Syria, here we go

heckler7 · Apr 6, 2017

I'm not sure it was assad, it doesnt add up, they were starting peace talks next week, what do you guys say

heavyiron · Apr 6, 2017

Its irrelevant given the shit Assad has pulled over the years. Pick your fav atrocity.......

heckler7 · Apr 6, 2017

IDK, not the first autrocity and wont be the last. unless they are planning on finishing what they started, they should wait, but I dont get the intel the president does and he seems pretty sure about it.

Chad_Frazier · Apr 6, 2017

heavyiron said:
Its irrelevant given the shit Assad has pulled over the years. Pick your fav atrocity.......

Amen to that

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Sheriv · Apr 6, 2017

heckler7 said:
IDK, not the first autrocity and wont be the last. unless they are planning on finishing what they started, they should wait, but I dont get the intel the president does and he seems pretty sure about it.

Trump admin says they have video of the plane leaving assads little air strip...then deploying the gas.
I believe that's being reported on both left and right news sources at this point...as well as members of Russia (military?) Being present at the air strip/post? That was just bombed

heckler7 · Apr 6, 2017

Sheriv said:
Trump admin says they have video of the plane leaving assads little air strip...then deploying the gas.
I believe that's being reported on both left and right news sources at this point...as well as members of Russia (military?) Being present at the air strip/post? That was just bombed

this is exactly why I was bringing up conspiracies earlier, I know what we get is just the surface and there are a lot more details in the intel trump gets, but I feel like syria is a lost country even with russia backing them, assad controls about 1/4 of whats left and isis controls almost half, with numerous other factions controlling small parts, so maybe this was more a show of force than a real military action

ClintEastwood · Apr 6, 2017

I say let em handle their own shit. Lets stick to wasting isis. Ricky tick.

Lokthan · Apr 7, 2017

Its all bullshit. Not our fucking lane. Look what the past years in Iraq and afg. What have we accomplished? Nothing. Just men and women going home to being put in the ground

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TouaregV8 · Apr 7, 2017

I believe this recent show of force was directed more towards Russia, North Korea, and China than it was Syria. It's about the United States showing that it's not going to be bullied any longer and this Syria thing was just a good opportunity to display the fact that we're back in the game.

Tall Deck · Apr 7, 2017

TouaregV8 said:
I believe this recent show of force was directed more towards Russia, North Korea, and China than it was Syria. It's about the United States showing that it's not going to be bullied any longer and this Syria thing was just a good opportunity to display the fact that we're back in the game.

BINGO!!! This was to put other nations that have gotten used to using the USA and thumbing their nose at us on notice that there's a new sheriff in town and they had better think real carefully before they act. They're going to have to be a little slower at breaking peace treaties and the like

Sheriv · Apr 7, 2017

China could run us over with a steam roller with military might and technology- they caught up a long time ago with the tech and their forces outnumber us by a long shot- their mentality is also different. there is no war time/peace time- they constantly just feed their arsenal

malfeasance · Apr 7, 2017

TouaregV8 said:
I believe this recent show of force was directed more towards Russia, North Korea, and China than it was Syria. It's about the United States showing that it's not going to be bullied any longer and this Syria thing was just a good opportunity to display the fact that we're back in the game.

No more "leading from behind" is the way it is being spun. I think you are 100% correct.

Lokthan · Apr 7, 2017

Sheriv said:
China could run us over with a steam roller with military might and technology- they caught up a long time ago with the tech and their forces outnumber us by a long shot- their mentality is also different. there is no war time/peace time- they constantly just feed their arsenal

Coming from the military, thats highly false. China is the only military(closely followed by russia) that has a legitimate chance, but not a blatant win. By force of numbers yes China is significantly bigger. But we are still far past any military in the world in terms of technology and tactics.

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Tall Deck · Apr 7, 2017

Sheriv said:
China could run us over with a steam roller with military might and technology- they caught up a long time ago with the tech and their forces outnumber us by a long shot- their mentality is also different. there is no war time/peace time- they constantly just feed their arsenal

Yes, but the big nations like Russia and China are not going to engage in a huge direct conflict with the USA, nor be real quick to start an all out war with the USA either, since both sides would lose in various ways. Nobody wants a nuclear war either, besides a crazy nut job dictatorship small country like Iran.

Tall Deck · Apr 7, 2017

Lokthan said:
Coming from the military, thats highly false. China is the only military(closely followed by russia) that has a legitimate chance, but not a blatant win. By force of numbers yes China is significantly bigger. But we are still far past any military in the world in terms of technology and tactics.

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IN Technology yes. My employer was purchased by Lockheed Martin last year, so now I have direct access to military weapon systems that LM makes which I never had before, and let me tell you that I'm amazed at what the USA military has access to now. Including advanced Lazer weapons. I mean this is Star Trek and Star Wars type stuff. No joke!!

Tall Deck · Apr 7, 2017

Let me correct my last post: I have access to descriptions and information of some advanced military weapons systems that I never had before.

Lokthan · Apr 7, 2017

Tall Deck said:
Let me correct my last post: I have access to descriptions and information of some advanced military weapons systems that I never had before.

Lol I u derstand what you mean.

Did Intel for a bit. A whole trove of insane info hidden out there

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Tall Deck · Apr 7, 2017

Lokthan said:
Lol I u derstand what you mean.

Did Intel for a bit. A whole trove of insane info hidden out there

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Yeah these new weapons systems can blow up an incoming missile or rocket miles away with lazer beams before it reaches it's destined intended target, and also can be used to disable the ignition system of a truck jeep, or other military vehicles miles away. And this stuff isn't in the testing phases. It's a reality today as we speak. So I would not be quick to agree with the opinion that china is further advanced in weapons technology than we are.

chocolatemalt · Apr 7, 2017

Sheriv said:
China could run us over with a steam roller with military might and technology- they caught up a long time ago with the tech and their forces outnumber us by a long shot- their mentality is also different. there is no war time/peace time- they constantly just feed their arsenal

I think they're still 15-20 years behind.

They've got ICBMs in case of full out nuclear conflict, absurd numbers of soldiers to draw upon for zerg tactics, totalitarian control of the country, and an unknown but frightening capability in the cyber war realm... but otherwise they're not remotely there yet. Subs, aircraft carriers, aircraft, advanced missile platforms, anti-missile defenses... nowhere close to us. They bought and refurbished an old Ukrainian aircraft carrier and the start of their new navy but it's a joke. We've got 10 carrier task forces on the oceans most times (and that's just super carriers, ignoring all the light carriers) without those obsolescence issues. And given the extraordinary sums we've spent on defense over the decades, we BETTER have some sort of advantage.

heavyiron · Apr 7, 2017

LOL @ China or Russia surviving an all out war with the US.

GarlicChicken · Apr 7, 2017

TouaregV8 said:
I believe this recent show of force was directed more towards Russia, North Korea, and China than it was Syria. It's about the United States showing that it's not going to be bullied any longer and this Syria thing was just a good opportunity to display the fact that we're back in the game.

I believe this to be correct. It only makes sense.

GarlicChicken · Apr 7, 2017

chocolatemalt said:
I think they're still 15-20 years behind.

They've got ICBMs in case of full out nuclear conflict, absurd numbers of soldiers to draw upon for zerg tactics, totalitarian control of the country, and an unknown but frightening capability in the cyber war realm... but otherwise they're not remotely there yet. Subs, aircraft carriers, aircraft, advanced missile platforms, anti-missile defenses... nowhere close to us. They bought and refurbished an old Ukrainian aircraft carrier and the start of their new navy but it's a joke. We've got 10 carrier task forces on the oceans most times (and that's just super carriers, ignoring all the light carriers) without those obsolescence issues. And given the extraordinary sums we've spent on defense over the decades, we BETTER have some sort of advantage.

This is very correct from my experience. We're still light-years ahead in tactics and technology

GarlicChicken · Apr 7, 2017

heavyiron said:
LOL @ China or Russia surviving an all out war with the US.

Together I think they could. But only if no one made good on their alliances. GB would be in the fold for us, even as liberal as they are today. They're still primarily a bunch of hard nosed mfers. They also know that if we fall they're next. The problem is that we'd be fighting the largest and most complex war in history. The outcome would be determined by the best strategist, not the most might. This is where we will have the biggest advantage because we are the most experienced nation in the world when it comes to large scale war and military strategy. We always win when there's a defined enemy

heavyiron · Apr 7, 2017

Skip Foursome · Apr 7, 2017

chocolatemalt said:
I think they're still 15-20 years behind.

They've got ICBMs in case of full out nuclear conflict, absurd numbers of soldiers to draw upon for zerg tactics, totalitarian control of the country, and an unknown but frightening capability in the cyber war realm... but otherwise they're not remotely there yet. Subs, aircraft carriers, aircraft, advanced missile platforms, anti-missile defenses... nowhere close to us. They bought and refurbished an old Ukrainian aircraft carrier and the start of their new navy but it's a joke. We've got 10 carrier task forces on the oceans most times (and that's just super carriers, ignoring all the light carriers) without those obsolescence issues. And given the extraordinary sums we've spent on defense over the decades, we BETTER have some sort of advantage.

China has one aircraft carrier that is a refurbished Russian piece of shit from the 1990s.

WTF!

randy4me · Apr 7, 2017

Skip Foursome said:
China has one aircraft carrier that is a refurbished Russian piece of shit from the 1990s.

WTF!

It would be in the bottom of the ocean in the first 15 minutes of a war with us. lol

whippedeye · Apr 7, 2017

No motivation for that kind of war. Russia with its vast oil reserves is looking for all the business it can get. China buys oil from them...China makes stuff that USA buys. BP oil is GB for crying out loud.

I don't think Putin's really means it when he condemns USA for the attack...that's just politics.

Very wealthy people are in charge everywhere. And they want to make more money...all out war means no buisness deals made and the possibility of death. You think the ruling class of USA Russia and China want to end a good thing.
Global tensions will arise and the politics are played accordingly. If fact without tension between the superpowers what need for all the vast sums spent on military?

Retired General Wesley clark is going around saying that 10 days after 911 the long term plan hit the table.... take out 7 nations in the mideast... Afg. Iraq Libya Syria Iran...can't remeber the other 3....

I disagree it's a show of force toward russia/china.... there's no need to show force.

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chocolatemalt · Apr 8, 2017

randy4me said:
It would be in the bottom of the ocean in the first 15 minutes of a war with us. lol

Bingo. I wouldn't be surprised for a second if we're trailing that carrier (at distance) with attack subs at all times. Not that the carrier actually poses that much of a threat to begin with -- it would mainly be used against Taiwan or something in a secondary front.

But if they're smart (and they are) they'll drydock it before hostilities and rely on nuclear blackmail against our allies right on their borders.

randy4me · Apr 8, 2017

It would make a great coral reef.

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chocolatemalt · Apr 8, 2017

whippedeye said:
No motivation for that kind of war. Russia with its vast oil reserves is looking for all the business it can get. China buys oil from them...China makes stuff that USA buys. BP oil is GB for crying out loud.

I don't think Putin's really means it when he condemns USA for the attack...that's just politics.

Very wealthy people are in charge everywhere. And they want to make more money...all out war means no buisness deals made and the possibility of death. You think the ruling class of USA Russia and China want to end a good thing.
Global tensions will arise and the politics are played accordingly. If fact without tension between the superpowers what need for all the vast sums spent on military?

Spot on.

If we had a major war with China, the first casualty with be the couple TRILLION dollars we owe them. Blip! No fuckers we don't owe that to you anymore. It'll be the biggest instant debt cancellation in all of history. China knows this.

They'd also lose their biggest market, the one that brought them out of backward peasant communist dysfunction into a modern industrial powerhouse. There are other markets but we're the 800 lb gorilla. Though in another 25 years they'll be the 1,200 lb gorilla...

whippedeye said:
Retired General Wesley clark is going around saying that 10 days after 911 the long term plan hit the table.... take out 7 nations in the mideast... Afg. Iraq Libya Syria Iran...can't remeber the other 3....

I disagree it's a show of force toward russia/china.... there's no need to show force.

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We still compete with our business partners on the geo-strategic stage though. China wants nearly the entire South China Sea, we support all the neighboring countries (including Vietnam, ironies) against that. China wants to strong-arm Burma on dams and electric infrastructure joint projects, Burma eventually says fuck you and turns to the US and the West for help and yet another major strategic pivot. China wants Taiwan back in the fold, by force if needed, we sail battle fleets in the strait between them to prevent it. And so on. Russia likewise is bullying and tearing chunks out of neighboring nations.

Showing force and resolve is still part of the game.

Clark is just talking about the neo-Con interventionist plans, no? I haven't read about his remarks though.

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