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Hellcat
12-27-2016, 07:16 AM
Just drew my labs couple days ago, test is 2600, estrogen at 101.
Taking Aromasin 12.5 EOD, should I bump it up to ED or 25 mg?
Could anyone let me know what I should be doing?
Labs were taken thursday morning 3 days after last injection
How do labs look overall?


Test level pre-cycle : 484

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HDgrowth
12-27-2016, 08:29 AM
How much test are you taking?

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malfeasance
12-27-2016, 08:42 AM
. . . estrogen at 101.
Taking Aromasin 12.5 EOD, should I bump it up to ED or 25 mg?

Take it ED.

Hellcat
12-27-2016, 09:03 AM
How much test are you taking?

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That would have been good to add huh? Lmao.

500 mg a week

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Take it ED.

12.5 or 25?

nwguy
12-27-2016, 09:05 AM
Just drew my labs couple days ago, test is 2600, estrogen at 101.
Taking Aromasin 12.5 EOD, should I bump it up to ED or 25 mg?
Could anyone let me know what I should be doing?
Labs were taken thursday morning 3 days after last injection
How do labs look overall?


Test level pre-cycle : 484

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Take the aromasin ED... Try it at 12.5 and pull bloods in a few weeks if you can and then up to 25 if needed. If I take anything over 250 a week in test I need to take 25 a day to keep it at the right levels.

heavyiron
12-27-2016, 09:07 AM
25 mg Aromasin daily split in an AM and PM dose of 12.5 mg

Montego1
12-27-2016, 09:37 AM
How long after last pin was the blood draw and how long have you been on.

Hellcat
12-27-2016, 09:48 AM
How long after last pin was the blood draw and how long have you been on.

3 days and I been on 7 weeks now

Skip Foursome
12-27-2016, 09:56 AM
How much test per week?

Hellcat
12-27-2016, 10:07 AM
How much test per week?

500 mg per week

GainTrain
12-27-2016, 10:12 AM
Numbers look right where they should be... Aside from e2

macedog24
12-27-2016, 12:53 PM
25 mg Aromasin daily split in an AM and PM dose of 12.5 mg
THIS IS the whole truth and nothing but the truth. ! here is your answer.

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BabyOx
12-27-2016, 02:23 PM
Bloods look good brother just take your AI

Akilles702
12-27-2016, 03:22 PM
Your numbers look low bro. 2600 at 500mg a week? They should be around 10x your weekly dose not 5x. IMO


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Ryu7
12-27-2016, 03:30 PM
Your numbers look low bro. 2600 at 500mg a week? They should be around 10x your weekly dose not 5x. IMO


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5,000 on 500mg a week?

Hellcat
12-27-2016, 04:07 PM
Your numbers look low bro. 2600 at 500mg a week? They should be around 10x your weekly dose not 5x. IMO


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This is my first cycle and first rodeo but I know that running 500 mg a week should not yield test levels of 5k+

TheComeback
12-27-2016, 05:32 PM
I agree, it shouldn't be near 5000. To give you an idea, I'm running the same Gorilla Test E. 825mg/wk. Had blood work done 2 weeks ago, 48 hours after pin, and my Test was 4019.

Akilles702
12-27-2016, 05:50 PM
This is my first cycle and first rodeo but I know that running 500 mg a week should not yield test levels of 5k+

You're pulled bloods at peak level. If you pulled bloods at 7 days when they are at they're lowest your numbers would be amazing. You're peak levels should be around 10x my man

Akilles702
12-27-2016, 05:51 PM
This is my first cycle and first rodeo but I know that running 500 mg a week should not yield test levels of 5k+

I'm running the same cycle. Did bloods at the same time 7 weeks and 3 days after last pin and my test was 4573.

Hellcat
12-27-2016, 07:23 PM
You're pulled bloods at peak level. If you pulled bloods at 7 days when they are at they're lowest your numbers would be amazing. You're peak levels should be around 10x my man

Do you even realize what you just said?

Akilles702
12-27-2016, 08:13 PM
Do you even realize what you just said?

Yes I do. Is there something you'd like to correct about my statement? I'm just saying your numbers are low for 500 a week

GainTrain
12-27-2016, 09:16 PM
You are wrong, his numbers are not low at all. They are right where they should be for running 500mg of Test per week

Akilles702
12-27-2016, 10:42 PM
OP do your own research my brother just tryna help you out. At 3 days you are near peak levels still. AFTER the half life your levels should be around 2200-2800 but you aren't past the half life.


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Cruefan89
12-28-2016, 12:07 AM
Yes I do. Is there something you'd like to correct about my statement? I'm just saying your numbers are low for 500 a week


Wrong

Montego1
12-28-2016, 11:52 AM
Your numbers look low bro. 2600 at 500mg a week? They should be around 10x your weekly dose not 5x. IMO


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They don't look low.

They look properly dosed being split pins.

Montego1
12-28-2016, 11:52 AM
Wrong
Right

Sounds like this akilles guy might have gotten some hot gear.

Progress
12-28-2016, 11:55 AM
Your numbers look low bro. 2600 at 500mg a week? They should be around 10x your weekly dose not 5x. IMO


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I agree, it shouldn't be near 5000. To give you an idea, I'm running the same Gorilla Test E. 825mg/wk. Had blood work done 2 weeks ago, 48 hours after pin, and my Test was 4019.

Fucktards....

OP your numbers look spot on. Wouldbe better but your tits are leaking with that est.

Edit* Comeback mis read what you said, your correct.

Progress
12-28-2016, 11:56 AM
Right

Sounds like this akilles guy might have gotten some hot gear.

Probably pinning with NPP or another compound and that shit is all test.

Canebrake
12-28-2016, 12:07 PM
Your numbers look low bro. 2600 at 500mg a week? They should be around 10x your weekly dose not 5x. IMO


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There's always one

Skip Foursome
12-28-2016, 01:41 PM
Probably pinning with NPP or another compound and that shit is all test.

NPP only throws off or elevates testosterone levels if using ECLIA method for testosterone analysis. Since these results are over the 1500ng/dl limit of ECLIA and it is stated analysis by LC/MS/MS NPP would not be the culprit.

In other words, the guy is just full of shit.

Progress
12-28-2016, 01:43 PM
Your numbers look low bro. 2600 at 500mg a week?
[QUOTE=Skip Foursome;1135983]NPP only throws off or elevates testosterone levels if using ECLIA method for testosterone analysis. Since these results are over the 1500ng/dl limit of ECLIA and it is stated analysis by LC/MS/MS NPP would not be the culprit.

In other words, the guy is just full of shit.

What I am saying is his NPP label is actually test lol

Skip Foursome
12-28-2016, 01:45 PM
[QUOTE=Akilles702;1135541]Your numbers look low bro. 2600 at 500mg a week?


What I am saying is his NPP label is actually test lol

Oooohhh!!!

Montego1
12-28-2016, 03:06 PM
NPP only throws off or elevates testosterone levels if using ECLIA method for testosterone analysis. Since these results are over the 1500ng/dl limit of ECLIA and it is stated analysis by LC/MS/MS NPP would not be the culprit.

In other words, the guy is just full of shit.
He meant the npp was test instead of npp lol

Progress
12-28-2016, 03:07 PM
He meant the npp was test instead of npp lol

The real question is how did you get so tan?!?!?!

Akilles702
12-28-2016, 03:08 PM
Probably pinning with NPP or another compound and that shit is all test.

Running 500mgs of Test. Literally same cycle. Bloods pulled at same time. Please explain to me why are levels are so far apart?

Progress
12-28-2016, 03:11 PM
Running 500mgs of Test. Literally same cycle. Bloods pulled at same time. Please explain to me why are levels are so far apart?

500mg a wk will put you at 2300-2800. You pinned it wrong.

Cruefan89
12-28-2016, 03:20 PM
Running 500mgs of Test. Literally same cycle. Bloods pulled at same time. Please explain to me why are levels are so far apart?

What lab and did you separate your pins at 250 ea?

Akilles702
12-28-2016, 03:25 PM
500mg a wk will put you at 2300-2800. You pinned it wrong.

No I didn't[emoji23]. 250mg every Monday and Thursday. Explain why our levels are so different?

Akilles702
12-28-2016, 03:26 PM
What lab and did you separate your pins at 250 ea?

Lab as in source? And 250mg every Monday and Thursday making 500mg a week

Progress
12-28-2016, 03:31 PM
No I didn't[emoji23]. 250mg every Monday and Thursday. Explain why our levels are so different?

IDK, maybe I pinned wrong. Lol

Akilles702
12-28-2016, 03:37 PM
IDK, maybe I pinned wrong. Lol

I'm just saying bro. I've been on meso for awhile and agree with Dr. Jim's post where he says Test e and c are at peak levels from 24-48 hours and at 500mg a week at a low point would pull 3500(low point) to 6000 being the high point. I just don't see another 24 hours dropping levels that low

Skip Foursome
12-28-2016, 03:42 PM
Meso, there's your answer.

Akilles702
12-28-2016, 03:49 PM
Meso, there's your answer.

Because they like properly dosed gear? Lol

Skip Foursome
12-28-2016, 03:50 PM
Because they like properly dosed gear? Lol

No, because they are ill informed and full of shit.

Mick
12-28-2016, 03:52 PM
No, because they are ill informed and full of shit.

Correct, Follow the leader... But their Doctor Jim told them it was right?

Akilles702
12-28-2016, 03:54 PM
No, because they are ill informed and full of shit.

Obviously so are you and you're full of shit gear too lol

thewaterboy
12-28-2016, 04:15 PM
Correct, Follow the leader... But their Doctor Jim told them it was right?

This is explainable...he must have got a hold of the mixed up vials from the IA hoopla. Ak is unknowingly pinning that 600 supah-giga testosterones. Makes sense now...

Akilles702
12-28-2016, 04:35 PM
This is explainable...he must have got a hold of the mixed up vials from the IA hoopla. Ak is unknowingly pinning that 600 supah-giga testosterones. Makes sense now...

Y'all are dumb. Keep pinning your under dosed gear pushing almost a gram and getting shit test levels. Having to use more and more to get good gains. Like I said if he pulled bloods at 7 days they'd be good levels but he pulled at 3 days near peak levels. Not good numbers OP. Do the same cycle with some pharma gear next time and you'll see the difference in levels and gains.

Cruefan89
12-28-2016, 04:38 PM
Y'all are dumb. Keep pinning your under dosed gear pushing almost a gram and getting shit test levels. Having to use more and more to get good gains. Like I said if he pulled bloods at 7 days they'd be good levels but he pulled at 3 days near peak levels. Not good numbers OP. Do the same cycle with some pharma gear next time and you'll see the difference in levels and gains.

​Post up your labs or STFU

Akilles702
12-28-2016, 04:45 PM
​Post up your labs or STFU

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Here's the exact post from the other forum I'm on

Montego1
12-28-2016, 04:52 PM
Just drew my labs couple days ago, test is 2600, estrogen at 101.
Taking Aromasin 12.5 EOD, should I bump it up to ED or 25 mg?
Could anyone let me know what I should be doing?
Labs were taken thursday morning 3 days after last injection
How do labs look overall?


Test level pre-cycle : 484

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How many times a week are you pinning?

Cruefan89
12-28-2016, 04:54 PM
I stand corrected. That's some highly dosed test your running. Good for you. I've never seen a test level that high on 500 a week and I'm on TRT script thru my doctor a large part of the year.

Montego1
12-28-2016, 04:55 PM
I'm just saying bro. I've been on meso for awhile and agree with Dr. Jim's post where he says Test e and c are at peak levels from 24-48 hours and at 500mg a week at a low point would pull 3500(low point) to 6000 being the high point. I just don't see another 24 hours dropping levels that low
Why do you agree with him.

I'm interested to know what leads you to believe this.

Akilles702
12-28-2016, 05:00 PM
I stand corrected. That's some highly dosed test your running. Good for you. I've never seen a test level that high on 500 a week and I'm on TRT script thru my doctor a large part of the year.

Another guy on the forum tested his Test P at 500mg a week and got a test level of 4200+ I believe I'll have to go look for it right now. Didn't mean to come off as a dick I just don't understand why the numbers would fluctuate this much. Either one is over dosed or under dosed obviously. If you don't mind me asking what do your trt levels come back at and at what dose?

Mick
12-28-2016, 05:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOrTA3iNZaM

Akilles702
12-28-2016, 05:07 PM
Why do you agree with him.

I'm interested to know what leads you to believe this.

I think of it like this may be weird but just bare with me. TRT patients roughly inject 100-150mg every week or so and they're levels come back in the normal to high range usually around 700-1200. So at that low of a dose it's still almost 10x the amount of test. If you keep increasing the dose your test numbers are obviously gonna go up. So at say 500mg it would make you around 8-10x the amount you are taking. If this is wrong please correct me. This is just my way of thinking.

Skip Foursome
12-28-2016, 05:13 PM
C'mon guys, don't get suckered in by the bullshit.

We are all smarter than this.

Montego1
12-28-2016, 05:20 PM
I think of it like this may be weird but just bare with me. TRT patients roughly inject 100-150mg every week or so and they're levels come back in the normal to high range usually around 700-1200. So at that low of a dose it's still almost 10x the amount of test. If you keep increasing the dose your test numbers are obviously gonna go up. So at say 500mg it would make you around 8-10x the amount you are taking. If this is wrong please correct me. This is just my way of thinking.
Increase in the amount of hormone and actual levels are not linear.

Also prop Elevates levels much more dramatically then Enanthate or cyp due to the ester cleaving off at a much more rapid pace.

Akilles702
12-28-2016, 05:21 PM
C'mon guys, don't get suckered in by the bullshit.

We are all smarter than this.

It's not bullshit man. It's science. People should be getting what they paid for. Cycles aren't cheap you probably already know that and you probably have more experience than me but I'd like to know how you think about it?

GainTrain
12-28-2016, 05:21 PM
All it takes to know this is completely bullshit is having gotten blood work done. Anyone who has gotten blood work done knows this guy is full of shit. Period... 500mg week split into 2 pins Mon and Thur puts me at 25-2600 consistently.

Akilles702
12-28-2016, 05:29 PM
Increase in the amount of hormone and actual levels are not linear.

Also prop Elevates levels much more dramatically then Enanthate or cyp due to the ester cleaving off at a much more rapid pace.

So with Test E you are getting 70mg per 100mg. So at 500mg you are only actually getting 350mg. So if you go off the 8-10x yes the levels are pretty close to what his blood work shows. My test is more than likely overdosed but at the same time I'm running around 500mg and he is only running around 350mg if that makes sense

Akilles702
12-28-2016, 05:31 PM
All it takes to know this is completely bullshit is having gotten blood work done. Anyone who has gotten blood work done knows this guy is full of shit. Period... 500mg week split into 2 pins Mon and Thur puts me at 25-2600 consistently.

You only keep 70mg of 100mg so it's more like you're running 350mg not 500mg. I stand corrected

Cruefan89
12-28-2016, 05:39 PM
Again, I've never seen numbers that high on 500mg a week. Something's off here. Whisper in my ear the source your running.

Akilles702
12-28-2016, 05:46 PM
Again, I've never seen numbers that high on 500mg a week. Something's off here. Whisper in my ear the source your running.

Lol PM me

Montego1
12-28-2016, 07:08 PM
So with Test E you are getting 70mg per 100mg. So at 500mg you are only actually getting 350mg. So if you go off the 8-10x yes the levels are pretty close to what his blood work shows. My test is more than likely overdosed but at the same time I'm running around 500mg and he is only running around 350mg if that makes sense
Man you are stepping all over your own dick here.

Please educate yourself quite a bit more before you go into a sponsors subforum and start saying their product is underdosed.

Akilles702
12-28-2016, 07:18 PM
Man you are stepping all over your own dick here.

Please educate yourself quite a bit more before you go into a sponsors subforum and start saying their product is underdosed.

Please educate me[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]. My test is a lil over dosed by probably 25-50mgs. There's is still under dosed by 100-150mgs. Lol his bloods were drawn at 3 days and got 2600 levels those should be levels after the half life and 3 days isn't the half life of test e. So go ahead educate me that's what these forums are for.

Dispense Quick
12-28-2016, 07:23 PM
good for him for having such a long dick.
Man you are stepping all over your own dick here.

Please educate yourself quite a bit more before you go into a sponsors subforum and start saying their product is underdosed.

Montego1
12-28-2016, 07:32 PM
Please educate me[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]. My test is a lil over dosed by probably 25-50mgs. There's is still under dosed by 100-150mgs. Lol his bloods were drawn at 3 days and got 2600 levels those should be levels after the half life and 3 days isn't the half life of test e. So go ahead educate me that's what these forums are for.
There is obviously no convincing you of your misinformation. But I'll try one more time and not respond again.

You yourself just admitted that your test was most likely over dosed. 5000 7 days after draw is around a gram of gear for the average user.

You made a linear comparison of TRT dosages of test in comparison to a superficial amount.

You did not take into account the individuals ability to metabolize the ester. This could GREATLY increase YOUR levels at draw. The OP is perfectly in range of what most ANYONE in any community would consider properly dosed.

And I would bet, you have never had more then 2 sets of labs pulled on a blast, either of them being on a prescription straight from the pharmacy. (on that note, they're is quite a bit of underdosed test coming right from CVS lately)

I've pulled over 50 lab panels on script, off script, on blast, off blast. I know how I personally metabolize test and I have had scores MULTIPLE times of 2100ish on Watson, Sun, compounding and there was one other I can't remember. Using the same injection protocol and hormone amounts.

Said my peace. You've had multiple members of the community who have nothing to do with this lab what so ever try and tell you why you are in fact incorrect. If you can't come to grips with that, you might do better going back to Meso.

Dispense Quick
12-28-2016, 07:32 PM
my bloods on 180 mg of my prescription test cyp come back around 700-800 every time. never above 800 and never below 700. if this test was in fact linear, and despite the fact no protocol was followed at all. we can only assume and take a mathematical approach despite all of the obvious variables.
my prescription is filled by the pharmacy and the brand it watson, ng per mg is about 3.8 ng per mg of test. his result would be about 5.2ng per mg of test injected.
my results are normally drawn 6 days from injection. i hope this helps and makes sense, this is the best information i can give you. this is a comparative analysis that does not calculate all of the small variables but it gives you an idea of what accurately dosed looks like.

thewaterboy
12-28-2016, 07:38 PM
Test cyp (sun pharmacy) prescription trt doses @200mg once every 7 days has me at 800-1100 consistently (obviously blood draws aren't always 7 days out from pin). Same sun script test 6 weeks in @500 had me at 2300 and change 3 days from last pin. Ive never even hit 2600 @ 500mg/wk with prescription or ugl. Guess I'm pinning it wrong...

Akilles702
12-28-2016, 07:38 PM
There is obviously no convincing you of your misinformation. But I'll try one more time and not respond again.

You yourself just admitted that your test was most likely over dosed. 5000 7 days after draw is around a gram of gear for the average user.

You made a linear comparison of TRT dosages of test in comparison to a superficial amount.

You did not take into account the individuals ability to metabolize the ester. This could GREATLY increase YOUR levels at draw. The OP is perfectly in range of what most ANYONE in any community would consider properly dosed.

And I would bet, you have never had more then 2 sets of labs pulled on a blast, either of them being on a prescription straight from the pharmacy. (on that note, they're is quite a bit of underdosed test coming right from CVS lately)

I've pulled over 50 lab panels on script, off script, on blast, off blast. I know how I personally metabolize test and I have had scores MULTIPLE times of 2100ish on Watson, Sun, compounding and there was one other I can't remember. Using the same injection protocol and hormone amounts.

Said my peace. You've had multiple members of the community who have nothing to do with this lab what so ever try and tell you why you are in fact incorrect. If you can't come to grips with that, you might do better going back to Meso.

I understand your point completely but these bloods are being pulled at 3 DAYS NOT 7. I pulled mine at 3 days. With this being said the half life of Test E is 4.5 days or so and once the half life occurs that's when levels will be around 2200-2800. So do you see where I'm coming from now? I know I didn't take in the factors of different people react differently but a majority should see scores much higher

Akilles702
12-28-2016, 07:41 PM
my bloods on 180 mg of my prescription test cyp come back around 700-800 every time. never above 800 and never below 700. if this test was in fact linear, and despite the fact no protocol was followed at all. we can only assume and take a mathematical approach despite all of the obvious variables.
my prescription is filled by the pharmacy and the brand it watson, ng per mg is about 3.8 ng per mg of test. his result would be about 5.2ng per mg of test injected.
my results are normally drawn 6 days from injection. i hope this helps and makes sense, this is the best information i can give you. this is a comparative analysis that does not calculate all of the small variables but it gives you an idea of what accurately dosed looks like.

I completely understand this also but what I'm saying is his bloods are taken at 3 days when levels are near their peak not at 6 or 7 when the half life has already occurred.

bc123jm
12-28-2016, 07:46 PM
i really hate all these testosterone lab tests. they can be so all over the place. it almost means nothing.
my t level is no where near 5k.. prob under 1k right now and I look like a mini king kong

thewaterboy
12-28-2016, 07:54 PM
i really hate all these testosterone lab tests. they can be so all over the place. it almost means nothing.
my t level is no where near 5k.. prob under 1k right now and I look like a mini king kong

You definitely look jacked...all the time!

Dispense Quick
12-28-2016, 07:55 PM
ok, with that being said. at 3 days his bloods are approximately 1.4ng per mg higher then mine are at day 6. that equates to 700ng difference over a 3 day period. that is pretty substantial and would be a great way to conclude that 2600ng is absolutely in range and sufficient. perfectly acceptable result in my humble opinion, judging by prescription results that i have received in the past. i think it is pretty similar across the board as well.
I completely understand this also but what I'm saying is his bloods are taken at 3 days when levels are near their peak not at 6 or 7 when the half life has already occurred.

Montego1
12-28-2016, 07:56 PM
I understand your point completely but these bloods are being pulled at 3 DAYS NOT 7. I pulled mine at 3 days. With this being said the half life of Test E is 4.5 days or so and once the half life occurs that's when levels will be around 2200-2800. So do you see where I'm coming from now? I know I didn't take in the factors of different people react differently but a majority should see scores much higher
God fucking damn it.

You are comparing his results to your single bloodwork...... Your ONE set of bloods(I'm guessing) that could be COMPLETELY overdosed.

2600 7 days after a 500mg injection would be passing you're right. Your PEAK on FIVE HUNDRED mg is going to be MUCH higher then a 250mg injection and in turn, take longer to level off.

Your peak on a 250mg Enanthate injection WILL NOT I say WILL FUCKING NOT elevate testosterone levels to 5k.

You have heard of peaks and valley's on cycle right? This is the exact reasoning behind it and why people say so not inject all your hormone in one pin.

Dispense Quick
12-28-2016, 07:58 PM
now now montego. dont get too worked up over this one. He is from Meso we have to try to help this man out some. everyone over there walks around at levels over 9,000.
God fucking damn it.

You are comparing his results to your single bloodwork...... Your ONE set of bloods(I'm guessing) that could be COMPLETELY overdosed.

2600 7 days after a 500mg injection would be passing you're right. Your PEAK on FIVE HUNDRED mg is going to be MUCH higher then a 250mg injection and in turn, take longer to level off.

Your peak on a 250mg Enanthate injection WILL NOT I say WILL FUCKING NOT elevate testosterone levels to 5k.

You have heard of peaks and valley's on cycle right? This is the exact reasoning behind it and why people say so not inject all your hormone in one pin.

bc123jm
12-28-2016, 07:59 PM
You definitely look jacked...all the time!

thanks. and i have tried that whole high test thing. ive done up to a gram a week.. now that put me at 5500.
but i only saw more sides, no more actual good looking muscle benefits. thats why i'm just not a fan of test.
i wish i was cause its cheap

Akilles702
12-28-2016, 08:02 PM
ok, with that being said. at 3 days his bloods are approximately 1.4ng per mg higher then mine are at day 6. that equates to 700ng difference over a 3 day period. that is pretty substantial and would be a great way to conclude that 2600ng is absolutely in range and sufficient. perfectly acceptable result in my humble opinion, judging by prescription results that i have received in the past. i think it is pretty similar across the board as well.

Did you factor in the half life of the Test? Cause that alone would make it twice as high as it original was

GarlicChicken
12-28-2016, 08:04 PM
i really hate all these testosterone lab tests. they can be so all over the place. it almost means nothing.
my t level is no where near 5k.. prob under 1k right now and I look like a mini king kong
No shit. I just read on another forum some people talking shit about DQ because the test was dosed exactly what the label says and not "overdosed by 10-20% like most UGLs." Swear to god, those words are almost verbatim. How ignorant can people really be? Fuckin really?

Akilles702
12-28-2016, 08:05 PM
God fucking damn it.

You are comparing his results to your single bloodwork...... Your ONE set of bloods(I'm guessing) that could be COMPLETELY overdosed.

2600 7 days after a 500mg injection would be passing you're right. Your PEAK on FIVE HUNDRED mg is going to be MUCH higher then a 250mg injection and in turn, take longer to level off.

Your peak on a 250mg Enanthate injection WILL NOT I say WILL FUCKING NOT elevate testosterone levels to 5k.

You have heard of peaks and valley's on cycle right? This is the exact reasoning behind it and why people say so not inject all your hormone in one pin.

But at 7 weeks the hormone in your system is already built up lol. It's not like it's 1 injection of 250mgs

bc123jm
12-28-2016, 08:06 PM
Did you factor in the half life of the Test? Cause that alone would make it twice as high as it original was

lets end this nonsense . throw up a pic and so will monty . lets see who actually looks like they know what they are doing . forget the science.
i want to see real world results

Akilles702
12-28-2016, 08:06 PM
thanks. and i have tried that whole high test thing. ive done up to a gram a week.. now that put me at 5500.
but i only saw more sides, no more actual good looking muscle benefits. thats why i'm just not a fan of test.
i wish i was cause its cheap

What are your preferred compounds BC?

bc123jm
12-28-2016, 08:12 PM
What are your preferred compounds BC?

i use what would be considered conest prep drugs year round
tren, npp , primo, mast , real trt dose of test .. lil drol when you need to fill out . gh,
dont get me wrong i use fairly high doses. just not of the test

Akilles702
12-28-2016, 08:20 PM
i use what would be considered conest prep drugs year round
tren, npp , primo, mast , real trt dose of test .. lil drol when you need to fill out . gh,
dont get me wrong i use fairly high doses. just not of the test

Sent you a pm BC

chocolatemalt
12-28-2016, 08:42 PM
Probably pinning with NPP or another compound and that shit is all test.

Damn I'm always forgetting that. Real common too.

And it would definitely explain someone else around here getting a high T reading even with the lc/ms/ms assay that shouldn't be thrown by the "deca" they're also pinning.

s2h
12-28-2016, 09:06 PM
Test Cyp and Test E reach supraphysiological levels 2-3 hours after IM injection....they both reach PEAK levels 8-14 hours post IM injection....by day 3 both esters of Testosterone based off a single IM injection begin to drop below peak levels......

to get a real marker of Testosterone injected IM... a free or bioavaliable Testosterone test is required for a accurate reading of unbound Testosterone in the body..this unbound Testosterone is what will reach satelite cells and bind to the Androgen receptor causing cell proliferation, hyperplasia and increase muscle hyprtrophy...

in English it means Total Testosterone lab markers are a poor indicator of what actual Testosterone your body has in a free form to get all swoll the fuck up!!!

Hellcat
12-28-2016, 09:45 PM
I think Akilles is full blown trolling at this point guys. Anyhow, I appreciate all the feedback. I have bumped up my aromasin to 12.5 daily and will pill labs again in 2 weeks to see if it helps my estrogen levels out at all (praying). I also forgot to add that I am taking HCG 500 per week split into 2 doses

s2h
12-28-2016, 10:25 PM
Hcg increases e2...keep that factor in mind...imho I would take 25mg of aromasin the day after test injecton days and 12.5mg on all other days..

Tmart
12-28-2016, 11:21 PM
Just read all this, calm down monte this guy is probably some fuckwit rep for a lab over there on meso pinning a g and saying it's 500 we all know what number range should be expected.

Skip Foursome
12-29-2016, 06:48 AM
This whole arguement is just stupid. Lots of the knowledgable guys have shared their insight as to what is real information and the one guy that talks out his ass has pretty much annoyed everyone else.

I have more than 16 lab reports with test levels to know what I am talking about. Honestly it means so little to me anymore I do not even look at total test as it is just a crude method of determining how effective a cycle is. Like s2h stated free and bioavailable test is much more critical as to effectiveness of a cycle than total test.

As to the argument if someone has 2,600ng/dl or 5,000ng/dl of test level in their blood who gives a shit. I mean really, is 2,600ng/dl really a disadvantage over 5,000ng/dl? Just based on my experience I have had test results come back at 5,000ng/dl when running a gram a week and honestly it's just a waste of gear compared to results when I run half a gram a week with blood levels at 2,600ng/dl.

I laugh when I think about the pro athletes (NFL, NBA, etc.) that are drug tested and have test levels <1,100ng/dl and are 10 times more developed than 95% of the guys here. Why? Those guys who do it naturally actually have great genetics and follow strict guidelines with diet and workout routines.

I hardly ever see anyone here discuss diet, if it is brought up in a post it is secondary to the drugs and they always break off the statement "diet is in check" as to totally dismiss the whole concept of diet having any importance.

I know this is a AAS forum and that is what it is all about with sponsors pushing their product but bottom line too much emphasis on how many ng/dl of total test and not enough emphasis on everything else you need to even make a cycle successful.

Cruefan89
12-29-2016, 07:21 AM
This whole arguement is just stupid. Lots of the knowledgable guys have shared their insight as to what is real information and the one guy that talks out his ass has pretty much annoyed everyone else.

I have more than 16 lab reports with test levels to know what I am talking about. Honestly it means so little to me anymore I do not even look at total test as it is just a crude method of determining how effective a cycle is. Like s2h stated free and bioavailable test is much more critical as to effectiveness of a cycle than total test.

As to the argument if someone has 2,600ng/dl or 5,000ng/dl of test level in their blood who gives a shit. I mean really, is 2,600ng/dl really a disadvantage over 5,000ng/dl? Just based on my experience I have had test results come back at 5,000ng/dl when running a gram a week and honestly it's just a waste of gear compared to results when I run half a gram a week with blood levels at 2,600ng/dl.

I laugh when I think about the pro athletes (NFL, NBA, etc.) that are drug tested and have test levels <1,100ng/dl and are 10 times more developed than 95% of the guys here. Why? Those guys who do it naturally actually have great genetics and follow strict guidelines with diet and workout routines.

I hardly ever see anyone here discuss diet, if it is brought up in a post it is secondary to the drugs and they always break off the statement "diet is in check" as to totally dismiss the whole concept of diet having any importance.

I know this is a AAS forum and that is what it is all about with sponsors pushing their product but bottom line too much emphasis on how many ng/dl of total test and not enough emphasis on everything else you need to even make a cycle successful.


Well put. True about NFL and NBA players. I think being black helps to. (Jimmy the Greek)!!!

jerseydevil
12-29-2016, 08:16 AM
I hardly ever see anyone here discuss diet, if it is brought up in a post it is secondary to the drugs and they always break off the statement "diet is in check" as to totally dismiss the whole concept of diet having any importance.

I always laugh when someone says in passing that their diet is "on point".

Montego1
12-29-2016, 10:48 AM
I always laugh when someone says in passing that their diet is "on point".
A very mushy soft flappy point usually 😂

s2h
12-29-2016, 10:11 PM
my cupcake diet is "on point"...i even take the wraps off them clockwise as it raises my total test by 123ng/dl due to the timimg of thewrap removal....who needs a diet let alone a "on point" diet when i can take 6500mg of Tren A and get so peeled my wraps on my cupcakes peel of on there own to .00005% body fat "on point"...

Tmart
12-29-2016, 11:25 PM
That's what I'm sayin, who needs a diet when you have tren :coffee:

BOGNERrocker
12-30-2016, 02:21 AM
Test Cyp and Test E reach supraphysiological levels 2-3 hours after IM injection....they both reach PEAK levels 8-14 hours post IM injection....by day 3 both esters of Testosterone based off a single IM injection begin to drop below peak levels......

to get a real marker of Testosterone injected IM... a free or bioavaliable Testosterone test is required for a accurate reading of unbound Testosterone in the body..this unbound Testosterone is what will reach satelite cells and bind to the Androgen receptor causing cell proliferation, hyperplasia and increase muscle hyprtrophy...

in English it means Total Testosterone lab markers are a poor indicator of what actual Testosterone your body has in a free form to get all swoll the fuck up!!!

Well SHIT what's the test called that will tell me my free testosterone level?


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gdawg
12-30-2016, 02:27 AM
Well SHIT what's the test called that will tell me my free testosterone level?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Free testosterone level . It's not in the Female hp . I got the full male Panel from labsmd. It's pricey but has pretty much everything.

BOGNERrocker
12-30-2016, 02:37 AM
Free testosterone level . It's not in the Female hp . I got the full male Panel from labsmd. It's pricey but has pretty much everything.

Oh ok shit I'll have to save up a little and try that one then


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gdawg
12-30-2016, 02:52 AM
Oh ok shit I'll have to save up a little and try that one then


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI looked again a didn't really see a "free test " test . I got the full male because it included lipids mainly but also t3/t4 . I bought a few hundred t4 before knowing if I needed it . HJ a couple other guys and now me recommends lipids on the reg .

BOGNERrocker
12-30-2016, 03:39 AM
That's cool, I've been doing bloods pretty consistently I don't see how some can just guesstimate everything and NOT know what's going on in the body FUCK that.

Which speaking of blood I need to donate prob this today after work or weekend.

gdawg
12-30-2016, 04:15 AM
That's cool, I've been doing bloods pretty consistently I don't see how some can just guesstimate everything and NOT know what's going on in the body FUCK that.

Which speaking of blood I need to donate prob this today after work or weekend.They can't and when you start blasting more And more not knowing or guesstimating will bite you in the ass.

chocolatemalt
12-30-2016, 12:20 PM
I looked again a didn't really see a "free test " test . I got the full male because it included lipids mainly but also t3/t4 . I bought a few hundred t4 before knowing if I needed it . HJ a couple other guys and now me recommends lipids on the reg .

They do have some standalone "free and total" and just "free" assays but they're a terrible value -- $77 and $73 or so. Nothing else included.

The full male panel is the best choice for sure:

http://www.labsmd.com/tests.php?view=search_results&show=2235&category=14&search=testosterone#2235

There's a cheaper panel at $120 with only the free T added to the female panel but again it's a horrible value so I won't even link it, lol.

JD70
02-23-2017, 06:11 PM
Test cyp (sun pharmacy) prescription trt doses @200mg once every 7 days has me at 800-1100 consistently (obviously blood draws aren't always 7 days out from pin). Same sun script test 6 weeks in @500 had me at 2300 and change 3 days from last pin. Ive never even hit 2600 @ 500mg/wk with prescription or ugl. Guess I'm pinning it wrong...
I take prescription cyp for trt 200mg (split 3.5 days apart 100/100) and 3 days from last pin has me at 1,000-1,100 regularly, so it looks like good results to me.

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REHH
02-26-2017, 06:11 AM
That's what I'm sayin, who needs a diet when you have tren :coffee:

Gram a week will fix up any diet and recommend for fat asses...

bc123jm
02-26-2017, 07:17 AM
Gram a week will fix up any diet and recommend for fat asses...

lol

JD70
02-26-2017, 12:54 PM
I take prescription cyp for trt 200mg (split 3.5 days apart 100/100) and 3 days from last pin has me at 1,000-1,100 regularly, so it looks like good results to me.

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Well I must eat my words based on these test results I received Saturday from my trt clinic. Don't know why the number is 1,000 more than I'm accustomed to (has been around 1,100 total, same dose and time). I take 200mg cyp split 3.5 days apart 100 sun night, 100 thurs morning. This blood work was done Thursday before my pin, 3.5 days from the last pin. 2193 total, 357.2 free, 42 estradiol (no AI). Been on this over a year.
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REHH
02-26-2017, 01:37 PM
Well I must eat my words based on these test results I received Saturday from my trt clinic. Don't know why the number is 1,000 more than I'm accustomed to (has been around 1,100 total, same dose and time). I take 200mg cyp split 3.5 days apart 100 sun night, 100 thurs morning. This blood work was done Thursday before my pin, 3.5 days from the last pin. 2193 total, 357.2 free, 42 estradiol (no AI). Been on this over a year.
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Weak bro.... I get over 5,000 on my TRT dose of 150mg/wk

Montego1
02-26-2017, 01:40 PM
Wow..... That's on 200mg a week?

Are you on anything else?

JD70
02-26-2017, 07:54 PM
Wow..... That's on 200mg a week?

Are you on anything else?
No that's it, just prescription cyp, nothing else. I'm going to see how I like 250mg sust though, in a couple months when I run out of cyp. It's gotten too expensive and I'd like to go back to doing it myself so I can experiment a little.

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BOGNERrocker
02-26-2017, 08:06 PM
You are wrong, his numbers are not low at all. They are right where they should be for running 500mg of Test per week

This ^^^ whoever is saying test level looks low for 500mg needs to shut it.

I know I pulled 1700ng on 500mg a week once with diff sponsor and that seemed a little on low end but to say his levels should be 5k + on that dose is total fucking bullshit.


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JD70
02-27-2017, 04:49 AM
I don't know where my last bloods came from at 2200 total from 200mg prescription cyp, I think I got an overdosed vial. Am happy normally with half that, and on 560 pw (along with tren and mast) pax 400 a little over a year ago I had 3200 total, which I think was right (and right in line with OP results)

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omgbossis34
02-27-2017, 05:42 AM
So with Test E you are getting 70mg per 100mg. So at 500mg you are only actually getting 350mg. So if you go off the 8-10x yes the levels are pretty close to what his blood work shows. My test is more than likely overdosed but at the same time I'm running around 500mg and he is only running around 350mg if that makes sense
Makes sense, your injecting more than 250mg (1ml) twice a week as your pinning in accordance with dose loss. So your lab test is a much higher dose than your comparing these results too.

IronRage
02-27-2017, 08:26 AM
Skip is right, this argument is stupid, we all learned about a month ago that you need at least 4500 ng/dl to build muscle, not 3700 not 2600, sorry op you're just spinning your wheels.....

chocolatemalt
02-27-2017, 10:50 AM
Well I must eat my words based on these test results I received Saturday from my trt clinic. Don't know why the number is 1,000 more than I'm accustomed to (has been around 1,100 total, same dose and time). I take 200mg cyp split 3.5 days apart 100 sun night, 100 thurs morning. This blood work was done Thursday before my pin, 3.5 days from the last pin. 2193 total, 357.2 free, 42 estradiol (no AI). Been on this over a year.


Fascinating... more grist for the mill. And more evidence that our bloodwork is a crude method at evaluating gear potency.

We've seen repeatedly that even pharm gear will produce some wild swings in results. I have trouble believing that the pharms are have gross Q/A problems leading to 50%-100% potency swings (UGLs have to deliberately brew hot to achieve that) since with all the critical meds they produce, they'd be killing people left and right with that kind of process. Compounding pharms have been more likely to have problems but it seems to wind up very high profile in the news when it happens.

Also, pip.

On the other hand, clinical studies using (typically) young healthy subjects with no history of gear use will show much tighter margins on T level results. I think this gets us right back to the scar tissue theory... those of us long term gear users and even TRT patients are simply more likely to wind up with sterile abscesses of smaller or larger size that either swallow up the gear forever, or get processed down the road at some random point when the body decides to metabolize the contents, or you bang your shoulder/ass/quad against something that ruptures the abscess, or especially heavy lifting causes the rupturing stress, or you get a deep tissue massage.

The abscess previously caused low T levels due to black-holing the gear, but if you are pinning as normal and then rupture one of them, you'll have a gear spike. That might explain anomalies like your own. If future bloodwork never again shows anything like "2000" at 200 mg/wk of gear, this is a reasonable theory.

JD70
02-27-2017, 11:56 AM
Fascinating... more grist for the mill. And more evidence that our bloodwork is a crude method at evaluating gear potency.

We've seen repeatedly that even pharm gear will produce some wild swings in results. I have trouble believing that the pharms are have gross Q/A problems leading to 50%-100% potency swings (UGLs have to deliberately brew hot to achieve that) since with all the critical meds they produce, they'd be killing people left and right with that kind of process. Compounding pharms have been more likely to have problems but it seems to wind up very high profile in the news when it happens.

Also, pip.

On the other hand, clinical studies using (typically) young healthy subjects with no history of gear use will show much tighter margins on T level results. I think this gets us right back to the scar tissue theory... those of us long term gear users and even TRT patients are simply more likely to wind up with sterile abscesses of smaller or larger size that either swallow up the gear forever, or get processed down the road at some random point when the body decides to metabolize the contents, or you bang your shoulder/ass/quad against something that ruptures the abscess, or especially heavy lifting causes the rupturing stress, or you get a deep tissue massage.

The abscess previously caused low T levels due to black-holing the gear, but if you are pinning as normal and then rupture one of them, you'll have a gear spike. That might explain anomalies like your own. If future bloodwork never again shows anything like "2000" at 200 mg/wk of gear, this is a reasonable theory.
That sounds good, I don't know what to make of it. Guess I'll get blood work one more time before switching to sust, in a couple months when this is gone. Everyone is different I guess, but I've gotten pretty muscular and vascular at this level, and without sides. I do want to add some mast e though for summer, and because I like more.

bc123jm
02-27-2017, 04:39 PM
Skip is right, this argument is stupid, we all learned about a month ago that you need at least 4500 ng/dl to build muscle, not 3700 not 2600, sorry op you're just spinning your wheels.....

shit no wonder i look like shit . my total test is lucky to push 1k total..

REHH
02-28-2017, 01:57 PM
shit no wonder i look like shit . my total test is lucky to push 1k total..

Exactly, everyone knows you don't grow till u get to 5k