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Ironlife
10-06-2015, 05:06 PM
Hi there! I'm 21 years old and I have been in BBing scene for almost 3 years first year and a half was pointless training to cut bulk cut bulk cut honestly and right now I'm 181lbs 5'8 not too sure of bf% maybe 12-15% I know thats a far stretch but my main question is from your guys perspective should I cut or bulk? I didn't know how to eat or really train during my first year and a half honestly. I'm not plateud right now in strength or weight but I feel like my bodyfat is quite abit high. Here are some pictures for you, I started at 160lbs 18% bf to 110lbs 8% or so and up and down till now. So the last year and a half I've put on about 30lbs. And about my legs I've truely honestly trainer them every week for about 7-8 months, I always pussy footed it every 2-3 weeks but its an every week thing, hit hard.
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HughJassol
10-06-2015, 05:11 PM
Im waiting on my beef w broccoli

Ironlife
10-06-2015, 05:12 PM
Coming right up lmfao how spicy??

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SoCalJC
10-06-2015, 05:12 PM
lolz @ hugh!

I would keep eating and lifting heavy. Too young to start AAS.

Ironlife
10-06-2015, 05:13 PM
No need for cutting? And tbh I actually do own a restaurant... but yeah no need for AAS, just curious where I should go from here.

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SoCalJC
10-06-2015, 05:14 PM
Bulk up man. You have a good base to build upon.

HughJassol
10-06-2015, 05:16 PM
No need for cutting? And tbh I actually do own a restaurant... but yeah no need for AAS, just curious where I should go from here.

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See Im always right. Keep eating lots of clean protein and carbs dude. Lift heavy shit. I did that till my late 30s and made it to 260lbs natural. No need for AAS until there is one. You're in the prime building years.

irish1987
10-06-2015, 05:24 PM
See Im always right. Keep eating lots of clean protein and carbs dude. Lift heavy shit. I did that till my late 30s and made it to 260lbs natural. No need for AAS until there is one. You're in the prime building years.
Best advices right here.

You're on the right track man! Eat as much clean food as you can stand and lift heavy shit.

Eat, train, sleep, fuck bitches, repeat

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Ironlife
10-06-2015, 05:24 PM
Bulk up man. You have a good base to build upon.


See Im always right. Keep eating lots of clean protein and carbs dude. Lift heavy shit. I did that till my late 30s and made it to 260lbs natural. No need for AAS until there is one. You're in the prime building years.
Thanks for the input guys. I'll keep at it on this bulk then. And solid guess on the restaurant thing hahaha. So another quick question... 5'8 180, 200g protein/450g carbs/150g fat is about right for someone like me?

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Ironlife
10-06-2015, 05:25 PM
I dig it haha thank you!

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HughJassol
10-06-2015, 05:27 PM
3950 calories would be a good start.

Titan5011
10-06-2015, 05:39 PM
See Im always right. Keep eating lots of clean protein and carbs dude. Lift heavy shit. I did that till my late 30s and made it to 260lbs natural. No need for AAS until there is one. You're in the prime building years.
This guy is just trying to smash your dreams. He was shoving slin in his prostate when he turned 20. Don't let him lie to you.

HughJassol
10-06-2015, 05:41 PM
This guy is just trying to smash your dreams. He was shoving slin in his prostate when he turned 20. Don't let him lie to you.

I think that is the cawkston initiation...........

Titan5011
10-06-2015, 05:44 PM
I think that is the cawkston initiation...........

Actually I think that starts somewhere down the baking isle at Wal-mart. Just bring a needle.

TouaregV8
10-06-2015, 05:48 PM
Coming along nicely, bro. Middle back looks real good. Keep bulking.

Ironlife
10-06-2015, 05:53 PM
Thanks bro, I just started incorperating deadlifts into my regimine about 3 months ago. It was like 255 x1 now its 405 x2 and that was my main concern was the thickness but that and bent over rows definitely are a game changer..

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Ironlife
10-06-2015, 11:32 PM
What I'm not sure is, is cardio worth it? Will it help progress gains or maybe burn unnessecary calories? Tbh I havn't done cardio/cut at all since last December and maybe only done 3 HIIT sessions since.

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HughJassol
10-07-2015, 02:12 AM
I would keep it in moderation since you are bulking. A bunch will tell you to not do any but doing a little a week will keep your heart healthy.

crawfbigg
10-07-2015, 02:54 AM
I would maybe shift part of your macros more towards the protein some, but it all depends on how your body is responding too. I switch my macros around periodically. When my plan is getting stale, I change things up some, I usually start low carb, then build carbs until my body isn't processing carbs as efficiently, then restart. The body is great at adapting to environments, so you need to give it variations, just my .02.

Ironlife
10-07-2015, 07:47 AM
I would maybe shift part of your macros more towards the protein some, but it all depends on how your body is responding too. I switch my macros around periodically. When my plan is getting stale, I change things up some, I usually start low carb, then build carbs until my body isn't processing carbs as efficiently, then restart. The body is great at adapting to environments, so you need to give it variations, just my .02.
Great input bro... I know this is going to sound ridiculous but I'm STILL trying to figure out all that stuff, like I'm not even sure how my body reacts from certain dieting. Everytime I used to cut I lost too much muscle and would be exhausted, I know I like high carbs lolol but the whole body responding is what I need to figure out. I do eat high protein tho and carbs, maybe diets a little unclean but I can always clean it up.

I would keep it in moderation since you are bulking. A bunch will tell you to not do any but doing a little a week will keep your heart healthy.
I'll give that a go probably 20 minutes after each session that isn't leg day.

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Oldschool
10-07-2015, 09:00 AM
Dont let Roid see that bathroom shot with your pants down...

onebigpump
10-07-2015, 11:54 AM
Im waiting on my beef w broccoli
Haha I want my general chicken

Ironlife
10-07-2015, 11:59 AM
Thai not Chinese

And yaa i know we all look the same [emoji41]

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HughJassol
10-07-2015, 12:05 PM
Thai not Chinese

And yaa i know we all look the same [emoji41]

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same difference..............:coffee:

daktari
10-07-2015, 01:06 PM
Add more heavy squat sessions twice weekly, 6-10 reps increase the weight each week as you are able to , and add in 2 shakes daily to your diet using a good quality whey protein isolate(2 scoops usually 50-60 gm protein/300+ cal) and add in 3 eggs in each shake. The squats will stimulate more testosterone release than any other lift, and if you have a gf(or bf to be politically correct) have at it often with her as this too is a good stimulus for natural T release. You will make gainz like crazy no need to be hitting chemicals bro. Your bulk gainz will be lean muscle based on what genetics you seem to have.


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Ironlife
10-07-2015, 02:51 PM
Are you sure twice a week? Because my legs don't recover quickly plus I do deadlifts every week as well 2 days before leg day. Just on a 5 day training split. I was thinking bout maybe reverting to P/P/Lx2 a week but I feel likr my CNS will be burnt out very badly...

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daktari
10-07-2015, 03:33 PM
At 20 yr old your CNS is still very responsive, twice weekly squats will be essential, push the weights and reps , i.e. Your mindset should be train as tho you are on aas , your system will respond. Its only when your testes no longer respond to demand for more T in the body that men have problems gaining or maintaining for that matter


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Ironlife
10-07-2015, 07:34 PM
Do you think two PPL splits a week would be best for growth?

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daktari
10-07-2015, 07:59 PM
Personally I would do Sat+wed squat day, crush them, throw in leg extensions, leg presses aling w conventional squats and go big for medium reps , your appetite should increase subsequently bet you start growing/putting mass on but dont make the mistake thinking you will make the gainz that aas provide, that is not realistic


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Progress
10-07-2015, 08:01 PM
I like this new guy, has a good sense of humor.

daktari
10-07-2015, 08:07 PM
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Ironlife
10-07-2015, 08:10 PM
If you're talking bout me I've been on IMF for 3+ years. I sold abit before I lifted tbh lol 😒 but new to this board! :D

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Hellcat
10-07-2015, 09:03 PM
Keep bulking for the winter, worry about cutting next year IMO

Ironlife
10-07-2015, 09:10 PM
Well I'm going to Thailand for 3 weeks to re-up then hit the beaches but yeah I mean 3 weeks of looking soft won't kill me... I can bulk hard over there within that 3 weeks. I'd rather not lose the little amount of muscle I have right now over a cut.

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rside
10-29-2015, 04:30 PM
Just continue to build muscle and get stronger.Dont look at it as bulking.You have a base started,just build on it and if the lines get to blured then think about what you need to cut back on.

rside
10-29-2015, 04:31 PM
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Ive seen this pic before..that meth is no joke.

Augustine5I
10-29-2015, 05:53 PM
No need for cutting? And tbh I actually do own a restaurant... but yeah no need for AAS, just curious where I should go from here.

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Own a restaurant?? Bullshit. Your mom and dad own a restaurant and you are going to college full time for business management working part time doing deliveries.

You must think all us "round eye" motherfuckers are ignorant. You are like fucking 19 years old and you "own" a restaurant! Come on bro.

BTW ppl saying lay off the gear for now are correct. You need to put the time in and get a solid foundation. OR go the easy way and start gear now (sort of like sucking on mom and dads tit for the family business instead of making it on your own steam).

Regards

Ironlife
10-29-2015, 05:56 PM
What lol? I'm not even going to college. I just travel too much really and whats with the whole round eye comment lmfao racist for no reason.

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bc123jm
10-29-2015, 06:00 PM
here is the secret.. listen closely.
fist you get as lean and ripped as possible. you need to see what your skinny little ass really looks like at a true 5% bf.
then. you slowly and steadily increase food and drugs and blow the fuck up over 6 months. while staying 6-8 %
then you will see yourself actually looking like a real bodybuilder. not just some guy that goes to the gym

Augustine5I
10-29-2015, 06:02 PM
here is the secret.. listen closely.
fist you get as lean and ripped as possible. you need to see what your skinny little ass really looks like at a true 5% bf.
then. you slowly and steadily increase food and drugs and blow the fuck up over 6 months. while staying 6-8 %
then you will see yourself actually looking like a real bodybuilder. not just some guy that goes to the gym

^^^^^^This. He just gave you the keys to the kingdom.

Progress
10-29-2015, 06:03 PM
fist you get as lean and ripped as possible. you need to see what your skinny little ass really looks like at a true 5% bf.
then. you slowly and steadily increase food and drugs and blow the fuck up over 6 months. while staying 6-8 %
then you will see yourself actually looking like a real bodybuilder. not just some guy that goes to the gym

But why? This is ASF... nobody here does that haha It's all about PAF. Puffy As Fuck hahah

Augustine5I
10-29-2015, 06:06 PM
What lol? I'm not even going to college. I just travel too much really and whats with the whole round eye comment lmfao racist for no reason.

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So you are so fucking well off you "travel" around for a living?? IDK what is worse. I guess while you travel your workers run your business?? LOL...and you fucking gooks hate us round eyes. We know it. And you know it. Not to be trusted as we don't forget Pearl Harbor. Japan, Thailand, whatever land....

Stop trying to act all like a millennial. Your shit is so transparent.

Ironlife
10-29-2015, 06:14 PM
We don't have any workers for us lol... and ya ya ya, well off I guess but wasn't always like that. Did you get dumped recently or scammed or something ???????LMAO relax. You're trying to start shit with someone not even half your age if you're really 45, old man. Unless really you love me and have some kind of fetish for Asians then damn, I'm touched you're being a tsundere

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Ironlife
10-29-2015, 06:17 PM
Hey so I did bump up to 4k calories like you said but cleaned it up abit and changed training routine and damn... put on some solid weight. Guess 3.2k calories wasn't working for me.

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Joebad1
10-29-2015, 06:23 PM
looks like you took a few of those pics in a nail salon?

Augustine5I
10-29-2015, 06:24 PM
We don't have any workers for us lol... and ya ya ya, well off I guess but wasn't always like that. Did you get dumped recently or scammed or something ???????LMAO relax. You're trying to start shit with someone not even half your age if you're really 45, old man.

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While I have been scammed...I resent all this shit around me made in China.

You were born with a silver spoon in your fucking slanty eyed mouth. And I nailed the fact that "your" restaurant is really your mom/dads. I know what it takes to get the operating cost and start up money for a restaurant. And you didn't do it an 19 or 20 years of age.

Bottom line, I guess you hit a nerve with an admittance to having a restaurant when in actuality you do not.

And your stubborn disposition to forge ahead on the use of steroids when your body is producing adequate amounts of HGH and testosterone. But you want it NOW. You want it TODAY...instant gratification.

Ironlife
10-29-2015, 06:31 PM
What lol when did I ever say that, I said I was holding it off, never have I said "YEAH DUDE IMMA LOAD UP 75MG TREN EOD WITH 500MG TEST E EOW AND 6IUS OF GH IN A MONTH CAUSE I NEED TO BLOW UPPP QUIIICKKKKKK" chill. You sound like a super weenie ass hut jr member. You know my whole life ooo nooooooo anything but you calling me out noo plzzz. You have daddy issues huh. Anywho this thread was made for advice not some 45 year old who tried to buy green tops from china to find out his shit was bunk and to take it out on someone whos asian. Bye2you.

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bc123jm
10-29-2015, 06:33 PM
But why? This is ASF... nobody here does that haha It's all about PAF. Puffy As Fuck hahah

i got rid of that puffy look when i discovered Bill Phillips and muscle Media 2k... shows my old age.
i never understood why guys put so much effort into going to the gym, when its really all in the diet and drugs. genetics of course helps
but lets face it most of us aren't genetic freaks. i just dont see the point of all the work if you cant peel your shirt off at any given moment
and look like a Greek god lol... lean , hard muscle will always look better, but you already know that.

Augustine5I
10-29-2015, 06:41 PM
LOL. Dink

Daddy issues? Do you even know what that means??? Doesn't even apply you dumb monkey.

You should probably be on Tren and test with your weak asian genetics...ever wonder why there has NEVER been a gook in the top 10 of the Olympia or Arnold Classic?? PPPsssttt...because chinks are weak in the mind and body. Especially dinks from Thailand. Even your food sucks.

Ironlife
10-29-2015, 06:45 PM
Hey aug I got two inzer belts that just came in today pretty sweet huh

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Augustine5I
10-29-2015, 06:54 PM
Hey aug I got two inzer belts that just came in today pretty sweet huh

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Good for your weak spine.

LOL...just fucking with you bro. Have to have proper vetting here. You did fine.

Ironlife
10-30-2015, 09:50 AM
Hahaha i fucking figured. You got me so worked up I had to call you a super weenie ass hut jr member, fuck that was my last insult I had saved.

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Sotuff111
11-03-2015, 05:21 PM
My man you can clean bulk just do some research, there are some good articles on the board. My training partner is a BB and lean bulks all year. He has been training for 2 years or a little more and has a trainer/dietitian that is an ex-Pro, he went from 181lbs 18% to 217lbs 6% so it can be done buddy. Good luck and keep training hard.

rside
11-05-2015, 06:34 PM
What that guy said above...