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AAS and 20%+ body fat?

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Was wanting to know if anyone has had experience with AAS and being over weight?

I've read about higher estrogen conversion and high BP issues. I also understand stand that your diet and workout plan needs to be on point before starting a cycle. Just curious about anyone's first-hand experience. Thanks


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I'm not sure what you asking here? Your already aware that it's a bad idea for overweight people to do a cycle. So get your diet and training together and become healthy before taking gear. There is no justification for people in poor health to make more unhealthy decisions.
 
If you're looking for justification to start a cycle despite your current situation, you're probably not going to get it. Seems you already know the answer to your question.

Focus on getting back in the gym and a regular routine. Strengthen your body and mind and maybe in 6 months you'll be ready. That's assuming you're dedicated. Your body can make a lot of improvements naturally right now since it appears you haven't been working out.


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Maybe I was looking for justification, idk. Everything I've read online has said the same thing yall did. And that's my plan. Was just curios if anyone had experience with it. Good, bad or whatever.


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chapmane39 said:
Was wanting to know if anyone has had experience with AAS and being over weight?

I've read about higher estrogen conversion and high BP issues. I also understand stand that your diet and workout plan needs to be on point before starting a cycle. Just curious about anyone's first-hand experience. Thanks


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What are your stats? Age, how long have you been training.. What are your goals etc... As far as estrogen/BP issues I think this is going to be more dependent
on individual genetics etc than what your BF% is. There are some guys around here that are super lean and get gyno symptoms and BP issues from relatively low amounts of testosterone. So I don't think sides from gear are as closely tied to BF% as some might think. When I first started using testosterone I'm not sure I would say I was 20% plus BF but defiantly was not the 15% benchmark that gets tossed around quite often. However I also had 20 + years training experience before I started so I had alot of solid muscle mass before starting. I was also a pretty clean eater as well although I have learned a lot more about the right kind of clean eating.

I would say if you are new to training that you should defiantly hold off on AAS and learn how to train and eat better. As far as goals go.. If your primary reason for using AAS is to lose fat your defiantly starting off wrong. After starting TRT I did but on a significant amount of muscle and did go through "some" body re-compostion but the fat lose was not dramatic. I was really happy with the way I looked but it really didn't bring me closer my fat loss goals. Fat loss is all about diet and cardio. The gear will help you keep muscle while doing that(assuming you have muscle) but wont just melt fat.
 
I started my first cycle at 24% body fat and I was low-t.

Very difficult for me to lose weight when I was low-t. Once I started blasting and cruising losing fat was easy! My best so far is 15% body fat and that was last summer.

Now, to answer your question, is it okay to run test if you are over 20 body fat% Yes! Test is fantastic with a good diet and WO routine for losing fat!

Is it okay to run test if you are obese? Not sure and would venture to say you need to lose more weight before using test.
 
I would say use AAS at that percent for a serious 16 week cut & reverse diet. The first ten weeks would be progressive calorie restriction (100 less cals a day per week), and progressive cardio (5-10 more min LISS cardio per day per week), the last six being a period of gradual introduction of more calories (20-25 more cals per day each day) and elimination of any cardio. If you are ready for AAS you should be ready to put the work into dieting.
 
I've seen several guys here with bf way over 20% using gear...and I mean a shitload of gear. when they run a log everyone is nice and friendly "hey bro you got it,keep it going blabla" and now you bash this guy?
Skip's answer is what I think...
 
Who's bashing? Just because someone has a difference of opinion doesn't mean they're bashing. First the poster didn't indicate his actually body fat %. He indicated he was overweight and by the question appears a bit inexperienced on not just AAS but adopting a healthier lifestyle and consistent work out regimen. I could be wrong, but I'm just going from the impression I got reading the post.

Skip's response is based on his experience. My response is based on mine. TRT was also the impetus to my interest in AAS, but I already had a longstanding history of working out and was in generally good health, except for low T issues. If this guy hasn't been in a gym in the past 5 yrs, I don't think he should start blasting until getting back on a regular track.

Maybe the OP can give us more information about himself, so we can provide a more tailored response, but based on the info I see here and making a few assumptions, I would say wait...but that's just my opinion.
 
chapmane39 said:
Was wanting to know if anyone has had experience with AAS and being over weight?

I've read about higher estrogen conversion and high BP issues. I also understand stand that your diet and workout plan needs to be on point before starting a cycle. Just curious about anyone's first-hand experience. Thanks


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This is correct and why we use an AI. Nothing wrong with running an AI higher if your conversion is higher due to more body fat. And Daimonos is correct, lots of guys start a competition here as friggin bloated whales and turn into shredded freaks after 12 weeks. But make no mistake, you must accompany AAS with good diet and routine and a real commitment to make a difference. Diet is the key driver here, AAS only amplifies that effort.
 
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I started my first cycle at 24% body fat and I was low-t.

Very difficult for me to lose weight when I was low-t. Once I started blasting and cruising losing fat was easy! My best so far is 15% body fat and that was last summer.

Now, to answer your question, is it okay to run test if you are over 20 body fat% Yes! Test is fantastic with a good diet and WO routine for losing fat!

Is it okay to run test if you are obese? Not sure and would venture to say you need to lose more weight before using test.
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Best reply here:clapping: As long as you aren't 4 foot nothing and 500 pounds then why not. You are going to have a ton of people come in here and tell you "get in shape first" "lose the weight first" blah blah blah. Sometimes people have been working out for years or are in shape they just fall on hard times and let there bodies get away from them. Now it's a different story if you have never touched a weight before or never dieted and think gear will be the answer. Then your just plain uneducated and lazy. But as Skip says, there can be a ton of different reasons. I was definetly over 20% and hoped on cycle(definetly not my first) last year and dropped a ton of weight and inches. I was part of the example: hard times. I got pics floating around if you do a search. Another massive example is KOS. To see before and after pics of him are like night and day. Now if most people on here saw our before pics, I bet most people would have said don't cycle. In the end brother, the choice is truly yours!
 
I would say that the decision to start AAS is a personal one and not based on ones BF percent. Yes some sides can be worse with higher body fat percent but the important part is being able to recognizing the sides and stay ahead of them or accept them. I personally would want to have some years in the gym before starting aas but thats me. The most important thing to remember is- no matter if your gaining or losing, your diet is 80-90% of this. The rest just helps your food do what you want it to do.
 
Skinnyguy180 said:
I would say that the decision to start AAS is a personal one and not based on ones BF percent. Yes some sides can be worse with higher body fat percent but the important part is being able to recognizing the sides and stay ahead of them or accept them. I personally would want to have some years in the gym before starting aas but thats me. The most important thing to remember is- no matter if your gaining or losing, your diet is 80-90% of this. The rest just helps your food do what you want it to do.
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Being low-t sucked!

I was in the gym for 6 months with little to no results before I started AAS. I wished I had started AAS right off the bat-LOL!

But that's me :D
 
Ummm ok. I see that maybe I was very vague with my question. My bad. And I was gonna do a cycle regardless until I got on here and started reading.

History: I've been overweight most of my life. Yes, I was the fat kid that got picked on and bullied. Always have wanted to get in shape but never did bc getting high was easier. About 4 years ago I started working out like 5-6 days a week with my buddy that was in the army. And was a power lifter in high school. So I do know what I'm doing in the gym. That went on do 6 months then he started school and I was on my own. I kept pushing but I was more worried about losing weight that putting on mass. I'm 5' 11" and at that time I was about 215. Needless to say I fell off. I would have a few months of hard work and stop and have to start all over again when id get motivated....again.

So now I'm 32. 5' 11" and about 250. I do have some muscle and am getting bigger(more muscle) every day. My diet is pretty good right now and has been for the past few months. I'm working out 5-6 days a week. Every week since December. I have some test ordered. But I want to do this thing right which I was I started this thread. I like asking questions.

I plan on losing at least 15 more pounds before I cycle. Maybe more. Thanks for all the input.



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I will share a story here my sons friend went away to college he was a fat blob after not seeing him for 9 months he came back ripped with exploding abs. He denies using any gear but i know he did...so my advice to chap is get you diet right train hard before using roids get a full physical check bloods. Make sure bp is good have atleast 5 months of training before starting anything.
 
last years I've been struggling in the gym,every workout was a real fight against my body...but the longest time I've been away from the iron has been 2 only 2 months.
then I discovered my t was low (260 at 30yo) and this made me start using test...and the difference is pretty big.my waist is smaller,even if I put on 14 lbs...I look way better,but I'm still far from being in good shape.I can tell that test is not a miracle...it's a good help,yeah,but you still have to lift some shit and eat good stuff.
 
Btw. Never had blood work for testosterone or estrogen. Doc never said anything. Blood pressure has always been good. Last time was 120/80. Normal. I do plan on getting blood work before I start. My goals are to get stronger and more muscular. I want to see how badass I'll look. Getting pussy has nothing to do with it


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most men with high bf% and more so centered around the abdominal area is directly related to high estradiol(e2)...high e2 has pronounced effects on the hypothalamic pituitary gonadal axis when e2 binds to receptors in the hypothalamus....this in turn directly effects testosterone levels in a bad way...so opposite of most net folklore that using testosterone at a higher bf% is not good..its actually the opposite....you need testosterone...

e2 also stores and releases from fat stores in the ab area...so double not good...

i would caution that anyone who has high bf% or is obese get full labs, check up etc etc too ensure they have no health concerns or underying issues that may warrant not using exogenous testosterone...

its also not a majic potion...so do yourself a favor and get on a sound diet, cardio and training plan to maximixze your exogenous testosterone use...

so yes there is no mythical bf% for someone too beign using testosterone to regain normal to high normal ranges of testosterone....

fire away!!!!
 
side note: unless you have had a dexa scan or hydrostatic test for body fat....nobody knows what there bf% really is....i think most would be surprised there estimations are way off of what they think.....higheror lower....goes both ways..
 
I love this place. And thanks s2h. All this reading has made me want to get blood work. I do struggle with weight loss/muscle gain. But I also struggle with loving Dr. Pepper. Plus carbs pretty much put a halt to any weight loss I might be having from cardio or weight lifting.

Right now I'm trying to get my diet dialed in. Like that's my main worry right now. So we'll see what happens with time. And I do also have an AI coming with my test and already have the nolva here.


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chapmane39 said:
I love this place. And thanks s2h. All this reading has made me want to get blood work. I do struggle with weight loss/muscle gain. But I also struggle with loving Dr. Pepper. Plus carbs pretty much put a halt to any weight loss I might be having from cardio or weight lifting.

Right now I'm trying to get my diet dialed in. Like that's my main worry right now. So we'll see what happens with time. And I do also have an AI coming with my test and already have the nolva here.


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When I dropped soda I lost 15 lbs rather quickly. Not to say I don't have a soda once in a blue moon
 
chapmane39 said:
I love this place. And thanks s2h. All this reading has made me want to get blood work. I do struggle with weight loss/muscle gain. But I also struggle with loving Dr. Pepper. Plus carbs pretty much put a halt to any weight loss I might be having from cardio or weight lifting.

Right now I'm trying to get my diet dialed in. Like that's my main worry right now. So we'll see what happens with time. And I do also have an AI coming with my test and already have the nolva here.


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try loving Diet Dr Pepper...that would be a good start....if you dont you very well could be walking around with a little black case on your belt with a thing called humalog in it cause you have diabetes....
 
Haha. I've been doing better. Like way better. But you're right man. High fructose corn syrup will fuck you.


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i started my test only, at over 20% BF. I lost 32 pounds and 8% BF and went from a 40 inch waist to a 34. I used a 50/30/20 macro on a 500 calorie deficit, didnt miss a single training day, got blood work every 28 days. kept BP in check with baby asprin, and cialis daily dose. i never got high BP. i ate very clean, and trained hard and completely changed the way i look and feel. im not sure how much was the test and how much was diet, but my drive both in the gym and in the bedroom were at an all time high. I did have a good core to start though, i played football from the time i was 6 all through college, lifted consistently my whole life.....then i had kids. Anyway, I wouldnt recommend it until you have done your homework, have a definitive plan of action, and are 100% sure your ready to put in the work.

btw: i still eat healthy, and dont miss a training day....though my diet is not a strict as it was while on. i basically only ate grilled chicken, brown rice and broccoli for 20 weeks...now i might have some chicken chili, or an omelette with cheese or something like that. still watching my calories, macros not so much.


Skip Foursome said:
I started my first cycle at 24% body fat and I was low-t.

Very difficult for me to lose weight when I was low-t. Once I started blasting and cruising losing fat was easy! My best so far is 15% body fat and that was last summer.

Now, to answer your question, is it okay to run test if you are over 20 body fat% Yes! Test is fantastic with a good diet and WO routine for losing fat!

Is it okay to run test if you are obese? Not sure and would venture to say you need to lose more weight before using test.
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i started my test only, at over 20% BF. I lost 32 pounds and 8% BF and went from a 40 inch waist to a 34. I used a 50/30/20 macro on a 500 calorie deficit, didnt miss a single training day, got blood work every 28 days. kept BP in check with baby asprin, and cialis daily dose. i never got high BP. i ate very clean, and trained hard and completely changed the way i look and feel. im not sure how much was the test and how much was diet, but my drive both in the gym and in the bedroom were at an all time high. I did have a good core to start though, i played football from the time i was 6 all through college, lifted consistently my whole life.....then i had kids. Anyway, I wouldnt recommend it until you have done your homework, have a definitive plan of action, and are 100% sure your ready to put in the work.

btw: i still eat healthy, and dont miss a training day....though my diet is not a strict as it was while on. i basically only ate grilled chicken, brown rice and broccoli for 20 weeks...now i might have some chicken chili, or an omelette with cheese or something like that. still watching my calories, macros not so much.
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:clapping: Awesome job brother dropping all that weight
 
I started trt at about 29% BF and 270lbs. I've always been active in the gym but started really hitting it hard. I lost 9% and 20lbs in that year. The last few months I've been on a slight blast and have no Gyno, BP, or E2 problems and am currently at 20% BF roughly.
 
I trained and dieted for 20 years until I got down to 9.9% BF. Then I got the blessings
from some overweight guys on AAS that it was ok to start. Now I'm like 2% BF.
 
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i trained and dieted for 20 years until i got down to 9.9% bf. Then i got the blessings
from some overweight guys on aas that it was ok to start. Now i'm like 2% bf.
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