-methyl-5α-dihydrotestosterone) has been given to 10 normal men, age 24–27 years, and the effect on the plasma levels of ICSH, FSH and testosterone has been studied.No effect on the plasma levels of ICSH and FSH could be detected. After 4 weeks on 75 mg mesterolone per day a significant (P < 0.01) drop in the mean value for plasma testosterone level was observed, 5.2 to 4.0 ng/ml. After another 4 weeks on 150 mg mesterolone per day a further decrease to 3.5 ng/ml was found.During mesterolone administration the protein binding of testosterone in plasma was significantly reduced, and it appeared that the level of free (non-protein bound) testosterone in diluted plasma remained unchanged, 0.37 and 0.41 ng/ml, before and after mesterolone administration respectively.The results suggest that mesterolone given in doses of 75 and 150 mg/day to normal men does not suppress the pituitary ICSH production or the testicular testosterone production

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    GORDON, R.D., THOMAS, M.J., POYNTING, J.M. and STOCKS, A.E. (1975), Effect of Mesterolone on Plasma L.H., F.S.H. and Testosterone. Andrologia, 7: 287–296. doi: 10.1111/j.1439-0272.1975.tb00942.x


    Summary

    It has been claimed that orally administered mesterolone, unlike l7a-methyl testo- sterone, does not suppress endogenous gonadotrophins and testesterone. To investi- gate this, both drugs were administered, in turn, to four normal men and plasma te- stosterone, L.H. and F.S.H. were measured serially. Mesterolone administration was associated in all four subjects with significant and similar falls in plasma testosterone, but significant suppression of gonadotrophins took place in only two of them. Any changes which occured were apparent by the end of the first week of therapy. Administration of half the dose of 17a-methyl testosterone to the same four subjects caused significant suppression of testosterone in each and suppression of one or both gonadotrophins in each.
    In longer term studies in patients (5-30 months) involving serial measurements at intervals of one to two months, there was evidence of significant suppression of L.H. and F.S.H. by 17a-methyl testosterone, but not by mesterolone, which was clinically a less effective androgen.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    WANG, C., BURGER, H.G., de KRETSER, D.M., DULMANIS, A., HUDSON, B., KEOGH, E.J. and SUTHERS, M.B. (1974), Effect of Mesterolone on Serum FSH, LH and Plasma Testosterone in Normal Men. Andrologia, 6: 111–117. doi: 10.1111/j.1439-0272.1974.tb01604.x


    Summary

    To determine whether the claim that mesterolone, an orally active androgen, does not cause suppression of gonadotrophin secretion, two groups of five normal men were treated with 100 and 200 mg. daily respectively for 7 days. Serial measurements of serum FSH, LH and plasma testosterone were made on samples taken at 15 minute intervals over 2 hr both before and during treatment. Modest falls in FSH, LH and testosterone levels were observed in both groups, the percentage suppression being 21% and 18% for FSH, 19% and 15% for LH and 9% and 8% for testosterone at the lower and higher dosage levels respectively.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    200mg is a far greater dose than I would deploy during PCT (50mgs is ideal). From these studies and other articles we see have read, it's clear that there is almost minimal/no influence on the HTPA, any effect would be absolute minimal and negated by other appropriate compounds used during that period (HCG, Aromasin, Nolvadex and HGH)...



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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleAddiction View Post
    I love Proviron...or Vitamin P
    Vitamin = P

    Quote Originally Posted by Augustine5I View Post
    Thanks for the information.

    I have some Proviron that I was contemplating using during PCT to help with libido...because of all the mix of information and feedback I read and received, I decided not to use it.

    No need to use it now as I am going on 3 months off cycle come the 15Nov. It took me a good two months for my system to come back and have proper sex drive and good erections. But everyone knows PCT sucks in general.

    I will save it for my next tren cycle and see how that plays out.
    Proviron in a PCT is great, and can be ran many many many weeks later.. The ability to assist with libido is most desired, but most don't know about its ability to aggressively influencing bound test by delivering it to the blood as free test..

    I suggest adding it, and deff give us feed back about it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dante$ View Post
    That's what I thought, are they saying proviron is good for pct because it doesn't suppress test production? I know it's good for its anti estrogen effect



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    Yes sir that is exactly what Im saying, it will not effect the HTPA function , in fact I have seen a study that suggests it can influence production of sperm in men, but there is more solid evidence that it will not effect HTPA and shut down!

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    The more i read about proviron and materson I'm going to give it a try on my next tren run. My plans for my next blast is to run your sust 500 at 1000 a week. Your anadrol at 50mg every day for 4 weeks. At week 14 drop down to 500mg sust a week. Then run masterson from week 14 o 20 along with tren A from week 14 to 20. And proviron from week 14 right on to the end and run it while on cruise. Also running your hcg the entire time at 500iu daily. So looks like next order will be for masterson, provi, and hgh just because it looks so damn dreamy lolz. So goals are bulk up then lean out at the end.

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    Proviron would be better than Aromasin during a test, tren, Dbol cycle?!

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    Negative....never use it as the primary anti estrogen inhibitor...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vision View Post
    Negative....never use it as the primary anti estrogen inhibitor...
    Okay, keep it in the PCT then!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dx3142 View Post
    Okay, keep it in the PCT then!?

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    You can run it concurrently with anything and for long durations, it has amazing properties for all sorts of things but do not rely on it solely for an anti estrogen or to hinder estrogen-related effects by itself, just because it may possess some abilities to hinder estrogen in some individuals that does not mean that is adequate for the job for everyone because in fact its not a very wise choice when it pertains to combating estrogen-related effects

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