How old were you when you needed TRT?

NO, problems SONNY. LOVE YOUR KIDS, LOVE YOUR LIFE, AND LISTEN!! I'm sure your a GREAT KID!!

Vicious 13 said:

I don't know I respected my parents for being honest w me and not sheltering me from reality sorry about the dirty thing It was a typo or auto correct

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I'll just let your passive aggressive comment slide lucky the giants are working the dodgers pars guy

I was 42, probably cause I didnt run pcts??

I started TRT at 55 years old on a fluke. I had a urology appointment and this doctor looked over my testosterone levels which over 1,500ng/dl and he crazy! "You're taking steroids"! "Am I right"? I said, "Yeah".
Then he proceeded to tell me about "sharing needles in the locker room with my buddies". I wanted to laugh so hard, but I went to coughing instead. He told me that if I'd agreed to stop the steroid usage, he'll put me on TRT for life. Starting dose was 200mg. which made me feel like hell. Another doctor prescribed 300mg. which made me feel OK, yet, this wasn't enough. I went mad with $2,000 bucks online.
Now I have enough for five years. The TRT doctors don't bother to monitor my test levels. Maybe because I do my injections at home. I supplement the TRT dose with 900-1000mg/ml of Super Test.
That way I feel like "Tony the Tiger"! lol

heavyiron said:

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Age and steroid abuse.

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Yep, same here ? This is interesting that my Prolactin is also flagged low. Wonder if gear can do that as well by the same mechanism ?

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Don't know the cause

I was 51 when I started, been on for a year (52 now), first 8 months I messed around with compounded creams, which did nothing. Doc switch to Test C inj. 100mg p/wk, NOW I can feel that!....also had to take .5mg of Arimidex Day of inj. to help fight the Test to E conversion...

I first started to notice the symptoms of low Test when I was about 45, family doctor new what was wrong he just wouldn't treat me for low Test,,,,, seems that there is no problem treating women for hormone problems, we don't treat men - live with it!.....had to go to an Anti-aging clinic, got first class care, but had to Pay $$$, not covered under medical Ins.

I was 36. The cause probably age and not coming back from heavy cycling at this age. Did proper PCT BUT NEVER CAME IN ABOVE 300 TOTAL TEST. probably could of tried another more aggressive PCT but said f@#k it and got a big blood panel done to make sure everything else was ok and was so jumped on TRT for the rest of my life.

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no prior gear use. started taking statins 3yrs ago. started doing research as my drive, libido, motivation, started to tank. tested 2yrs ago, total test was 350, still in range, doc sent me on my way. quit statins in february on my own, retested at 258. doc agreed to start TRT with andro gel first. 2mos later, retested at 556, but still felt like crap. july, switched to test c @100mgs/week, split in two shots. feel much better, retest in two more weeks.

redhawk01 said:

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no prior gear use. started taking statins 3yrs ago. started doing research as my drive, libido, motivation, started to tank. tested 2yrs ago, total test was 350, still in range, doc sent me on my way. quit statins in february on my own, retested at 258. doc agreed to start TRT with andro gel first. 2mos later, retested at 556, but still felt like crap. july, switched to test c @100mgs/week, split in two shots. feel much better, retest in two more weeks.

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Right on Red Hawk. IMHO nobody feels good under 700 total T ? Can I ask why you stopped Statins on your own, just curious is all ? Watch your bloods for the heart thing. Good luck .

Is this a common deal, getting brushed off by docs since our low T is "in range"? I wonder how many of us fall back on anti-depressants, alcohol, or other drugs and all their risks and shortcomings when we really just need some juice.

chocolatemalt said:

Is this a common deal, getting brushed off by docs since our low T is "in range"? I wonder how many of us fall back on anti-depressants, alcohol, or other drugs and all their risks and shortcomings when we really just need some juice.

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You get a second opinion. My doc wanted to put me on and my levels were in the 400s lol..

AMA rider said:

Right on Red Hawk. IMHO nobody feels good under 700 total T ? Can I ask why you stopped Statins on your own, just curious is all ? Watch your bloods for the heart thing. Good luck .

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I just did research on the sides of taking statins. Low T happened to be one them. We need cholesterol to make T. Started to eat cleaner, and started to workout again. Cholesterol was checked, and it barely went back up. recheck in 2 more months. So hopefully my change in diet works. I do feel much better, and I am again chasing my wife around. Lol. It was getting to the point of my wife asking why I didn't have any more interest in anything. Then trying to convince her what the real issue was. "well get off that s*#t and see the doc".

chocolatemalt said:

Is this a common deal, getting brushed off by docs since our low T is "in range"? I wonder how many of us fall back on anti-depressants, alcohol, or other drugs and all their risks and shortcomings when we really just need some juice.

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Seems to be, from most of the boards I'm on and follow others in the same situation. Docs either start you too early or wait until your way below range. Yeah, I might in range at 300, but for who, an eighty year old man?

I'm 44 and still have natural levels at 900!!! and 100-100+++ Free! The problem is my E2 keeps creeping up! AND When I was younger I was much higher than 900... I am going to start cycling really soon to be optimal for me!!!

When I was bloated and fat I was at 700ng/dl total and 100 free. Completely Erectile Dysfunction... No Bueno...

ESTEBEVERDE said:

I'm 44 and still have natural levels at 900!!! and 100-100+++ Free! The problem is my E2 keeps creeping up! AND When I was younger I was much higher than 900... I am going to start cycling really soon to be optimal for me!!!

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Dick !!!!!!! Negged for being an over achiever. Lol congrads must be nice

ESTEBEVERDE said:

I'm 44 and still have natural levels at 900!!! and 100-100+++ Free! The problem is my E2 keeps creeping up! AND When I was younger I was much higher than 900... I am going to start cycling really soon to be optimal for me!!!

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Not going to be optimal if you start cycling... why mess with a good thing? There's always the possibility your natural production of testosterone won't return to what it was before.

RAINier said:

Not going to be optimal if you start cycling... why mess with a good thing? There's always the possibility your natural production of testosterone won't return to what it was before.

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I really wish it were. I've been trying for a year and I eat like a king with huge amounts of healthy fat from organic grass feed animals. Decent Sun shine. Low stress. and a few goodies such as DAA etc. etc. etc. I can get it up a bit with an aromatase inhibiter but I can no longer get into my personal normal. I'm going to double down and give it a few more months but I am ready to go January 1! I just don't feel the same and I can't keep the fat off and the recoveries up.

But I'm totally open to any and all suggestions that make scientific sense! I absolutely agree endogenous is supreme.

Good for you.

ESTEBEVERDE said:

I'm 44 and still have natural levels at 900!!! and 100-100+++ Free! The problem is my E2 keeps creeping up! AND When I was younger I was much higher than 900... I am going to start cycling really soon to be optimal for me!!!

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You are still young and you're wanting to start a cycle? You've got to do some serious rethinking pal. I never thought about checking testosterone levels until I turned 55 years old and it was 223. You have a decade and more before you reach that age. Start using steroids now, say goodbye to that 900!

Qwai Chang said:

You are still young and you're wanting to start a cycle? You've got to do some serious rethinking pal. I never thought about checking testosterone levels until I turned 55 years old and it was 223. You have a decade and more before you reach that age. Start using steroids now, say goodbye to that 900!

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Most likely.... but I was in the 1100's as a twenty something year old and I can't keep my self in the same physical condition any longer even with a top notch diet and vigorous exercise... in fact recovers are painful and are now taking 2-3 days... Not good.... I am kinda fucked really... also erections are a huge problem or rather the lack of solid erections are... I'm doing all I know how but it would seem inevitable... Any suggestions????

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Qwai Chang said:

You are still young and you're wanting to start a cycle? You've got to do some serious rethinking pal. I never thought about checking testosterone levels until I turned 55 years old and it was 223. You have a decade and more before you reach that age. Start using steroids now, say goodbye to that 900!

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And thank you so very very much for the still young comment! That shit feels AMAZING!!! lol

Qwai Chang said:

You are still young and you're wanting to start a cycle? You've got to do some serious rethinking pal. I never thought about checking testosterone levels until I turned 55 years old and it was 223. You have a decade and more before you reach that age. Start using steroids now, say goodbye to that 900!

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My thinking exactly. He wants to screw up his youthful testosterone oozings by starting before his mid-50's? What a loser! He needs to focus on diet and training.

Too hard

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Most likely.... but I was in the 1100's as a twenty something year old and I can't keep my self in the same physical condition any longer even with a top notch diet and vigorous exercise... in fact recovers are painful and are now taking 2-3 days... Not good.... I am kinda fucked really... also erections are a huge problem or rather the lack of solid erections are... I'm doing all I know how but it would seem inevitable... Any suggestions????

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And thank you so very very much for the still young comment! That shit feels AMAZING!!! lol

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I'll bet your ligaments, tendons, muscles, and your bones are aching about now because you are training too damn hard. Cut your workout to 1 hour and 15 minutes period!
I train 6 days a week at that rate and no more than 8-10 exercises. Your workouts are effecting your energy level so much that now it's hard to maintain an erection and you're all flaccid.
Get some viagra. Take a week off. Do body weight exercises at home. Sit in a Lotus position and meditate. Get your girl to massage you and then you massage her. Practice the "Kama Sutra" with your girlfriend and say goodbye "Mr. Limp Dick!" lol

What I do is to plan when I'm going to have sex with my girlfriend in advance. I can't workout the day before sex because it affects my energy level and displaces the chi in my groin area.
I take a 1,000mg. shot of Test E 5 days prior to fuckday. I call it that because it's usually about 4 to 5 hours in bed. I also take a 100mg. tablet of viagra for backup.
I like it when she says, "Have you had your shot today or how much steroids do you have left? or I don't what you to run out" She is crazy about sex when that "juice" is flowing in me. LOL

You've got quite some time before you become a senior citizen, make good use of it.

ESTEBEVERDE said:

I'm 44 and still have natural levels at 900!!! and 100-100+++ Free! The problem is my E2 keeps creeping up! AND When I was younger I was much higher than 900... I am going to start cycling really soon to be optimal for me!!!

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Crap!!! @ 44 those are your test levels? I started @ 40y/o test was 249. classic symptoms, doc started antidepressants first for the fatigue, apathy, lack of interest in anything I found enjoyable in the past... I knew it was low test levels, many cycles, significant stressors @ the time, but let the doc drive the discussion for the first few visits then brought up the possibility of low testosterone and having it checked.. After that the door was open. He was like "oh, you do have low testosterone levels, hmmm what would you like to do?" Granted @ 900 you are saying you are symptomatic, have you had any additional lab testing, you mentioned elevated E2, anything else? How overweight are you? Losing weight will help with aromitase. and help control E2 levels... Do you get adequate sleep, have insomnia, or sleep disturbances(snoring, apnea)..all can contribute to lower test levels and lead to ED symptoms... Is you only complaint your ED issues or are you experiencing other symptoms as well?

If you start AAS now then you will have a whole lot more to consider... a well thought out and planed PCT is a whole lot more important for a 44 year old.. Then TRT has its own set of issues.. test injections or gels, hcg inj, AI's, frequent lab work....and a full recovery to your pre-cycle levels of 900.... not very likely... once you start you can't go back, and you are 44 after all so a drop in levels is normal, Its not like it went in the toilet and down to 100-200 or something..

Controlling E2 seems to be your issue if ED is your only concern.. What did you try for E2 control, AI's, one or several? Have you tried anything like DIM, I3C? .. Is your "kings" diet contributing to elevated cholesterol levels?... Cardio cardio, maybe Hgh, drop your BF down,

If you haven't yet get yourself a PDE5 inhibitor... try a few out see which ones work for ya.. Consider adding a low dose alpha-andranergic agonist like Doxazosin if those don't work to well on their own.

I wanted TRT because I was and will continue AAS and the thought of having a Dr. on board writing my prescriptions, ordering lab work made it alot easier... Then again he doesn't know much about what he is doing, but that's where being proactive with your health/wellness and having as much information as you can comes in....

I was 38 when I got my first test shot. Found out I had low test 2 years before that and it took all that time to find someone willing to treat me. Looking back, I think my test was low way before I got the confirmation.

What caused it? Not sure, maybe my many years of drinking?

NoBark said:

I was 38 when I got my first test shot. Found out I had low test 2 years before that and it took all that time to find someone willing to treat me. Looking back, I think my test was low way before I got the confirmation.

What caused it? Not sure, maybe my many years of drinking?

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A very distinct possibility, nobark.

http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh25-4/282-287.htm

GSRacer said:

A very distinct possibility, nobark.

http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh25-4/282-287.htm

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Nice read! My takeaway from this study is that we all should supplement heavily -- turn the blood into a turbid maelstrom of added testosterone, hcg, and alcohol. Everyone wins!

alcohol and drug abuse in general I would think....

GSRacer said:

A very distinct possibility, nobark.

http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh25-4/282-287.htm

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That is great... alcohol-induced hypogonadism. [h=3][/h]

Twenty-6. My doc thinks because of what I did in the military. My levels are around low 200's.