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Shoulder pain...push through it or time off?

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I have a bad feeling that I already know what you're going to say but I'm going to ask anyway and hope that there is an alternative.

It's my right shoulder. It only hurts during certain movements, not all. When I raise my arm laterally past a certain point it burns.

When I'm doing dumbbell shoulder press and I press the weight up, it burns.

I can't do two armed cable curls (where you stand in the middle holding the cables with your arms stretched out like a cross) anymore because when I try to curl with my right arm, it burns really bad.

It seems to be getting a little worse of time.

Any thoughts?
 
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Here's a pic of the shoulder in question. I think it's relatively strong and shouldn't be hurting like it does.
 

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I have had shoulder pain for years in both shoulder since I dislocated both many, many years ago but I train thru the pain, but I would NOT advise you to what I do....

Take time off to heal properly and maybe get it checked out by your doc to make sure its not something more serious or can be more damaging if you keep training thru the pain
 
Slow it down. Stop movements that are causing connective tissue pain or severe irritation. Allow your body to heal brother. It has taken me almost a year to get rid of pain in my right shoulder. So just be patient, work around your injury, take anti inflammatories, and don't dwell on not being able to perform certain movements in the gym. Last spring I partially tore my biceps tendon probably because I ignored the pain. Which as an aside, got rid of the pain, but also my bicep lol.
 
I have what sounds like the exact same injury. It fucking hurts. It's been plaguing me for a year. I should probably be doing some therapy type movements and foam rolling, etc..but I just power through it. I am not a smart man.
 
Slow it down. Stop movements that are causing connective tissue pain or severe irritation. Allow your body to heal brother. It has taken me almost a year to get rid of pain in my right shoulder. So just be patient, work around your injury, take anti inflammatories, and don't dwell on not being able to perform certain movements in the gym. Last spring I partially tore my biceps tendon probably because I ignored the pain. Which as an aside, got rid of the pain, but also my bicep lol.

Did you just say you lost your bicep?
 
You need to get that looked at Maj.... back off on the weight and volume for now.
 
I really screwed up my shoulder last summer and backing off for a month really helped but who knows if my condition is anything like yours.

Lot of times my Osteopathic doctor can tell just by the movements and when the pain occurs what is wrong. Osteopathic Doctors are the best at diagnosing these conditions without resorting to MRIs or X-Rays.
 
You need to rest it, avoid movements that irritate it. Burning turns to tendonitis, and chronic tendonitis turns into partial and even full tears of the rotator cuff and labrum. I have had one rotator cuff surgery (full tear), took months to recover and about a year to return to normal lifting. Later my 'good' shoulder started bothering me too. I laid off and went to a good PT. He got me back to relatively painfree lifting.

Then I tore a pec muscle and it was nasty. The whole left side of my chest and arm where black and blue, but luckily it was only a stage 2 tear. I haven't benched in a few months and do very little direct shoulder work. I changed up my routine to use HS incline press, plenty of flyes and pec deck, push ups, and machine presses. I've started direct shoulder work again. The good news is I haven't been this pain free in years.

Rest your upper body, and get it checked out to see what damage there is. Focus on legs, back, and cardio. A good PT is worth their weight in gold. Check out Charlie Weingroff. He is in the NYC area, but he can probably recommend someone close to you. His email is charlie@charlieweingroff.com
 
My shoulder used to hurt I would go up against a wall with my whole back against it and raise my arms up and down during my rest it seemed to help and I stop doing presses for a while
 
You need to get that looked at Maj.... back off on the weight and volume for now.

You told me to pull up my socks yesterday.

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My shoulder used to hurt I would go up against a wall with my whole back against it and raise my arms up and down during my rest it seemed to help and I stop doing presses for a while

Yeah, even bench aggravates it.
 
I would strongly suggest going to see a knowledgable chiro, PT, or ART practitioner. I had a similar problem, long story short, I tried to muscle through it and just basically delayed its healing. On the positive side, when I did go through the proper channels and have my chiro check it out I learned a lot about the cause and solution. Most pain, whether its tendonitis or tears, etc doesn't stem from a problem directly in that area. It is something that has become a problem in that area because it reflects how other imbalances are impacting your bodies structure. Like someone injuring a knee because they have weak hamstrings or abductors. Mine was the result of a lot of tightness in the scapula and posterior delt region, coupled with some atrophy and/or improper firing of those muscles that contributed to my rotators assuming the burden on a lot of work they shouldn't have had to.
 
I would strongly suggest going to see a knowledgable chiro, PT, or ART practitioner. I had a similar problem, long story short, I tried to muscle through it and just basically delayed its healing. On the positive side, when I did go through the proper channels and have my chiro check it out I learned a lot about the cause and solution. Most pain, whether its tendonitis or tears, etc doesn't stem from a problem directly in that area. It is something that has become a problem in that area because it reflects how other imbalances are impacting your bodies structure. Like someone injuring a knee because they have weak hamstrings or abductors. Mine was the result of a lot of tightness in the scapula and posterior delt region, coupled with some atrophy and/or improper firing of those muscles that contributed to my rotators assuming the burden on a lot of work they shouldn't have had to.

Bingo! A.R.T. ftw!! I am getting my shoulder worked on tonight by my A.R.T. provider aka my wife!
 
Find an ART therapist and let them try and diagnose you. All a doctor is going to do is throw anti inflammatories at you and restrict even more blood flow from an area that gets little to begin with. There are so many possibilities of what you could have done. Without knowing exactly where, exactly what ect. I have multiple shoulder issues. All of them feel like broken or torn parts but they are referred pain from other areas. So find a sports PT/ART that is experienced with lifters and let them put you through some tests. If its not obvious then get an MRI. Xrays will show dick. its the only way to tell Wtf is actually going on. The shoulder is nothing to fuck with. As the guys already said...I know it sucks but until you get an answer...if it hurts....DONT DO IT. I highly suggest that from here on out once you are back 100% that you adhere to a lengthy rotator warm up program for any workout above the waist. Trust me bro. Been battling weak rotators for 5 years.

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I would strongly suggest going to see a knowledgable chiro, PT, or ART practitioner. I had a similar problem, long story short, I tried to muscle through it and just basically delayed its healing. On the positive side, when I did go through the proper channels and have my chiro check it out I learned a lot about the cause and solution. Most pain, whether its tendonitis or tears, etc doesn't stem from a problem directly in that area. It is something that has become a problem in that area because it reflects how other imbalances are impacting your bodies structure. Like someone injuring a knee because they have weak hamstrings or abductors. Mine was the result of a lot of tightness in the scapula and posterior delt region, coupled with some atrophy and/or improper firing of those muscles that contributed to my rotators assuming the burden on a lot of work they shouldn't have had to.

I didn't even see your post...WTF are you a mind reader??? lol
 
Lol no mind reader bro I just think we've had similar experiences!

And BTC is absolutely spot on with the regular docs being bullshit! Seriously bro if they can't write you a script for it or cut you they won't do anything. Last thing I'll say is that aside from the upper body warmup, I also had to learn the hard way to do a shoulder warmup before squat day otherwise mine gets all twisted up.
 
No matter what is wrong with it, some TB500 and Ipam will do it nothing but good.
 
I think I didn't push my boy Charlie hard enough..... I was referred to him from a guy who was once a prolific poster on IMF for years, who now works for Nike Research. Although I was not that far away we could not come up with a schedule so he referred me to a guy that follows many of the same concepts and he did a great job.....

But at any rate this is Charlie's bio.....

Charlie is a Doctor of Physical Therapy, a Certified Athletic Trainer, and a Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist. He was most recently the Director of Physical Performance and Resiliency and Lead Physical Therapist for the United States Marines Corps Special Operations Command in Camp Lejeune, NC. He is also Director of Clinical Education for the Vibraflex Whole-Body Vibration and Andante Medical, the makers of the SmartStep, mobile force plate. He graduated from Ursinus College with a degree in Exercise and Sports Science in 1996, and went on to earn an MSPT in 1999 and DPT in 2010 from the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey.

Prior to returning to his home state of New Jersey in the Fall of 2006 after 12 seasons of professional basketball, he was the Head Strength & Conditioning Coach and Assistant Athletic Trainer for the Philadelphia 76ers in the NBA. Among the highlights of his tenure in Philadelphia was being part of the medical staff that ranked 1st in the NBA in Player Missed Games in the 2005-06 season.

Through rehabbing patients, he subscribes to a movement-based approach popularized by the works of Dr. Vladimir Janda, Dr. Shirley Sahrmann, Dr. Stuart McGill, and Gray Cook. In training athletes and clients, he champions the principles of the Functional Movement Screen and sound, evidence-based training principles. Some of the methodologies Charlie is formally trained in include DNS, ART, Dry Needling, Graston, FMS/SFMA, and the RKC.


Aside from working with patients, athletes and clients, he is also under the bar himself. In 2007, he achieved AAPF Elite status in the 220 weight class with a total of 1915 pounds. His best powerlifting competition total is 800 squat, 510 bench press and 605 deadlift.


Currently Charlie is training and rehabbing clients of all types at Drive495 in Manhattan, NYC and Fit For Life in Marlboro, NJ. Charlie often teaches and speaks internationally and consults regularly with Nike, the Roddick-Lavalle Tennis Academy, Perform Better, and Equinox Fitness Clubs.
 
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I'm having the same problem! It started after I hurt it one day in the gym 4 months ago. I feel like it's permanent. I had surgery on the other shoulder from boxing and that one never bothers me!!
 
Hey BPC did the tb500/ipa combo really help that much? I've been using some BPC 157 for about 2 weeks with moderate results. But while it helps with the day to day pain it hasn't done a lot for my pressing ability (at least not anything more than 3+ months of ART did).
 
I ran BPC157 at 1.5mg ED for two months. I got ZERO results. My bro who actually has a tear in his tri tendon is using it at 1.5mg ED tells me it is absolutely helping him. (same supplier BTW). TB500 works, that is the truth. Ipam is like GH basically. Well, it does the same thing to a lesser degree. couple months into Ipam was the best my joints have ever felt.
 
Would you mind pm'ing me the supplier? Idk if it's against rules or not to post here. Thanks bro.
 
I think I didn't push my boy Charlie hard enough..... I was referred to him from a guy who was once a prolific poster on IMF for years, who now works for Nike Research. Although I was not that far away we could not come up with a schedule so he referred me to a guy that follows many of the same concepts and he did a great job.....

But at any rate this is Charlie's bio.....

Charlie is a Doctor of Physical Therapy, a Certified Athletic Trainer, and a Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist. He was most recently the Director of Physical Performance and Resiliency and Lead Physical Therapist for the United States Marines Corps Special Operations Command in Camp Lejeune, NC. He is also Director of Clinical Education for the Vibraflex Whole-Body Vibration and Andante Medical, the makers of the SmartStep, mobile force plate. He graduated from Ursinus College with a degree in Exercise and Sports Science in 1996, and went on to earn an MSPT in 1999 and DPT in 2010 from the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey.

Prior to returning to his home state of New Jersey in the Fall of 2006 after 12 seasons of professional basketball, he was the Head Strength & Conditioning Coach and Assistant Athletic Trainer for the Philadelphia 76ers in the NBA. Among the highlights of his tenure in Philadelphia was being part of the medical staff that ranked 1st in the NBA in Player Missed Games in the 2005-06 season.

Through rehabbing patients, he subscribes to a movement-based approach popularized by the works of Dr. Vladimir Janda, Dr. Shirley Sahrmann, Dr. Stuart McGill, and Gray Cook. In training athletes and clients, he champions the principles of the Functional Movement Screen and sound, evidence-based training principles. Some of the methodologies Charlie is formally trained in include DNS, ART, Dry Needling, Graston, FMS/SFMA, and the RKC.


Aside from working with patients, athletes and clients, he is also under the bar himself. In 2007, he achieved AAPF Elite status in the 220 weight class with a total of 1915 pounds. His best powerlifting competition total is 800 squat, 510 bench press and 605 deadlift.


Currently Charlie is training and rehabbing clients of all types at Drive495 in Manhattan, NYC and Fit For Life in Marlboro, NJ. Charlie often teaches and speaks internationally and consults regularly with Nike, the Roddick-Lavalle Tennis Academy, Perform Better, and Equinox Fitness Clubs.

This is pretty solid JD. Reps
 
Maj you put on some mass, lookin good brotha. (no homo)

I tweaked my left shoulder last year trying to bench press too heavy. The next day I really noticed it when I tried to do a rope curl and the front deltoid had a shit ton of pain. I immediately stopped my workout, packed up my shit, and left the gym after only a few mins. I took a few weeks off of lifting and it was all better. Ever since then, I warm up my shoulders by doing stretches and shoulder rolls / shrugs in the dry sauna. Heat really helps them get loosened up and I always start with a warm up set or two really really light. If I'm benching, I will literally warm up with just the bar. I know it looks gay, but I dont like to jump right into any weight without getting warmed up properly. Also helps me get ready mentally.

Hope you heal up quick dude.
 
Good stuff guys; thank you! I'm gonna take it easy / time off. I'm cruising anyway. Hopefully I don't turn into a fat depression case.
 
Maj, could you take another picture but mark an X where you are having the issue at? Also, is there any pain shooting down the arm? For now, the safest thing to do is rest that bad boy up and R.I.C.E it.
 
^^^ I know what you're thinking with the shooting pain bro. But I think he really needs to see an ART therapist. I have had two instances where I had shooting pain down my arm and would have bet my nut sack I had a tear and it turned out to be the teres major muscle the first time and the infraspinatus muscle the second time. Both were so severely yanked and knotted even a little pressure with ART sent shooting pain into my shoulder like a red hot screwdriver being driven into it and then down my arm. Thus the referred pain making me think it was a tear. But I do agree he should post a pic with a location and a better description of the issues.
 
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