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Not doing deadlifts

nuttz51

nuttz51

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I'm considering quitting doing dead lifts.

All they seem to do is aggrevate an old lower back injury from a few years back and put me in extreme pain the next day.

I've always done them on back day usually 4-5 sets of 10 reps ranging anywhere from 315-350 lbs.

Someone convince me otherwise or agree with me that they are not super crucial for back growth.
 
I just did some dead lifts today after a long hiatus from them. If my back starts hurting again from them I will tell you that you should stop. :thinking:
 
Know this; dead's saved my life BUT if they were screwing with my workout from non-muscular pain I'd drop them.
After 2 shoulder surgeries I can't back squat anymore but found I can still hammer my pillars with front squats and other alternatives.
Sometimes, we just get to old, or to warn out to do one of the big three that made us big in the first place.
Just bow your head and say good bye to an old friend.
 
I only do super light deads. My lower back is fucked. I'm limited in other movements as well, no belt mind you. Maybe I should try one
 
Try sumo man.. Helps when my back is tight...

Eat. Lift. Sleep. Repeat.
 
I struggle w/ deads myself. Have a dead L4 and L5 disk and can't think about going over 250# w/o a belt. A belt lets me go up in weight but depending on how my back is treating me will determine how heavy I go. I do a lot of wide grip, supinated and neutral grip pullups to make up for it. I also bought a Rogue Trap Bar and that helps my back out w/ the deadlifts.
 
Used to work up to 600 for deads, haven't been doing them for close to a year now and my back has never been more defined or bigger to tell you the truth. They definitely added mass but would set me back throughout the week recovering so I focused more on chins, heavy rows and the.overall contraction with awesome results.
 
Hmm.

to all you power lifting fanny pack wearing weirdos who think I'm being a bitch I come from a power lifting back ground and used to compete Olympic style so was brought up believing that dead lift and squat are the most important lifts.

goals are different now and my back is fucked up from years of trauma in the army. It's very hard for me not to do them but the pain the day after is crippling.

i haven't tried a belt yet either. I always associate belts with weak cores so I stay away from them, maybe I'm wrong and they would actually help?
 
nuttz51 said:
Hmm.

to all you power lifting fanny pack wearing weirdos who think I'm being a bitch I come from a power lifting back ground and used to compete Olympic style so was brought up believing that dead lift and squat are the most important lifts.

goals are different now and my back is fucked up from years of trauma in the army. It's very hard for me not to do them but the pain the day after is crippling.

i haven't tried a belt yet either. I always associate belts with weak cores so I stay away from them, maybe I'm wrong and they would actually help?
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Fanny packs are for grandmas in a nursing home.

More likely you need to work on the following:
A) learning a proper hip hinge - if your movement pattern sucks then this will put undue strain on your back. Just because you're experienced doesn't mean you're form is right. There are guys at my gym that have lifted longer than me, have shitty movement patterns, so they don't lift much and hurt. Not attacking you personally nuttz, just saying a lot of people never learned to do things right.

If you can rack pull with no/less pain, this and/or mobility is most likely the issue.
B) learning to brace your core better. If this is the case, a belt will help.
C) quit doing reps after your form breaks down

If your back has been fubared from jumping out of planes or similar, look for a specialist for advice. Just thought I would throw that out there because of the army thing.
 
I have severe arthritis in my lower spine..you know ..from handing out ibuprofen..not from sprinting with patients in full battle rattle...

my form is actually perfect for deads and I never hurt it..that said if its a deads day I make sure my hamstrings are rolled out good first and make it my first lift in the gym
and I skip stiff leg deads if my hamstrings wont loosen up

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^^ true story..my l-spine is almost totally fused all on its own from arthritis
 
Hex bar deads man.... give them a try they will change the way you look at deads. Much more natural range of motion and kess compression on the lumbar spine.
 
Sheriv said:
I have severe arthritis in my lower spine..you know ..from handing out ibuprofen..not from sprinting with patients in full battle rattle...

my form is actually perfect for deads and I never hurt it..that said if its a deads day I make sure my hamstrings are rolled out good first and make it my first lift in the gym
and I skip stiff leg deads if my hamstrings wont loosen up

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^^ true story..my l-spine is almost totally fused all on its own from arthritis
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I've been told I have early onset arthritis in my lower spine as well.

Do you go to a specialist or anything regularly, or do anything particular to manage it? I've just started seeing a chiropractor

Pretty sure mine is from my big ass landing on the ground during shitty jumps. Last one out of the plane and somehow still managed to be one of the first to hit the ground. I'd be passing people on the way down thinking wtf, I'm gonna die. I quit trying to make good landings and just closed my eyes.
 
My lower back is jacked up as well from degenerative disks from a health condition. I try to do deadlifts but never do them every week and I either go very light if I go all the way to the floor or only do partials if i want to go heavy. You can still build thickness in the back with partial deadlifts without putting nearly as much strain on the lower back. Use a rack and do partials and concentrate on the motion and you'll still feel it in the thick parts of your back and in your traps without frying your lower back. If that doesn't help then honestly just don't do any deadlifts. Even though they work great you'll have more negative impact than positive if it causes pain which will affect your training in the long run and definitely your life outside of the gym.
nuttz51 said:
I'm considering quitting doing dead lifts.

All they seem to do is aggrevate an old lower back injury from a few years back and put me in extreme pain the next day.

I've always done them on back day usually 4-5 sets of 10 reps ranging anywhere from 315-350 lbs.

Someone convince me otherwise or agree with me that they are not super crucial for back growth.
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Get Shredded!
I would do them (deads) once a month. Your lower back takes longer to recover than any other body part. I really think that will help.
 
Simple your not competing anymore and there is many other exercise you can do to work around it. If it's a bad hurt.....stop doing it.
 
velociraptor44 said:
Hex bar deads man.... give them a try they will change the way you look at deads. Much more natural range of motion and kess compression on the lumbar spine.
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Here you go right here brother, I changed gyms about 5 months ago and forgot about these because the y doesn't have one. Hex bar is definitely a legitimate alternative and much more forgiving on joints and lower back. Going to suggest my y gets one today.
 
I feel like sumo deadlifts are a good alternative if your back is hurting. You start with your torso more upright, but when you finish the movement your body is still bearing all that weight. I need some shin sleeves when I do sumos though because the knurling will gouge the hell out of my shins.
 
RACK PULLS !!! As a tall BBer , used to be 6' 2'' , I just never felt totally comfortable doing deads . Dorian wrote about this that some of us because of frame or other issues are just not suited ideally to every exercise . Some people can't hit parallel in squats . Also as an older trainer , I am 59 , you are going to have limitations from the wear and tear of the years like it or not . You can be stubborn and refuse to accept it and go ahead and hurt yourself or you can adapt and move on . If you are a bber it is not weightlifting . That is the most common mentality that holds people back . Powerlifting , that's something else and I know that there are a lot of our PL brothers here and no offence to any of you . My brother in law was the East Coast PL champ in years past , super heavy weight class . He use to compete at 360lbs , a monster . But in BBing the exercise is just a means to an end , just as the weight it is not the goal in and of itserlf . If one exercise causes injury pain , there is a difference , you can always train the muscle from a different approach or exercise . If something causes you that kind of pain over time , dump it plain and simple . Now that does not rule out that maybe you're not doing it correctly or have a weak link muscle but if you've been working on it over time and still the pain then you have your answer .
 
I would say listen to your body nuttz, if it is hurting that bad after doing dead's cut them out of your routine. Your body is obviously trying to tell you something.
 
l69lou said:
RACK PULLS !!! As a tall BBer , used to be 6' 2'' , I just never felt totally comfortable doing deads . Dorian wrote about this that some of us because of frame or other issues are just not suited ideally to every exercise . Some people can't hit parallel in squats . Also as an older trainer , I am 59 , you are going to have limitations from the wear and tear of the years like it or not . You can be stubborn and refuse to accept it and go ahead and hurt yourself or you can adapt and move on . If you are a bber it is not weightlifting . That is the most common mentality that holds people back . Powerlifting , that's something else and I know that there are a lot of our PL brothers here and no offence to any of you . My brother in law was the East Coast PL champ in years past , super heavy weight class . He use to compete at 360lbs , a monster . But in BBing the exercise is just a means to an end , just as the weight it is not the goal in and of itserlf . If one exercise causes injury pain , there is a difference , you can always train the muscle from a different approach or exercise . If something causes you that kind of pain over time , dump it plain and simple . Now that does not rule out that maybe you're not doing it correctly or have a weak link muscle but if you've been working on it over time and still the pain then you have your answer .
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Always preferred regular deads over rack pulls, not sure why but im also a taller lifter.
 
I'm 23 and not supposed to be having these problems, but I'm also taller than most as well. 6'2.

Yesteday I did back and replaced deads with hyperextensions while holding a plate out in front of my face, got a good lower back pump but didn't get the sharp arthritic pain that I usually get.
 
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