Is testing needed at all?

What does it really show that you got one bottle of test that was over dosed by a sponsor for testing? How many of you take into account the ester weights when coming up with what you think your test should be? Are you taking into account half lives, ester weights, starting levels, etc...Do any of you get blood work for tren, bold, deca, etc... of course not becasue you know if your in this longer than a week what the fuck gear should feel like and what it does.

ESTER WEIGHT
Milligrams below are the estimated amount of active hormone per 100mg of hormone and ester.

Boldenone base: 100mg
Boldenone acetate: 83mg
Boldenone Propionate: 80mg
Boldenone Cypionate: 69mg
Boldenone Undecylenate: 61mg

Clostebol Base: 100mg
Clostebol Acetate: 84mg
Clostebol Enanthate: 72mg

Drostanolone Base: 100mg
Drostanolone Propionate: 80mg
Drostanolone Enanthate: 71mg

Methenolone Base: 100mg
Methenolone Acetate: 82mg
Methenolone Enanthate: 71mg

Nandrolone Base: 100mg
Nandrolone Cypionate: 69mg
Nandrolone Phenylpropionate: 63mg
Nandrolone Decanoate: 62mg
Nandrolone Undecylenate: 60mg
Nandrolone Laurate: 56mg

Stenbolone Base: 100mg
Stenbolone Acetate: 84mg

Testosterone Base: 100mg
Testosterone Acetate: 83mg
Testosterone Propionate: 80mg
Testosterone Isocaproate: 72mg
Testosterone Enanthate: 70mg
Testosterone Cypionate: 69mg
Testosterone Phenylpropionate: 66mg
Testosterone Decanoate: 62mg
Testosterone Undecanoate: 61mg

Trenbolone Base: 100mg
Trenbolone Crystal 93mg
Trenbolone Acetate: 83mg
Trenbolone Enanthate: 68mg
Trenbolone Hexahydrobenzyl Carbonate: 65mg*
Trenbolone cyclohexylmethylcarbonate: 65mg*


Now take serum testing for GH...its a total waste that does nothing to tell you hwats in teh vial other than maybe some peptides maybe some gh a serum test is a waste of time and effort in my opinion. If you really want to know what is in your GH and how much pay to get a SDS-Page test done against HGH not some spiked peptides.

This will be fun.

Yes, we use studies that have already factored in esters and half lives when testing Testosterone. Starting T levels are irrelevant.

With GH its best to also include IGF-1 levels with the GH serum test as that's exactly what docs use to adjust GH doses. Can the GH and IGF-1 tests be fooled? Of course but its pretty expensive to combine IGF-1 and other peps in a vial.

Not sure how the starting point is irelavant in the test but ok, and the point I want to stress is all your testing is the cheapest of hormones and use them as if it's the be all end all? Does any one test tren, primo, well yes a good lab will with mass specs not human error sided tests.

Gh is is converted to IGF in the liver not sure why anyone would spike GH with IGF wich if it's real has to be shipped cold and costs 2k for 4 grams. But with page testing you know everything including purity, amount of GH, amount of contaminants, and what the GH is from a serum test will test high with fish GH a page test will fail it.

Not it looking to disclaim anything just start a conversation on best practices.

Just what kind of BW would one get for bold , tren or deca ? So after being in this for longer than a week one would not need any kind of testing because you could tell if it was what it is labeled and if it is dosed accurately ?. Interesting .

Not the point at all the point is your only testing one of a dozen hormones, do you do tren, deca, eq, mast, primo, dbol etc without testing? Of course you do, and how do you know your not pinning olive oil? Becasue one guy with a possiable loaded vial of cheap test got bloods that says the entire line is good.

Just trying to understand the be all end all mentality that seems to be going on here that one blood test by a newb or vet can discredit a entire line...yes after a week of pining 100mgs a day of tren you know your on and you can compair the quality to the others you have tried, there is no test for it, well there is lack of sleep, increase strenght, increase vacularity, increase aggresion, and daily gains but I guess if teh vial says 100mgs and its really 90 its bunk you should stop taking?

If a vendor, member or board really want's to know what they are pinning, whats really in the vial without the many complications of protocals and how individuals process compounds they should use mass spec testing and yes that can be done for ALL hormones and caps, and tabs. But that is JMO, I respect all of yours and just wanted a conversation on the best testing methods.

The only reason "one blood test" can cause such a ruckus in some UGL's forum is that 90% of the people here aren't getting bloodwork. The answer is more, not less.