FML Nandrolone dick finally got me at week 10!!!

Mis-Fires 2 fucking nights in a row! Just spent the last half hour trying to explain to my wife about progesterone VS estrogen sides etc.. LOL

800mg test c 400mg NPP per week(also been running test P 100mg EOD for MOST of the cycle) stopped the test P about a week ago. Almost to week 10 of a twelve week cycle when I got hit with the limp dick! For AI I started with adex .5mg MWF but bumped it to EOD when labs came back with Estro at 66. I have IMR prami on hand.. I haven't noticed any other sides..no itchy nipples, bloating etc Was wondering..

Could anyone suggest a good ballpark dosing amount for the Prami?

I MIGHT be able to get my hands on some pharm grade caber locally, but if I do it will be expensive 12 tabs .5mg. Would this be enough? If so should I wait till after my cycle to take it. Just 3 more weeks left.

Any of you guys experience this with NPP? Ive read alot about Deca dick and know it can take a long time to clear. Has your experience been the same with NPP?

I know I'm "assuming" its related to the NPP and without blood work its impossible to know for sure. I have been taking pharm grade adex so I'm thinking my estro is OK, but I did just drop the test P about a week ago and now I have a wet noodle. Do you think it could be related somehow or just a coincidence?

Thanks!

My friend had good results with .5mg or .25 ml dosed at 2mg per ml.

LowT

Its too late now but I would use aromasin over adex personally. Just changing your test dose could have had an effect. I pinned an extra 50mg of NPP to use up a bottle and just that small change made my back break out suddenly.
No dick issues with NPP here though. .5mg caber should fix you right up though. Cant say on prami dose, never tried it. I have always been told start really small with prami.

there is some good info here on the prami, if you search pramipexole using the search tool. i know i read to start out at .05mg/day and work your way up slowly or it will make you feel like roadkill. i had a friend take 1mg his first dose and he was down for 2 days, said he felt like dogshit. the IMR prami works.

I do .25 most days went to .30 and it bothered my stomach a little. I woke up with morning wood. Take it at night an hour or so before bed so you can sleep through the sides. Also it's not as needed I take it daily with my evening supps . I'm running tren by the way so you get the dick problems as well. Superior and underground is who I have experience with on research Chems. Get some tadalafil it'll help you get it done.

I think this has to do more with crashing your estro rather than the NPP...only thing that changed was you added more Adex..and then you developed and issue....You weren't having any sides at that level (66) so I would say that's a really good level of E2 for you... Back off the adex for a week and see if you get back to normal before adding caber or prami..

Prami should start at 0.1 mg daily and SLOWLY raised up to a max of 0.5 mg daily but that ramp up should take many weeks.

Biggest mistake guys make is starting the Prami dose too high.

Jester said:

I think this has to do more with crashing your estro rather than the NPP...only thing that changed was you added more Adex..and then you developed and issue....You weren't having any sides at that level (66) so I would say that's a really good level of E2 for you... Back off the adex for a week and see if you get back to normal before adding caber or prami..

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I bumped up the adex around week 6 after my blood work. The issues started at week 10.

This isn't directed towards the op but maybe prami and caber should be considered to be taken from day one in a cycle that involves a 19nor steroid to avoid "Deca dick" or any other high prolactin side effect. You can't crash prolactin so if it's too low there aren't any negative sides.

I'd rather prevent any side effect with an AI or dopamine agonist then battle to get everything back to the way it's supposed to be.

I had sex 3 times yesterday. It was awesome.....

Smokey3 said:

I had sex 3 times yesterday. It was awesome.....

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I had sex once for around 75 min.

What is sex?

gdawg said:

Get some tadalafil it'll help you get it done.

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Well after the first mis-fire I reloaded with some pharm grade Levitra I have.. Didn't help. LMAO It's fucking nuts. I was
locked cocked and ready to rock.. Then my solider just gave up! lol

BOBCAT said:

This isn't directed towards the op but maybe prami and caber should be considered to be taken from day one in a cycle that involves a 19nor steroid to avoid "Deca dick" or any other high prolactin side effect. You can't crash prolactin so if it's too low there aren't any negative sides.

I'd rather prevent any side effect with an AI or dopamine agonist then battle to get everything back to the way it's supposed to be.

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Yeah I hear ya. I just decided to see how my body would react, but still have the Prami on hand.. If I was still early in my cycle I would just have bloods done again to see what exactly is going on. Shit for all I know it could be crashed estro. Maybe when I dropped the test P the adex dose I was taking was too high.. Maybe I'll back off on the adex a little. Like I said before besides this I haven't had any other sides..

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Well after the first mis-fire I reloaded with some pharm grade Levitra I have.. Didn't help. LMAO It's fucking nuts. I was
locked cocked and ready to rock.. Then my solider just gave up! lol

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Don't give up on the dick meds if just one doesn't work. Cialis works nicely for me but I'm a complete non-responder to Viagra -- tried many sources and doses. Go figure. Haven't tried Levitra yet...

Never had these issues with NPP or deca.

Cialis, viagra ect is going to do shit for nandrolone issues. Your misfire is a deca issue. Deal with the issue, you dont need ED meds.

I had the same issues with NPP about 3-4 weeks in. It hit like a rock and fell like spaghetti. I was on .5 MG Caber twice a week and my normal routine RE test and arimidex (no issues).

According to an article I found:
The increased prolactin levels from the use of a progestinic steroid contribute to HPTA shut down and testicular atrophy which can be treated with a combination HCG (a female hormone that acts like LH when introduced into the male body) and bromocriptine (a dopamine receptor agonist that, among other things, can lower prolactin levels.) (1)(11) Besides using bromcriptine to lower prolactin levels, the anti-estrogens fulvestrant or letrozole on be taken to down regulate the progesterone and estrogen receptor.

Cabergoline is a potent dopamine receptor agonist on D[SUB]2[/SUB] receptors. Studies show cabergoline has a direct inhibitory effect on pituitary lactotroph (prolactin) cells.[SUP] [/SUP]It is frequently used as a first-line agent in the management of prolactinomas due to higher affinity for D[SUB]2[/SUB] receptor sites, less severe side effects, and more convenient dosing schedule than the older bromocriptine.

I may have done a poor job of managing my E1, E2 and Prolactin but I just stopped. It took about three weeks before things started to return to normal.

Interesting that Tren E did not have near the effect as NPP or maybe I managed the prolactin better. I don't know but I am probably not going to try NPP again. I know MANY MANY people have very good luck with it and I have no doubt it was poor management by me.

For what its worth.

Good luck.

chocolatemalt said:

Don't give up on the dick meds if just one doesn't work. Cialis works nicely for me but I'm a complete non-responder to Viagra -- tried many sources and doses. Go figure. Haven't tried Levitra yet...

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I have used Levitra, cialis and Viagra in the past and have responded extremely well to all of them. But I think I'm just going to have to wait this one out. LOL

Put the prop back in the mix and see if that corrects it right away. Prop will bring you right back imo...


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^^^ This ^^^ the problem showed itself as you dropped the Prop ? I would run caber if available as well. Plus labs for sure, but prop right now I would think ? Good luck. Rider.