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IFBB Pro First Show

malfeasance said:
Did he end up in 212?
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Yeah he made weight, beat half the guys in his first pro show, think 8th out of 16 in his class. He's probably gonna move to open, might do one more 212. He was 260, too much weight cutting. He's 240 now and trying to stay leaner and lighter.
 
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GarlicChicken said:
Good info though. People should know to use something like think with caution, but people are retarded. Thank you for posting that up
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I am going to be more conservative. I did a trial run and stated flattening out. Firs things first: You have to be in shape diuretics or anything else will not fix that. I am close to 5% and 2 weeks out.

I am just going to keep diet normal and increase carbs a little bit 3 days out (ad res last 2 days). I am going to run spiro 25 day one, 50 day 2 and then 75 Thursday and Friday. Thiazide ill be 25 Wednesday, 50 Thursday and 75 Friday. Of course this is all subject to how look. Water intake ill be high/normal maybe cut Friday night. Sodium will be reduced a little bit.
 
REHH said:
Yeah he made weight, beat half the guys in his first pro show, think 8th out of 16 in his class. He's probably gonna move to open, might do one more 212. He was 260, too much weight cutting. He's 240 now and trying to stay leaner and lighter.
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What did his last week look like? Pros are using A drol to stay full but of course lots of diuretics. If the are flat they use plasma expanders. Honestly, it gets a little too crazed for me. I also see a lot of guys.....and these are very high level, screw up their last week.

Never try and make weight, compete where you are at your best. I am 212 right now at 5% bodyfat (5 foot 9). Trying to drop below 198 to make LH would probably backfire....then again I could come in at 198, who knows. It is not like I am fighting in the UFC.
 
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REHH said:
Yeah he has a lot of potential but he's starting late in the game and doesn't have the funding to run the gear that most pros use. You shoulda seen his eyes bug out when I showed him your cycle layout....lol. I don't know if I'll keep this updated here but if not I'll be in touch.
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There are ways around this (except for GH) With the resources from this forum and a talented chef he could get what he needs. If he beating half the pros on what is a very small amount hecould be top 10 Olympia on a big boy cycle. Of course w are talking 5 plus grams a week. Black Tops and the blues from Ace are cheap. Uncle Z/OnTopYa was very generous in helping me to Genos and I am a little nobody.

You have to be willing to hustle.
 
Procard said:
What did his last week look like? Pros are using A drol to stay full but of course lots of diuretics. If the are flat they use plasma expanders. Honestly, it gets a little too crazed for me. I also see a lot of guys.....and these are very high level, screw up their last week.

Never try and make weight, compete where you are at your best. I am 212 right now at 5% bodyfat (5 foot 9). Trying to drop below 198 to make LH would probably backfire....then again I could come in at 198, who knows. It is not like I am fighting in the UFC.
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I don't know the details of his last week, it was tough to make weight. Liquid diet, cut some sodium, Epsom salt baths, sauna, cardio. Was not ideal and came in a little flat from cutting too much.

Procard said:
There are ways around this (except for GH) With the resources from this forum and a talented chef he could get what he needs. If he beating half the pros on what is a very small amount hecould be top 10 Olympia on a big boy cycle. Of course w are talking 5 plus grams a week. Black Tops and the blues from Ace are cheap. Uncle Z/OnTopYa was very generous in helping me to Genos and I am a little nobody.

You have to be willing to hustle.
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We were talking at his house today while vaping some nice indica.....lol. He's coming off everything and doing PCT, he's never even done a proper PCT. I wanted him to run some hcg a few weeks before but too late now. So started Nolva and clomid today. Gonna run 4wk pct then stay off 8wks. Then start back with bulking, goal is 280 and will compete in open.
 
GD that’s one big mfer. Looking good man
 
I'm still trying to figure out who he is.
 
malfeasance said:
Why is he coming off??? Three months with no hormones? As a pro?
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Yep but according to internet gurus pros never come off and run 5+ grams of gear year round......yeah ok keep believing that.
 
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who? dang it.. Was it someone at WOS
 
REHH said:
Yep but according to internet gurus pros never come off and run 5+ grams of gear year round......yeah ok keep believing that.
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Yes, some take less. However, I would strongly recommend he stay on abase of at least 6-800 test year round. A lot of guys never drop below 2 grams. And remember bodybuilders are liars, at least the smart ones are.
 
REHH said:
This his first pro show so this is an experiment. He wants to go open, his trainer, an ex top 10 Olympia competitor is pushing for the 212. He looked at classic phyique but i think his weight limit there is in 190s so have to loose too much muscle. The goal will be to diet down to 220-225, then just cut water to make weight, carb up and rehydrate to 225 for show. So only 10-15 more to loose. But that will be hard, hes already very lean. No he's not holding belly or back fat. He has full seperated abs and a striated low back currently.
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So is his trainer re-thinking his 212 strategy, given his placing?

Why isn't his trainer handling his dosages and such?

Just out of curiosity, is the trainer local or distant, online, email, photos, phone calls, that sort of thing?
 
I wouldn't be surprised if REHH came back and said he didn't even use a coach. He placed ahead of a couple pretty solid guys in his last show. He's gonna do well if he continues to improve upon his legs, but a lot of his leg size may have been due to his big cut to get down to 212? Would have loved to see his quads at 245lbs.
 
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TouaregV8 said:
I wouldn't be surprised if REHH came back and said he didn't even use a coach. He placed ahead of a couple pretty solid guys in his last show. He's gonna do well if he continues to improve upon his legs, but a lot of his leg size may have been due to his big cut to get down to 212? Would have loved to see his quads at 245lbs.
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I agree, especially since he’s 5’8”, he has great calves too, would be nice to see what he can do when he doesn’t have to make a certain weight
 
Procard said:
Yes, some take less. However, I would strongly recommend he stay on abase of at least 6-800 test year round. A lot of guys never drop below 2 grams. And remember bodybuilders are liars, at least the smart ones are.
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Just some cliff notes;

Has family with children.
Low expendable income.
Hates pinning....needle phobia.
Concerned about long term health.
 
malfeasance said:
So is his trainer re-thinking his 212 strategy, given his placing?

Why isn't his trainer handling his dosages and such?

Just out of curiosity, is the trainer local or distant, online, email, photos, phone calls, that sort of thing?
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Trainer is ex top 10 Mr Olympia from years ago, not local.
He doesn't follow prescribed protocols, takes less, sometimes much less than advised....see previous post.
He was 260 and growing when starting his cut for last show. He could easily put on much more muscle and be 280+ if he did a proper bulk with the right supplements.
 
TouaregV8 said:
I wouldn't be surprised if REHH came back and said he didn't even use a coach. He placed ahead of a couple pretty solid guys in his last show. He's gonna do well if he continues to improve upon his legs, but a lot of his leg size may have been due to his big cut to get down to 212? Would have loved to see his quads at 245lbs.
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No he uses the ex Olympia competitor but doesn't utilize his full services. I don't agree with all the advice he gets, he's got several ppl in his ear and sometimes get conflicting advice.
 
IronRage said:
I agree, especially since he’s 5’8”, he has great calves too, would be nice to see what he can do when he doesn’t have to make a certain weight
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Calves and forearms are very big almost out of proportion and he doesn't even train them.
 
Here's an example i had a complete pct laid out, hcg, nolva and clomid. He's only using nolva, previously he was given the same advice when coming off for pct but chose to take nothing and just go off everything for 8-10wks. Amazingly he holds most of his strength and size even when doing this....... one word "GENETICS".
 
REHH said:
Just some cliff notes;

Has family with children.
Low expendable income.
Hates pinning....needle phobia.
Concerned about long term health.
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A few years ago I worked with a local IFBB pro in a similar situation. Great family man but would not do what as necessary to win in this sport at that level. He actually had money (successful personal training business) and scheduled a family vacation 3 weeks out from his show. I told him I could no longer work with him and he ended up doing very poorly.

My advice for your friend is not to compete in professional body building. I am sorry but trust me he is not willing to do what it takes to win and he is only wasting everyone's time and money. It generally costs more to win a show than what you get in prize money. Also, if you are worried about your health you have no business getting on stage.

He should take his pro card and use it to launch a successful business in a fitness related field. That is where the money is anyways.
 
Procard said:
A few years ago I worked with a local IFBB pro in a similar situation. Great family man but would not do what as necessary to win in this sport at that level. He actually had money (successful personal training business) and scheduled a family vacation 3 weeks out from his show. I told him I could no longer work with him and he ended up doing very poorly.

My advice for your friend is not to compete in professional body building. I am sorry but trust me he is not willing to do what it takes to win and he is only wasting everyone's time and money. It generally costs more to win a show than what you get in prize money. Also, if you are worried about your health you have no business getting on stage.

He should take his pro card and use it to launch a successful business in a fitness related field. That is where the money is anyways.
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His goal is make it to the Olympia stage but like you say he may not be willing to do what it takes or have the funds. He's looking at opening a gym, he's started a clothing line and looking into supplements too. He's also started personal training, recently got his certification.
 
REHH said:
Calves and forearms are very big almost out of proportion and he doesn't even train them.
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Damn, forearms I can see but calves? He doesn’t train calves?? Fml
 
REHH said:
one word "GENETICS".
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100%. Please don't take this the wrong way, REHH, because I respect the accomplishments that he has made, but if he can look like that doing this "half-assed" like he's been, just imagine what this guy's potential could be if he was doing it all right...guys like this make me want to smash my head against a wall.

InB4 you tell us that he was eating TV dinners during his contest prep. lol...
 
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