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Sumner
10-21-2017, 10:16 AM
I have no aspirations or desire to get bigger , just harder and leaner and stay around 220 lbs ... my most stubborn bidypart as fart as fat storage is my chest , do you think doing chest 3 times per week would tighten that up ? Chemically enhanced of course to aid in recovery ..

Sumner
10-21-2017, 10:23 AM
Actually I shouldnt say fat around my chest , I am just VERY critical of my chest because I want to be able to pull the skin like paper , and also because before I started training again almost 2 years ago , I pretty much needed a fucking bra , it was so imbarasing , I could not wear golf shirts or sweaters and other cool fitting shirts because I looked like Dolly Parton ... so I think I am always self consoiuse ( spell check ) for some reason my phone does not spell check on this forum ??? It's weird , so this is the best you get from a 9 th grade drop out ...Anyways would training chest 3 times per week really harden the chest up ??? Again I do not want a. Igger chest just striated and hard

Velociraptor44
10-21-2017, 11:33 AM
Daily chest dips or ring push-ups....

jramseyrob
10-21-2017, 12:02 PM
Not a good idea, enhanced or not. I was a fairly high level PL'er years back and have seen many try this approach with overtraining as the result. Doesn't matter how many or much drugs you use. Working a heavy day alternated with a VERY light day to get blood flowing back into the fatigued muscles has worked with some success. Whe I mean light I mean a few sets of pushups and or some very light dumbell or barbell presses. Just my .02

GarlicChicken
10-21-2017, 12:30 PM
I wouldn't. Every time I've tried to do that I end up overtraining and getting injuries. I'd say one normal day plus a pump day unless you do something like FT where the volume is less per workout.

Vision
10-22-2017, 05:58 AM
heres the thing, you can train one part every day, but dont go ape shit, and the only way to be able to do this is you have to EAT LIKE A MOTHER FUCKER and rest like you have narcolepsy.. there is a such thing as over training, but as many pro's advocate, its over rated ONLY if you do eat and rest... eat eat eat!

Augustine5I
10-22-2017, 06:48 AM
I don't agree that there isn't suck a thing as "over training."

If you break down more then you are able to build, then you will certainly over train a muscle group. And an injury will most likely be the result.

Of course, diet, gear and age will play a part.

Can you work a body part everyday without overtraining, IMO no. Is it possible? Maybe....if the stimulus (exercise) is submaximal effort. And the individual is very in tune with his/her body.

If I were going to train chest everyday I would alter the reps and weights each time. Use different exercises each time. Focus one day on upper chest (hammer incline, incline dumbell presses, cables flyes positioned to hit upper chest), then focus on lower chest (decline hammer, decline bench, dips), then maybe middle chest (flat bench, dumbell flyes, pec deck).

I know you can't exactly train upper or lower chest specifically, but emphasis would be to hit those regions. And my sets would be 3 sets each with 8 to 12 reps range).

IMO

Vision
10-22-2017, 07:02 AM
I don't agree that there isn't suck a thing as "over training."

If you break down more then you are able to build, then you will certainly over train a muscle group. And an injury will most likely be the result.

Of course, diet, gear and age will play a part.

Can you work a body part everyday without overtraining, IMO no. Is it possible? Maybe....if the stimulus (exercise) is submaximal effort. And the individual is very in tune with his/her body.

If I were going to train chest everyday I would alter the reps and weights each time. Use different exercises each time. Focus one day on upper chest (hammer incline, incline dumbell presses, cables flyes positioned to hit upper chest), then focus on lower chest (decline hammer, decline bench, dips), then maybe middle chest (flat bench, dumbell flyes, pec deck).

I know you can't exactly train upper or lower chest specifically, but emphasis would be to hit those regions. And my sets would be 3 sets each with 8 to 12 reps range).

IMO

No one said that theres "no such thing as over training", in fact there is such a thing and people can experience and on set of - rhabdomyolysis.. I been there, hospitalized for it.. However, people need to drink lots of fluids, and EAT loads of food if they are training the same part multiple times a week.. I suggested doing it moderately (don't go ape shit), because the OP seems boundless to this approach.. I see people simply gave him suggestions to avoid any damage, injury ;)

The above statements made are even suggested by Jay Cutler, true story!

Augustine5I
10-22-2017, 07:25 AM
No one said that theres "no such thing as over training", in fact there is such a thing and people can experience and on set of - rhabdomyolysis.. I been there, hospitalized for it.. However, people need to drink lots of fluids, and EAT loads of food if they are training the same part multiple times a week.. I suggested doing it moderately (don't go ape shit), because the OP seems boundless to this approach.. I see people simply gave him suggestions to avoid any damage, injury ;)

The above statements made are even suggested by Jay Cutler, true story!

I understand what you are saying...and no attack here on you bro.

I think food/proper nutrition is essential to the equation. But no amount of food will prevent overtraining. Bc the rate of repair on muscle is finite. It can only be increased or tweaked so much (using gear for example). A person's age (a guy 24 will be more successful then a guy 48 doing this sort of thing).

So eating yes. But temporary muscle damage and repair is also time dependent....If a person requires 28.8 hours for recovery for example, it is ineveitable that if they hit the weights every 24 hours to train the same muscle, it will break down more then it builds.

I guess, knowing exactly how fast and complete your recovery is would be a necessary thing to know before really doing this.

Vision
10-22-2017, 07:32 AM
I understand what you are saying...and no attack here on you bro.

I think food/proper nutrition is essential to the equation. But no amount of food will prevent overtraining. Bc the rate of repair on muscle is finite. It can only be increased or tweaked so much (using gear for example). A person's age (a guy 24 will be more successful then a guy 48 doing this sort of thing).

So eating yes. But temporary muscle damage and repair is also time dependent....If a person requires 28.8 hours for recovery for example, it is ineveitable that if they hit the weights every 24 hours to train the same muscle, it will break down more then it builds.

I guess, knowing exactly how fast and complete your recovery is would be a necessary thing to know before really doing this.

My brother no one's taking this as an attack, this is what the community is for people to share their feedback..
But I would just like to point out that you mentioned above that these suggestions are given to avoid overtraining and again no one is making that statement either.. everyone is simply giving him suggestions to help avoid any possible injuries and other unnecessary setbacks..

If training multiple body parts during the week is going to be employed someone needs to do the parts in moderation and they need to increase their nutrition..

I personally don't think it's necessary unless someone has a particular lagging body part, or they do this for a living and they are taking into great consideration going on stage but other than that it's not for the average gym-goer..

Training one particular part multiple times during the week can be achieved successfully.. but this will be individually based and it's not for everyone..

Augustine5I
10-22-2017, 07:36 AM
My brother no one's taking this as an attack, this is what the community is for people to share their feedback..
But I would just like to point out that you mentioned above that these suggestions are given to avoid overtraining and again no one is making that statement either.. everyone is simply giving him suggestions to help avoid any possible injuries and other unnecessary setbacks..

If training multiple body parts during the week is going to be employed someone needs to do the parts in moderation and they need to increase their nutrition..

I personally don't think it's necessary unless someone has a particular lagging body part, or they do this for a living and they are taking into great consideration going on stage but other than that it's not for the average gym-goer..

Training one particular part multiple times during the week can be achieved successfully.. but this will be individually based and it's not for everyone..

Suggestions to avoid injuries are directly related to the conversation IMO bc overtraining will do exactly that....

I am sorry i just re-read the OP original post. Thought he said training chest everyday. LOL....but he said every training day or x3/week. My apologies.

Still, even when I was younger and had faster recovery, most I could do was twice a week and always borderline overtraining. Had tendonitis and bursitis flare ups a couple of times a year.

Again, I read the OP incorrectly bc was thinking about porn probably.

GrilledCheddar
10-24-2017, 08:47 AM
Going into the beginning of this year one of my lagging body parts was my upper chest. My coach and I decided to take an approach with it as well as some other things on the "bring up" list and do what we call "touch-ups" at the end of training days.

Basically I would have a chest primary day obviously. On other training days (not all) I would have a single chest exercise consisting of 4 sets at the end which usually involved some type of flies or occasionally a press. After nearly doing this for half a year we definitely saw improvements where it was implicated. I was not going for high weight or anything on these "touch-ups" just simply forcing blood into the muscle and keeping it engaged off and on throughout the week.

Of course my diet and training was monitored and altered strategically I believe it can be done correctly with good results but I'm firm on the CORRECTLY part. This method isn't always good for everyone because many need more time for recovery especially if they are not as advanced or are starting back after being away from the iron for a while.

Oldschool
10-25-2017, 06:41 PM
Daily chest dips or ring push-ups....

I do 100 + pushups every morning and have for years. Mainly works slow and fast twitch red muscle fibers so overtraining doesn't come into play much...

Sierra2500hd
10-26-2017, 06:37 AM
I think it depends on how you are training everyday. I typically squat, bench, and row every workout day (5 days) as a pre-cursor to other lifting. However, it is not necessarily intense. For example, I may squat and bench as a warm-up up to approximately 75%-80% of max every day for not very many sets, then do what I set out to do that day. It may be volume chest, arms, back, legs, etc. But once every week to two weeks I'll go either to max or close to it. I go to 500 on squats , 405 on bench, and 260 (20-30 reps) on seated cable rows OR pull ups, for reps every workout day (5 days a week)....then move on.

What I might suggest if you are going for development is do 10 day intervals where you train the same body part for 10 days (in addition to your traditional routine). Then take up to a week break to recover that body part.

craigmac
10-26-2017, 07:23 AM
I did 100s of push-ups every single day through boot camp on no sleep and shitty food. My body adapted and when it was over my chest was shredded.

Derek Wilson
10-28-2017, 11:59 AM
Incline Bench Cable Fly
Flat Bench Dumbbell Press
Low-Incline Barbell Bench Press
Barbell Bench Press
Machine Decline Press
Seated Machine Chest Press
Incline Dumbbell Press
Dips For Chest

Velociraptor44
10-28-2017, 05:41 PM
I do 100 + pushups every morning and have for years. Mainly works slow and fast twitch red muscle fibers so overtraining doesn't come into play much...

^he knows!

Sierra2500hd
10-30-2017, 10:32 AM
I have also been hospitalized for rhabdo (last year) and it sucked! It was the result of me going balls to the wall with first heavy core lifting at the beginning followed by up to three hours of high volume training 20-30 reps per body part. My goal was 10 days. At the end of 10 I felt I had made some solid endurance gains in my mid-range weight repping and felt so good I kept on going. 3 days later I was in agonizing abdominal pain that then spread everywhere. It wasn't fun. I should have stopped at my original goal of that 10 day crazy workout and intended on resting for 4-5 days or even a week, but I didn't follow my plan and over did it.


No one said that theres "no such thing as over training", in fact there is such a thing and people can experience and on set of - rhabdomyolysis.. I been there, hospitalized for it.. However, people need to drink lots of fluids, and EAT loads of food if they are training the same part multiple times a week.. I suggested doing it moderately (don't go ape shit), because the OP seems boundless to this approach.. I see people simply gave him suggestions to avoid any damage, injury ;)

The above statements made are even suggested by Jay Cutler, true story!

Vision
10-30-2017, 10:39 AM
I have also been hospitalized for rhabdo (last year) and it sucked! It was the result of me going balls to the wall with first heavy core lifting at the beginning followed by up to three hours of high volume training 20-30 reps per body part. My goal was 10 days. At the end of 10 I felt I had made some solid endurance gains in my mid-range weight repping and felt so good I kept on going. 3 days later I was in agonizing abdominal pain that then spread everywhere. It wasn't fun. I should have stopped at my original goal of that 10 day crazy workout and intended on resting for 4-5 days or even a week, but I didn't follow my plan and over did it.

BRO, ITS AN AWFUL FEELING MAN!

I'll never forget how it felt, like full blown AIDS!

Sierra2500hd
10-30-2017, 10:42 AM
I'm with you...I thought I was going to die...and could have! I was basically on a delauded drip for two days while being flushed out with saline....next to comotose from the amount of pain killer they were giving me.


BRO, ITS AN AWFUL FEELING MAN!

I'll never forget how it felt, like full blown AIDS!

Vision
10-30-2017, 10:46 AM
I'm with you...I thought I was going to die...and could have! I was basically on a delauded drip for two days while being flushed out with saline....next to comotose from the amount of pain killer they were giving me.

They were gonna give me pain meds but I declined, I wont go down that road again.. No way jose!

Sierra2500hd
10-30-2017, 10:51 AM
Yup...2016 was a great year for me:

February - torn upper left quadriceps (occurred during upward speed squats with 500)
July - rhabdomyolisis (after 13 days of 3 hour + high volume total body workout)
November - heart attack + stent (onset occurred while squatting 500 for reps)

2017:
June - torn upper left quadriceps -again! (upward speed squats with 500; same mistake twice)
October - hairline pelvis fracture (showed up after squatting 700; probably not coincidence. Also had been squatting heavy for 7 days straight prior)

Fitch
11-05-2017, 10:20 PM
Do chest everyday,enjoy the shred, tried the Dbol, Deca and HGH, even sometimes the HGH let me dizzy, love sleep on the cycle