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Test/Tren: Is There A Definitive Ratio?

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So I read a lot about tren/test ratios and the opinions are all over the map.

One school of thought is that low test high tren has less sides.

Another reason guys run low test/high tren is so the receptors do not have test competing with tren which is five times more anabolic and androgenic than test.

Last but not least there are guys that run test high/tren low and swear by it.

So my question: Is there an optimal known ratio that is science based for test/tren ratio, or are we stuck with opinions and sometimes (unfortunately) broscience?
 
Opinions and bro science.

I ran tren ace at almost 800mg a week and test at 600mg. The night sweats and insomnia were horrible. Cut my test dose in half and the night sweats vanished, the trensomnia got better as well.

Currently running 300mg test E and 600mg Tren E. Feeling fine, no sides other than acne.


Warrior
 
Same for me.

I am currently running Tren Ace at 525 a week with Test (TPA) at 280 a week and no sides.
 
Sometimes it's not even the ratio, it's how much compounds you're running total. Consider 600mg test and 800mg tren, then consider 200mg test and 800mg tren. Massive difference in how much gear you're running.
 
Yeah I also don't even know why there is still even a debate going on whether tren should be higher or not. It's pretty obvious most people react better when test is kept at TRT (ish) doses and tren is ran higher. And like RAINier said, even if there is a ratio where tren is higher you gotta look at the total amount of gear that you're running.
 
Skip I just started my cruise but was running 400 Tren E & 300 Test E and bumped the Tren to 500 on week 9. I've had minimal problems, but had to increase caber dose with the bump. I'll run 250 Test C next time to remove the bit of sides I did have. I seriously can't wait to blast. TNT is all I'll ever run, nothing has been better for me.

Plus with AY gear (damn near pharma grade), less really is more!
 
The guideline of a 2:1 ratio holds true but it is a guideline; everyone reacts different. The question or running test higher though instead of tren is kind of a dead issue, people have had so many less sides with tren higher and test under 300mg a week that is the norm and what I push everyone to go for. Even that powerlifter guy did it and was much less of an asshole than we thought he would be... most of the time. J/k jackass, it's time to dead lift!
 
the guideline of a 2:1 ratio holds true but it is a guideline; everyone reacts different. The question or running test higher though instead of tren is kind of a dead issue, people have had so many less sides with tren higher and test under 300mg a week that is the norm and what i push everyone to go for. even that powerlifter guy did it and was much less of an asshole than we thought he would be... Most of the time. J/k jackass, it's time to dead lift!


:roflmao:
 
Try both and stick to what feels better. I'm on 1g of test and 375mg of tren and feel fine besides being hot and sweating at night.
 
Is it possible to build an appreciable amount of mass on that low of a test dose though? That is the question I'm struggling with. I decided on 250 mg Test E for my first run with tren because of all the reasons listed in this thread, but literally all of my friends who compete and carry a decent amount of mass run test super high (over a gram in most cases) with their tren until the very end of their preps. It's just weird to me that the guys with the best physiques run it one way, and then all the internet experts preach the opposite way.
 
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i'm running 700mg tren a with 350mg test a week and feeling fine. also on 400mg mast prop per week.

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I switched mine up a few weeks ago.
1 g test
800mg tren

Feel fucking invincible.

Elevated body temp and nightsweats are my only real sides.


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i feel like tren sides are over dramatized, same with prami. i tapered up to .5mg/day prami and take it with my AI every morning. aside from feeling warm and horny, i feel pretty normal.

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i feel like tren sides are over dramatized, same with prami. i tapered up to .5mg/day prami and take it with my AI every morning. aside from feeling warm and horny, i feel pretty normal.

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I agree. If you listen to your body and make adjustments as needed sides are easily managed.

I have yet to have any real sides with Tren, but Caber does make me horny as hell!
 
The guideline of a 2:1 ratio holds true but it is a guideline; everyone reacts different. The question or running test higher though instead of tren is kind of a dead issue, people have had so many less sides with tren higher and test under 300mg a week that is the norm and what I push everyone to go for. Even that powerlifter guy did it and was much less of an asshole than we thought he would be... most of the time. J/k jackass, it's time to dead lift!

LOL!!!!! That does it, THREE BARBELL Movements today for DE Bench :paddle:


Not funny! :nono:

LOL!
 
Did high tren 1g, lower test (note didn't say low) 700mg prop. Hated it, sides were brutal, zero sex drive. Switched it up this cycle did 1050mg prop and 700mg tren. Little sides if any, but sex drive is there.

as with anything, we all respond differently, once you find that sweet spot, then stick with it.
 
This is an interesting topic, I ran Tren at 400mg a week and test at 800mg a week and the sides were horrible, no sleep and crazy night sweats!! The best I could do was just lower the tren down to 250 aweek and that pretty much eliminated the sides. I will have to try it the other way around next cycle.

I was always under the impression of anything under 500mg a week of test is pretty much pointless. So If I run a cycle at 250mg a week of test, do you think my Sex drive will take off like normal and have that "Test Boost" in my life?? Just seems like a very small dose of test. imo
 
I am of the opinion that low Test / high Tren is the way to go. I want the Tren doing most of the work. It's a matter of personal preference though. Some people just use low Tren to keep the bloating down that comes from their Test and or DBol.
 
I was always under the impression of anything under 500mg a week of test is pretty much pointless. So If I run a cycle at 250mg a week of test, do you think my Sex drive will take off like normal and have that "Test Boost" in my life?? Just seems like a very small dose of test. imo

250mg of test is 2.5 times your average TRT dose and will put you above natural levels.

Tren is 5x more anabolic and Androgenic than test. It will pack on the size and strength. Test is only used for bodily function (keep your dick working).


Warrior
 
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250mg of test is 2.5 times your average TRT dose and will put you above natural levels.

Tren is 5x more anabolic and Androgenic than test. It will pack on the size and strength. Test is only used for bodily function (keep your dick working).


Warrior

^^This. My TRT dose is 100mgs EW Cyp. 250mgs of properly dosed gear is excessive. 500mgs is a legit cycle.

And what Warrior said is exactly why I run low Test / High Tren. Just enough Test to keep my wiener on swole.
 
gotchya im def gonna do this next cycle. love the results of the Tren!!! but the sides were krazy. hopefully 250mg is enough to keep it up and running :)
 
my stack has me functioning at a porn star level. god bless antibiotics.

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i think i need another round of treatment. lol

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This is an interesting topic, I ran Tren at 400mg a week and test at 800mg a week and the sides were horrible, no sleep and crazy night sweats!! The best I could do was just lower the tren down to 250 aweek and that pretty much eliminated the sides. I will have to try it the other way around next cycle.

I was always under the impression of anything under 500mg a week of test is pretty much pointless. So If I run a cycle at 250mg a week of test, do you think my Sex drive will take off like normal and have that "Test Boost" in my life?? Just seems like a very small dose of test. imo

250mg is DEFINITELY enough to feel a difference of libido compared to natural levels (or even a TRT dose.)
 
600 test, 300 tren and I feel fantastic.
 
250mg of test is 2.5 times your average TRT dose and will put you above natural levels.

Tren is 5x more anabolic and Androgenic than test. It will pack on the size and strength. Test is only used for bodily function (keep your dick working).


Warrior

X1000

I prefer a low Test of dose for EVERY cycle I run. Tren, NPP, Mast, etc all run higher than my test. Test is used for the sole purpose of keeping my dick working well.

Currently on:
Tren E 800mg
Test E 250mg
Mast E 600mg
 
I've tried both ways and I like 250-350 test with tren ace at 400-525.
I get let sides and it sure makes for a cheap blast lol.
 
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