No not first go round ..pinned a lot of tren a/finaplex H home brew. Real strong stuff..38 pounds of straight muscle. And tren was the only thing I was on..lol yeah way back when I was new..loved that shit. But no more fina. I work in a tire plant, really hot. 130 plus temps, so lost lot of my weight, still bout 190 at 5'10, cut up..trying to put a solid 20 on now..yeah tne pre workout. Bout hour before. Did it before liked it . Tren a eod, sus250 E3D . Never no sides from tren a... I think 500mg of sus a week should be good. 300 mg tren a for first two weeks, then I go two 450mg , last two pins I cut back to 300mg.