Ok I have PCT and all that figured out along with nolva,clomid etc my question is: I'm about to run sust(12 weeks) with d Bol(6 weeks) and winstrol(6 weeks) I just don't know if I should run the d Bol in the first 6 weeks then winstrol or winstrol then d Bol. Preferably I would want to take winstrol first because I want that extra pump and less water weight for when I play sports (they finish end of summer ) then I would start the d Bol and I wouldn't care so much for that excess bulkiness and water weight. I've read on here many people in favor of both ways. I just want the most efficient use of the gear I'm using and I want to maximize my gains. If taking d Bol in the first 6 weeks would increase my overall gains I would be all for it. Thanks guys.