Metha-drol is some strong stuff. I personally saw more gains from this than with dbol. When I ran it I didn't know everything I should have (i.e. I didn't run it with any test, I ran it solo). Not the end of the world, but I think that adding 500mg test e/ week in would have been a good idea. I still gained a solid 15 lbs. from running it (albeit wet gains), and fortunately kept most of it post-cycle. If I were you I would start taking it right around the time of your first pin of test. Make sure you do a full and proper pct after running metha-drol. Enjoy, bro.