A friend of mine used it, definitely had the tren effects I hear about. Almost flu like chills and cold sweats at night. One night in particular he was literally shivering in 80 degree house. So, its the real deal but He couldnt tolerate the EO carrier oil, he was breaking out in red rashes around injection site for days. It was tren ace 200. Definitely started seeing the effects of body recomp about the time he quit which was 2 weeks in