This should probably get like 2 hits tops ... I know the ex heroin kid has abs ( btw that was not derogatory ) very happy you got clean , and even Dema has abs , no shoulders or chest or arms or shape , but he sent me a pic hanging from some monkey bars because it shows the abs more ... I do have good obliques , abductors and thin abdominal skin , but no popping abs , I never train abs .... they say abs are built in the kitchen ( true ) but doing some core exercises couldn't hurt .... I drink 12 packs , but only have a 4 pack at best ...