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thewaterboy
07-27-2016, 11:38 PM
Thanks for any input that comes in.
So my wife was previously on the nuva ring, but had it taken out for personal reasons. She changed to nexolanon (spelling? But the arm implant). Previously on the ring, which she started using after our last child and a short stint on an oral birth control, she was able to keep bodyfat levels around 18%. She is an avid crossfitter and performed well and felt her best around this percentage (she has been lower). After she switched to the implant her physique and bodyfat has consistantly changed while diet and training have not. I dropped her calories by a couple hundred with no change. I got her all the way down to a 500 calorie deficit with no real change. I did this over the course of about 12 weeks. Has anyone had these issues? She still performs well, but she has become increasingly unhappy with her physique. While she still looks good in my book (last measurement hydrostatic has her at 24%), she is unhappy and I can most definitely relate to those feels. I can layy her stats out, diet, and training as well if asked. She eats clean and well though and never had issues until this implant. should she give it more time to stabilize? Should she pull it. Is there anything that can be done to combat it? Her ob doesn't seem bothered by it, but she's simply not happy about it. Again, thanks for any input.

Progress
07-27-2016, 11:50 PM
Some birth control can fuck women up. That is not uncommon.... sucks for you but, if you want her happy hormone wise and weight wise wear a condom. That or get your balls cut.

I need to write a book, some of you fuckers are clueless. I swear married men should know way more than me but they have no fucking clue.

thewaterboy
07-27-2016, 11:55 PM
Some birth control can fuck women up. That is not uncommon.... sucks for you but, if you want her happy hormone wise and weight wise wear a condom. That or get your balls cut.

I need to write a book, some of you fuckers are clueless. I swear married men should know way more than me but they have no fucking clue.

No doubt we're done with kids anyways (I think/hope). It's actually been discussed, as well as her getting an ablation

GearGoddess
07-28-2016, 02:15 PM
Thanks for any input that comes in.
So my wife was previously on the nuva ring, but had it taken out for personal reasons. She changed to nexolanon (spelling? But the arm implant). Previously on the ring, which she started using after our last child and a short stint on an oral birth control, she was able to keep bodyfat levels around 18%. She is an avid crossfitter and performed well and felt her best around this percentage (she has been lower). After she switched to the implant her physique and bodyfat has consistantly changed while diet and training have not. I dropped her calories by a couple hundred with no change. I got her all the way down to a 500 calorie deficit with no real change. I did this over the course of about 12 weeks. Has anyone had these issues? She still performs well, but she has become increasingly unhappy with her physique. While she still looks good in my book (last measurement hydrostatic has her at 24%), she is unhappy and I can most definitely relate to those feels. I can layy her stats out, diet, and training as well if asked. She eats clean and well though and never had issues until this implant. should she give it more time to stabilize? Should she pull it. Is there anything that can be done to combat it? Her ob doesn't seem bothered by it, but she's simply not happy about it. Again, thanks for any input.
If her body fat shot up from 18% to 24% in a short period of time then something is definitely off. If you cut her cals by 500, she may be still sneaking and not being honest... OR you need to work out her breakdown to ensure she is in a 500 Cal deficit for sure. Increase her cardio, re-evaluate her diet and give it another 12

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Mrsrobinson
07-28-2016, 04:14 PM
It sounds to me like your wife has had a pretty good handle on things up to this point, so you have to take into consideration, what has changed ?
A new type of Birth control can and does sometimes wreak havoc. I had a similar issue a few years back with the Mirena. Our MD's sometimes don't want to listen to the fact that some of us DO in fact know our own bodies pretty well. The only way she will know for certain is to have it removed. I had to HOUND my doctor about getting mine out, but went back to feeling normal again after I did. There are so many options for BC these days, if her GUT is telling her this thing is a problem, she might want to listen to it, just my $0.02 ;)

MiSh
07-28-2016, 04:30 PM
Some birth control can fuck women up. That is not uncommon.... sucks for you but, if you want her happy hormone wise and weight wise wear a condom. That or get your balls cut.

I need to write a book, some of you fuckers are clueless. I swear married men should know way more than me but they have no fucking clue.

Calm down Tiger

MiSh
07-28-2016, 04:38 PM
OP
I would give time
Maybe 6-8 wks and get bloods
If u have xtra cash , get ur own bloods
U can say research
Google will give u million opinions but find a forum or blog that will have similar
Effects on topic
Progress's right on
Gear Godess and Mrs R ( my love next lifetime ) got are right on for fems
Hope shellsfit can shine in
But extra bloods u pay for and little research will help
Then try 2or 3 diff Drs
And ask opinion

Sheriv
07-28-2016, 05:23 PM
I went off hormonal birth control about 7 years ago because it wreaked a different kind of havoc with every different method. I have scars on my cheeks from the acne one caused...shot up 30lbs in three months on another only to promptly drop it as soon as I came off it...tiny stretch marks next to my knees from crazy bad water retention on another...
I was diagnosed with severe ovarian cysts on yet another..

Hubs got snipped after our last baby.

thewaterboy
07-28-2016, 05:37 PM
Calm down Tiger

Eh it's all good, I get where he's coming from. Just never looked into it because I never had a need to. I needed some quick insight. Lazy...maybe, but I spent a long time researching before aas use and I figured looking into this would be the same. So it seemed logical to ask the ladies.

thewaterboy
07-28-2016, 05:44 PM
I wouldn't think she'd lie about sneaking stuff in. She's upfront and if she eats outside of her "norm" she still calcs it into her daily macros. So whole it may not be a "clean" meal it still fits into her intake requirements. She cooks crossfit classes and strength 5 days a week. So I'm not sure cardio would be an issue as she's easily hitting 20-30 minutes of hiit style training. I wouldn't say it's been quick either, just steady increases for 8 months despite deficits. The doctors won't even take it out fort another 4 months though. I guess it had to be in for a year. I'll assess her intake again, but she definitely never had problems until the switch.

thewaterboy
07-28-2016, 05:51 PM
I went off hormonal birth control about 7 years ago because it wreaked a different kind of havoc with every different method. I have scars on my cheeks from the acne one caused...shot up 30lbs in three months on another only to promptly drop it as soon as I came off it...tiny stretch marks next to my knees from crazy bad water retention on another...
I was diagnosed with severe ovarian cysts on yet another..

Hubs got snipped after our last baby.

This is what we've been discussing as of late. Either that, or her getting an ablation. For now though they won't consider removal for another 4 months. I just want her to start settirng some rest before then.

thewaterboy
07-28-2016, 05:55 PM
It sounds to me like your wife has had a pretty good handle on things up to this point, so you have to take into consideration, what has changed ?
A new type of Birth control can and does sometimes wreak havoc. I had a similar issue a few years back with the Mirena. Our MD's sometimes don't want to listen to the fact that some of us DO in fact know our own bodies pretty well. The only way she will know for certain is to have it removed. I had to HOUND my doctor about getting mine out, but went back to feeling normal again after I did. There are so many options for BC these days, if her GUT is telling her this thing is a problem, she might want to listen to it, just my $0.02 ;)

The birth control is the only thing we can think of that's changed. I will take mishs advise on personal blood work as well. Again because I have researched it what should I have ran for the bloods?

MiSh
07-28-2016, 06:06 PM
My apologies Sheriv
Haven't seen u post in a while
Much respect
Sorry to derail OP

Ms jerseydevil2
07-28-2016, 06:06 PM
No doubt we're done with kids anyways (I think/hope). It's actually been discussed, as well as her getting an ablation
I am definitely not an expert on the subject of birth control, BUT I can address the issue of Endometrial Ablation. I had this procedure done quite a few years back. While I don't think it was a means of birth control back then, my issue was fibroids. However, it was explained to me that it would most likely eliminate any chance of conception. But there was always a possibility it could still happen. Some puffiness and bloating and gas issues post op, but that all goes away in a short amount of time. Out patient procedure, very little pain, just mild discomfort for a few days. I saw a good article relative to this on webMD. I tried to copy and paste it but didn't work on my tablet. Anyhow, it looks like you've done a good amount of research regarding options. I'm sure the two of you will do what's best for you considering the goals and results you are looking for.

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thewaterboy
07-28-2016, 06:38 PM
I'm going to timeline this to clear up my original post which after proof reading, is very scattered.

Baby girl born, no bc for breastfeading (2 months). Lost weight, almost back to pre pregancy weight.

Stopped breastfeeding ran 6 weeks anavar @10mg/daily(not her first cycle). Stellar results.

Did one month on oral bc per ob then was put on the nuva ring. No issues maintaining weight.

Decided to switch to the implant because sex started becoming uncomfortable/painful (shifted ring, which I guess is common).

So far 8 months on the implant with steady increases in weight. Weight gain was fairly immediate. All dietary changes were given 12 weeks to see results. First deficit was 200-300 cals, 2nd defecit was 500. These deficits have us to current.

I wish I would have posted like this to begin with, but I was scatter-brained.

GearGoddess
07-28-2016, 06:46 PM
I'm going to timeline this to clear up my original post which after proof reading, is very scattered.

Baby girl born, no bc for breastfeading (2 months). Lost weight, almost back to pre pregancy weight.

Stopped breastfeeding ran 6 weeks anavar @10mg/daily(not her first cycle). Stellar results.

Did one month on oral bc per ob then was put on the nuva ring. No issues maintaining weight.

Decided to switch to the implant because sex started becoming uncomfortable/painful (shifted ring, which I guess is common).

So far 8 months on the implant with steady increases in weight. Weight gain was fairly immediate. All dietary changes were given 12 weeks to see results. First deficit was 200-300 cals, 2nd defecit was 500. These deficits have us to current.

I wish I would have posted like this to begin with, but I was scatter-brained.
This is kinda starting to paint a picture... where is her weight gain? What areas specifically... is she bloated, any other indications of changes... skin, hair, overall feeling?

And what does her diet look like. You said she's pretty much doing what she did pre baby... can you give more details?

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thewaterboy
07-28-2016, 07:21 PM
Crossfit 5 days a week consistent 3 days long metcon (20-30 hiit style) with some skills work thrown in. The other 2 days will be strength.. heavy sqaut, dl, push press, clean/jerk, snatch and will have a short wod thrown in (10 min hiit style). Shes been doing this since before pregancy with great results. Continued once cleared from post pregnancy with great results. Still continuing. Coaches haven't changed.

Her macros were originally set by her coach after pregancy. She was about 2400 cals (35p/40c/25f). She maintained weight here very well while in nuva. She was pretty lean (not contest lean, but lean). She wasn't weighing because she was happy with her body and she was quite on honestly toned. It was very similar pre pregnancy with physique and cals were similar (maybe a couple hundred cals higher pre).

Right now I have her at 1860 cals 186g carbs, 163p, 51f and she's consistent. Unless we go out together (once in a while) but she does plug it in the best she can and accounts for it, it also happens rarely because I also eat consistently and stick to meal plans). She's been at this deficit for 12 weeks.

Gains are being seen in her love handles (stomach to lower back) and lower stomach. Breasts are the same (or at least not visually noticeable to me or her. Hips, legs, butt...All seem to be unchanged as well. She is setting more acne them usual, but it's not bad and doesn't seem to be bothering her much. She has also noticed more oil on her face and in her hair.

thewaterboy
07-28-2016, 07:30 PM
She eats whole food. Carbs she sticks to quinoa, sweet potatoes, black rice (some times), and oatmeal (almond milk and banana with it), leafy greens, and broccoli, etc.

Fats are from meat, evoo, and predominately coconut oil(she likes mct's)

Protein would be steak (sometimes), chicken, turkey, ham (sometimes) and fish

She doesn't use many shakes, but if she does is carnivore beef isolate mixed with peanut butter.

She's carb heavy with protein in the morning

Leafy greens, fats, proteins through the day.

Then protein and heavy carbs pre (lower carb pre) and post workout.

thewaterboy
07-28-2016, 07:53 PM
Her weight and body fat is being monitored by her coach. She's cf2, she also has personal training certs, and a army master fitness cert. She test bf with calipers and also does the army method. We did the hrydro test because I had a voucher to use and it was very similar to the calipers. Her coach can't make sense of it either.

s2h
07-28-2016, 08:17 PM
Nexplanon is well known for giving females issues with controlling there weight...more so the the previous implant (i think it was Impalon spell??)...if a female wants to stay lean imo she should not use implants for BC....keep in mind BC is synthetic estrogen and progesterone usd to prevent Ovulation...so if she isnt "regular" with the implant there is a pretty good chance she is Ovulating at some point each month to some degree...which means more estrogen = weight gain...

thewaterboy
07-28-2016, 08:23 PM
Nexplanon is well known for giving females issues with controlling there weight...more so the the previous implant (i think it was Impalon spell??)...if a female wants to stay lean imo she should not use implants for BC....keep in mind BC is synthetic estrogen and progesterone usd to prevent Ovulation...so if she isnt "regular" with the implant there is a pretty good chance she is Ovulating at some point each month to some degree...which means more estrogen = weight gain...

Is there anything you can do to combat this? In the end she's going to have it removed because this is the only thing she knows that had changed. I support her with her thoughts about it. Unfortunately, her ob won't consider removal until it's been in for a full year.

s2h
07-28-2016, 09:10 PM
Is there anything you can do to combat this? In the end she's going to have it removed because this is the only thing she knows that had changed. I support her with her thoughts about it. Unfortunately, her ob won't consider removal until it's been in for a full year.

remove it...really that is the real fix.....but also dont starve her on 500 cals....imo keep her food intake around maintence but pull carbs out of all meals except meal #1 and before trainng .....this will allow for less water retention...if you drop her cals that far below maintence her body will use muscle for fuel and store fat...

thewaterboy
07-28-2016, 09:16 PM
Ok I'll start walking her calories up. Low carb as in 100-120g? If she low carbs would would it be worth while to shoot for a targeted keto?

thewaterboy
07-28-2016, 09:24 PM
I see a lot of info going both ways on this topic, but previously when running var she wasn't on bc. After bringing her calories up can she run var while the implant is still in?

s2h
07-28-2016, 09:57 PM
you could do very low carbs like 50-75g ed and then give her a refeed every 5 or 6 days to restore glycogen....

Mrsrobinson
07-28-2016, 09:58 PM
Just a thought, but maybe worth checking.....
I got the same story with my Mirena, had to be left in for a certain amount of time. It wasn't ACTUALLY that it had to be left in, it was because insurance wont pay to have it removed until its been in for a certain time, they aren't always clear on that. I paid for it out of pocket to have mine removed....was worth it :winkfinger: cant hurt to ask

thewaterboy
07-28-2016, 10:10 PM
I'll try her out on a cyclical keto then like you're suggesting, she should at the very least see some quick water weight drops which hopefully will improve moral.

Mrsrobinson I will definitely look into that. I'll threaten to check with other ob/gyn's. I don't know why they couldn't just state it's causing the patient adverse side affects and medically needs to be removed. I have steady hands and can feel it just below the surface, maybe I should just have her bring med supplies home and cut it out myself...jk...but I may consider lol.

GearGoddess
07-29-2016, 08:28 AM
Crossfit 5 days a week consistent 3 days long metcon (20-30 hiit style) with some skills work thrown in. The other 2 days will be strength.. heavy sqaut, dl, push press, clean/jerk, snatch and will have a short wod thrown in (10 min hiit style). Shes been doing this since before pregancy with great results. Continued once cleared from post pregnancy with great results. Still continuing. Coaches haven't changed.

Her macros were originally set by her coach after pregancy. She was about 2400 cals (35p/40c/25f). She maintained weight here very well while in nuva. She was pretty lean (not contest lean, but lean). She wasn't weighing because she was happy with her body and she was quite on honestly toned. It was very similar pre pregnancy with physique and cals were similar (maybe a couple hundred cals higher pre).

Right now I have her at 1860 cals 186g carbs, 163p, 51f and she's consistent. Unless we go out together (once in a while) but she does plug it in the best she can and accounts for it, it also happens rarely because I also eat consistently and stick to meal plans). She's been at this deficit for 12 weeks.

Gains are being seen in her love handles (stomach to lower back) and lower stomach. Breasts are the same (or at least not visually noticeable to me or her. Hips, legs, butt...All seem to be unchanged as well. She is setting more acne them usual, but it's not bad and doesn't seem to be bothering her much. She has also noticed more oil on her face and in her hair.
Sounds like she has it all in order and looks good but what I would suggest is lowering carbs. Keep them for early in the day. Great choices for sure. If she can't get the bc taken out yet, she almost needs to try and adjust her food if all else is in line and it appears that way. Our bodies do a total overhaul after a baby (plus every 7 or so years, I believe) so she may be due for some changes... how old is she? I don't think you shared that with us... I know women over 30 tend to need a huge adjustment.

Based on where she's added weight, it's the midsection area... a lot of that can be due to stress IMO... just simply the adjustment post baby and her hormones being all over the place and the bc implant overpowering her body wanting to balance. I personally don't have experience with that particular bc implant (only nuva, depo, etc) but seems like it's putting some stress on her body.

I think once she has it out, she will drop that weight quickly. But in the meantime, adjusting her carbs will help. Stick with oatmeal, sweet potato and green veggies - broccoli, green beans, etc... for her carbs. And see where she's at in a few weeks.

She eats whole food. Carbs she sticks to quinoa, sweet potatoes, black rice (some times), and oatmeal (almond milk and banana with it), leafy greens, and broccoli, etc.

Fats are from meat, evoo, and predominately coconut oil(she likes mct's)

Protein would be steak (sometimes), chicken, turkey, ham (sometimes) and fish

She doesn't use many shakes, but if she does is carnivore beef isolate mixed with peanut butter.

She's carb heavy with protein in the morning

Leafy greens, fats, proteins through the day.

Then protein and heavy carbs pre (lower carb pre) and post workout.

GearGoddess
07-29-2016, 08:35 AM
I see a lot of info going both ways on this topic, but previously when running var she wasn't on bc. After bringing her calories up can she run var while the implant is still in?
I'm almost wondering if it would be better for her to incorporate Nolvadex for a short period of time rather than var just yet. It will help her control her weight gain because of where she's at. I've only used it in prep but you have a wifey who is trying to combat that increased estrogen that's giving her grief. 4 weeks 20mg then taper down the last week so she doesn't have any rebounds.

When is she going to have her bloodwoork done? When was her last test?

thewaterboy
07-29-2016, 02:17 PM
I'm almost wondering if it would be better for her to incorporate Nolvadex for a short period of time rather than var just yet. It will help her control her weight gain because of where she's at. I've only used it in prep but you have a wifey who is trying to combat that increased estrogen that's giving her grief. 4 weeks 20mg then taper down the last week so she doesn't have any rebounds.

When is she going to have her bloodwoork done? When was her last test?

It was a couple months ago (6 months on per ob), he went over it with her and he want alarmed by anything. She didn't ask for a copy of it, but I'm sure we could acquire it. I'm not sure when three ob will schedule bloods work (I want to say the next one is annual though). However, I'm not opposed to getting her blood work done out of pocket either, I do it for myself all the time. Should I just be doing a standard female panel for her, or is there extra things she should be tested for?

thewaterboy
07-29-2016, 02:23 PM
Also, if I put her on nolva (which I have already) to combat estrogen the bc is controlling should we be using other means of contraception? Will the nolva counter the bc from doing what it's designed to do?

GearGoddess
07-29-2016, 05:21 PM
It was a couple months ago (6 months on per ob), he went over it with her and he want alarmed by anything. She didn't ask for a copy of it, but I'm sure we could acquire it. I'm not sure when three ob will schedule bloods work (I want to say the next one is annual though). However, I'm not opposed to getting her blood work done out of pocket either, I do it for myself all the time. Should I just be doing a standard female panel for her, or is there extra things she should be tested for?
I would definitely get her bloodwoork done.

Also, if I put her on nolva (which I have already) to combat estrogen the bc is controlling should we be using other means of contraception? Will the nolva counter the bc from doing what it's designed to do?
I don't believe so. I'm not familiar with this specific one. I'll have to look it up... I actually read a really good article on another board from doctors. .. I'll have to track it down as I remember it outlining different kinds of bc and weight issues/causes... and aas use while on bc.



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thewaterboy
07-29-2016, 05:46 PM
I would definitely get her bloodwoork done.

I don't believe so. I'm not familiar with this specific one. I'll have to look it up... I actually read a really good article on another board from doctors. .. I'll have to track it down as I remember it outlining different kinds of bc and weight issues/causes... and aas use while on bc.



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I'll talk to her tonight about blood work. I don't want to make to many changes at once because then I'm not sure which change caused benefit. I always choose drugs last, so I will put her into keto (at 22-2300 cal, close to original intake) first. Determine affects of diet change. Then if need be try a nolva treatment.

Question regarding nolva though. I know nolvas function is to block estrogen from binding to receptors. In my case breast tissue/nipples, but I'm assuming the function remains the same for her (never researched this for women, never needed to until now). It doesn't, however, control estrogen or inhibit it. If shes trying to control or inhibit estrogen though wouldn't nolva not be a good choice?

thewaterboy
07-29-2016, 05:59 PM
Or is the suggestion not to try and inhibit and control, but top do exactly that and prohibit binding rather than level

GearGoddess
07-29-2016, 06:09 PM
I'll talk to her tonight about blood work. I don't want to make to many changes at once because then I'm not sure which change caused benefit. I always choose drugs last, so I will put her into keto (at 22-2300 cal, close to original intake) first. Determine affects of diet change. Then if need be try a nolva treatment.

Question regarding nolva though. I know nolvas function is to block estrogen from binding to receptors. In my case breast tissue/nipples, but I'm assuming the function remains the same for her (never researched this for women, never needed to until now). It doesn't, however, control estrogen or inhibit it. If shes trying to control or inhibit estrogen though wouldn't nolva not be a good choice?

Yes definitely, diet first. Always. Then training adjustment if needed but I think she's good there. Then final resort is drugs.

As for Nolva in women. Well in her case it may work very well simply because it will control the excess that the bc gives her... which the weight gain may be that main indicator around those body parts. Women's weight gain in tummy, bum and/or thighs is related to excess estrogen. That's why I asked.

Typically women don't use AI as that only tackles the converted estrogen from testosterone so it's good if a female does prep and one of her compounds included such.

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thewaterboy
07-29-2016, 06:21 PM
Ok thank you, ill set everything up as laid out with regards to changes being made and in the mean time I will start researching female hormone uses and interactions for her so I have a clue if need be. Thank you for your time and input goddess

GearGoddess
07-29-2016, 06:37 PM
Ok thank you, ill set everything up as laid out with regards to changes being made and in the mean time I will start researching female hormone uses and interactions for her so I have a clue if need be. Thank you for your time and input goddess
Not a problem! Anytime. I hope you can get her fixed up with some bloodwoork and diet (carb) adjustments...

Keep us posted...

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thewaterboy
07-29-2016, 06:41 PM
I will most definitely keep updates coming. It may help somebody else later. It's odd because I rarely research female chemistry (minus her anavar). Just goes to prove research is relevant even if not needed at the time.

elgriff
06-04-2017, 04:43 AM
Some birth control can fuck women up. That is not uncommon.... sucks for you but, if you want her happy hormone wise and weight wise wear a condom. That or get your balls cut.

I need to write a book, some of you fuckers are clueless. I swear married men should know way more than me but they have no fucking clue.
LoL, straight ASS WHOLE. Help dont attack !

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